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#1 Mar 09 2011 at 12:57 AM Rating: Default
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who is the best rdm solo player, in your opinion? avesta pioneered solo rdm, rog refined it, and so many others put their own twist on it. it doesn't matter if your nomination is based on originality, style, knowledge, practicality, or skill with a keyboard. go ahead and state your reasoning if you want to, but more importantly, cast your vote!
#2 Mar 09 2011 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Xenith RDM/BLU

(also wtf @ Rog refining it? He did what everyone else did in a bit better gear. Honestly dieing 4-5 times to a mob is not reinvention. He was good but I would hardly credit him with being on a similar level as Avesta was.)

Edited, Mar 9th 2011 8:22am by rdmcandie
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#3 Mar 09 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Default
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also wtf @ Rog refining it?
rog's rdm/sch zerg on zipacna (and his playstyle in general) redefined kite-nuke solo efficiency. for me at least.
#4 Mar 09 2011 at 8:58 PM Rating: Good
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isnt avesta on ps2/ps3 ? Doing any soloing on a console blows me away ....cause you are limited to the amount of things you can do at once and definately have to concentrate harder. PC i would say Xenith is **** good. So is this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSKy7_2bQaE

although i dont think he plays anymore.

Rog is definately good too...but I would give a side shout out to Kaeko who although didnt get to rdm till later in ff pioneers some insane strats for kiting (not rog) and nm soloing.


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#5 Mar 09 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Default
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xeniths melee seems slower than kite strategies... is it really worth gearing and meriting so specifically?
#6 Mar 09 2011 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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xeniths melee seems slower than kite strategies... is it really worth gearing and meriting so specifically?


Its no different then gearing or meriting specifically for nuking, and while they may be slower, they are not really any less effective. The most important fact when soloing is wining.
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#7 Mar 10 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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they may be slow but **** they are hair raisingly awesome!
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they may be slow but **** they are hair raisingly awesome!


Ya i like melee soloing so much more. Nuke solo's are so 2005. But I prefer /DNC to /BLU. Cuz im effing badass like that.
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#9 Mar 10 2011 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
I've personally never met a better soloist than Rog, he made me feel like crap about my ability, and I tend to win.
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#10 Mar 14 2011 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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You're basically asking people to decide something entirely subjectve when they have incomplete information. Most vocal on community sites does not equal best soloist, or anything else other than 'loves to hear themself speak.' I guarantee you there's dozens of soloists on every server that are as good, if not better, than the (loud) ones you know of from sites like this one.

In other words, next time just title your thread 'Let's pat our solo community's loudest members on the back' and be done with it, instead of aspiring to some loftier goal.
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#11 Mar 14 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of Rog, where is he? I haven't seen him post in awhile which seems weird I guess.

As for my pick, I stick with Avesta because he has the best skills of any RDM. He is a master tactician who plays on the PS2 which has to be very challenging in itself. All the copycats can't touch him.

I'll pick Xenith as a runner-up because I really enjoy watching a melee solo approach. It was because of Xenith that gave me the idea to try it for myself watching his solo videos like the scorp KS30 fight.
#12 Mar 14 2011 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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You're basically asking forcing people to decide something entirely subjectve when they have incomplete information.
fixed, lol (THE FORUMS ARE COMING!)
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Most vocal on community sites does not equal best soloist
i dont remember saying anything remotely similar to this.
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I guarantee you there's dozens of soloists on every server that are as good, if not better, than the (loud) ones you know of from sites like this one.
i made this thread to hear who those dozens are.

instead, some dingdong informs me "well you see... there are dozens".
#13 Mar 14 2011 at 10:46 PM Rating: Good
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There are two reasons to solo: need and bragging rights.

They're not mutually exclusive, but frankly, most anyone who records and publicly shares their exploits is leaning more toward the latter. Just posting about it is a lesser form of bragging, and sometimes it leads into the inevitable POIDH goading for proof.

On some level, the solos were all pretty much the same, bind/pin and DoT/nuke. Some would up it a notch and demand a phalanx of reraise items to just spam DoTs and repeatedly die. Others involved zoning a mob repeatedly, which could get it stolen from you or even MPK unsuspecting people.

I have two beefs with the braggarts. The first being that it's basically been a glowing neon sign against RDMs for the advancement of the job. Here are, 3 cap increases in, and quite possibly suffering because people got the impression RDM was "too strong" without considering other jobs could also solo, sometimes better in both speed and safety. You will very rarely see people ******** about a NIN/DNC, though (aside from maybe them killing a mob they were looking to). The second beef is the simple assumption that if they can do it, anyone else can. Gear varies. Connection quality varies. Platform use varies. There's some element of luck when it comes to resists and TP moves. In Rog's (Who got banned, Shadow) case, he admitted to using 12% movement speed hacks, and pinning itself is a debate against bug/exploit or working as intended.

Regardless of motivation, not everyone who solos posts here or documents it. Some blur the line and consider multi-boxing soloing. Some can only solo if they can pin. Some are averse to the idea in general. Lots goes on that we'll never see as we're never everywhere 24/7. And honestly, what some might consider a rough solo would be easy peasy for someone else for varying reasons. sh*t, as they say, is situational.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 12:49am by Seriha
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#14 Mar 15 2011 at 3:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would like to add fun to your list there Seriha. I'll admit that soloing Genbu sounded like a better idea than it was (From a fun-perspective), but aside from that I really enjoyed all the solos I did. Even those where I died the first few times.

I agree that the soloing some people have done have, since the cap raise, held RDM back. Right now it doesn't feel so fun in that sense, but at the same time seeing Avesta's videos was what first got me interested in RDM. I leveled RDM because I wanted to solo and I had a lot of fun with it, even starting with my RDM AF hat long before I was 75.

I guess there were people actually complaining about RDMs being "too strong", but quite honestly I can't say I've met a lot of those and most of those I did meet were not actually talking about RDMs solo ability.

On the topic of best soloer I would have to say that from all the soloers I've seen/heard of Avesta is probably the best coupled with (like someone mentioned) Kaeko even though he mostly used BLM. Reason being it feels like they were both on the frontlines of figuring things out and working out tactics for how to solo the more difficult NMs.
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I'd kinda lump fun in with need. If you're not having fun playing a game, why play?
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#16 Mar 15 2011 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I think soloing is only truly satisfying if it's challenging. In the case of NIN/dnc, people are suggesting it's not very difficult to do. I remember soloing quite a bit BEFORE /dnc even came into existence. Is it easier now? probably. BST is another job where some solos are **** hard and then you have others that are simply chuck mobs at the NM until it dies. BST is a very challenging solo job IF conditions are right which is why I brought it up. RDM is a very easy job to exploit using 3rd party cheats or kiting strategies using pinning or other methods.

I agree with the reasons why people solo. I also think RDM's solo more because the job never gets credit for doing anything. There is no glory to the job. You just didn't whip out your sword and do a 5k Gekko and save the day. Nobody give props to that RDM who saves the day by healing or sleeping a link or problem mob. We are usually unnoticed unless we are slacking on a specific duty and that's about the only time when people take notice of you. So it's no big surprise why so many RDM's are attracted to the soloing lifestyle.
#17 Mar 15 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with the reasons why people solo. I also think RDM's solo more because the job never gets credit for doing anything. There is no glory to the job. You just didn't whip out your sword and do a 5k Gekko and save the day. Nobody give props to that RDM who saves the day by healing or sleeping a link or problem mob. We are usually unnoticed unless we are slacking on a specific duty and that's about the only time when people take notice of you. So it's no big surprise why so many RDM's are attracted to the soloing lifestyle.


This on so many levels. RDM is imo the most thankless job in the game. No one ever commends you on your Slow being capped, or your Para being capped, no one ever thanks you for buffing the party with Dia, or Haste, or Refresh. Healers seldom get the credit they deserve. We are seldom wow'd at when we drop a nuke, or a WS (although sometimes some people are shocked when they see numbers we can put out because they think RDM sucks so bad at it). Really all RDM has to have a WOW factor is its soloing, WoE, and ease of capping in campaign.

It is a thankless and non-glory job. It doesn't surprise me when people just solo for fame, because you can heal/buff bot for ever without notice (unless a buff drops for a few seconds and you get spammed to reapply it yesterday).

*Just to explain WoE. With the way it works it really shows RDM's who play the job in a universal way how much they really contribute. Whenever I do WoE I am usually #1 unless there is a BLU or DNC present, who can do the same amount of "point" earning and make it a tight run for the top.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 11:24am by rdmcandie
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#18 Mar 15 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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There is no glory to the job. You just didn't whip out your sword and do a 5k Gekko and save the day. Nobody give props to that RDM who saves the day by healing or sleeping a link or problem mob.
That's because there's nothing glorious about a RDM casting spells or swinging swords.

When partying as RDM, the most glorious thing you can do is communicate your observations (which RDM makes a lot of, by nature).

Talk.
Keep the vibe up.
Send a smartass /tell to the BLM that just casted Sleep II on an already-slept mob.
Get excited!
Be engaged!
Make it contagious!

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#19 Mar 15 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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That's because there's nothing glorious about a RDM casting spells or swinging swords.

When partying as RDM, the most glorious thing you can do is communicate your observations (which RDM makes a lot of, by nature).

Talk.
Keep the vibe up.
Send a smartass /tell to the BLM that just casted Sleep II on an already-slept mob.
Get excited!
Be engaged!
Make it contagious!

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If there's anything your party needs out of you (as a RDM), it's attitude.


Exactly, there is no way to showboat unless you're soloing. I'm still conflicted about returning to RDM just because how often we are taken advantage of. That moron SAM who can't even manage his hate and keeps dying or becoming a HP sink earns more respect than the RDM who enfeebles and provides support. I remember this particular incident a long time(2004) ago when a LS mate(PLD) who felt that RDM shouldn't have any type of priority for W legs. I rejected his claims and fought hard to remain next on the list for them. He was basically claiming that all RDM would use it for was A) town gear and B) soloing, which wasn't helping the LS cause. I explained that even if I needed/wanted it just to keep up with his dumbass to refresh him on kited stuff, W. legs were indeed valid for a RDM to own. I wasn't about to touch the issue that I could kite better than him on his PLD. It was at that time it finally clicked in my head how others think of our class. We were "Refresh whores" and the job known to be "broken" for soloing certain NMs.

Now that I have returned to the game, I might just watch your videos Xenith and leave RDM retired for everything else. I don't need to explain my reasons as you guys already know.
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#21 Mar 15 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Default
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i made this thread to hear who those dozens are.

instead, some dingdong informs me "well you see... there are dozens".


And, as expected, all you've got so far are the usual Alla suspects + Kaeko and Avesta. Hardly revelatory. My point is that you're not going to find out who they are, because the majority don't need approval from these forums to do what they do, and as such remain essentially unknown to the community. And as for Avesta, Kaeko, Rog... the only accomplishments one can really attribute to them is a willingness to spend their time making videos, writing blogs, or bragging incessantly about their exploits, respectively. With a few exceptions (mostly concerning Kaeko's enmity testing, which isn't really related to the topic at hand), all they've done is broadcast to the masses the sort of things that are common knowledge amongst most soloers. If you want to commend them for that, then by all means go for it, but as is you're just overreaching.
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i made this thread to hear who those dozens are.

instead, some dingdong informs me "well you see... there are dozens".


And, as expected, all you've got so far are the usual Alla suspects + Kaeko and Avesta. Hardly revelatory. My point is that you're not going to find out who they are, because the majority don't need approval from these forums to do what they do, and as such remain essentially unknown to the community. And as for Avesta, Kaeko, Rog... the only accomplishments one can really attribute to them is a willingness to spend their time making videos, writing blogs, or bragging incessantly about their exploits, respectively. With a few exceptions (mostly concerning Kaeko's enmity testing, which isn't really related to the topic at hand), all they've done is broadcast to the masses the sort of things that are common knowledge amongst most soloers. If you want to commend them for that, then by all means go for it, but as is you're just overreaching.


Somebody jealous?
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..jealous of what, exactly? I prefer to spend my time online actually playing the game, as opposed to telling everyone how good I am at it on various forums; I was merely pointing out the futility of the OP's stated goal.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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..jealous of what, exactly? I prefer to spend my time online actually playing the game, as opposed to telling everyone how good I am at it on various forums; I was merely pointing out the futility of the OP's stated goal.


Yep you jealous. Its ok I am jealous of Rog and Xenith too. But Im not going to take away their respective feats because they posted about them in a gloating fashion or not. I think you should go back to tirelessly advocating what ever it was you advocated the last time you came to =2.
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Read harder; I'm not trying to diminish anyone's accomplishments. The only point I'm making here is that the few names brought up in this thread are but a small percentage of the players capable of soloing on their level, and most prefer to remain anonymous rather than spend their time grovelling for approval from the likes of you, therefore making the OP's question an exercise in futility.

As for me? When people /check me in town and see my completed sets of +2 armor, my full complement of Magian Staves, or my Kannagi, and refuse to believe me when I tell them I don't even have a LS, that all of my gear came from solo/duoing? The fact that 95% of players simply cannot believe it's possible is enough for me, thanks.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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Read harder; I'm not trying to diminish anyone's accomplishments. The only point I'm making here is that the few names brought up in this thread are but a small percentage of the players capable of soloing on their level, and most prefer to remain anonymous rather than spend their time grovelling for approval from the likes of you, therefore making the OP's question an exercise in futility.

As for me? When people /check me in town and see my completed sets of +2 armor, my full complement of Magian Staves, or my Kannagi, and refuse to believe me when I tell them I don't even have a LS, that all of my gear came from solo/duoing? The fact that 95% of players simply cannot believe it's possible is enough for me, thanks.


Meh im not going to argue with you over it. He asked a question and people gave their answers. The ones who remain anonymous about it won't factor into the discussion because well....they are anonymous. Considering that this is the Allkhazam FFXI board is it really all that surprising that its community members are the ones that are referenced. I don't understand why you think an Opinion Question is Futile. He didn't ask who was the best soloer, he asked who we think is the best in our opinion.

IMO it is Xenith because not many people do RDM/BLU melee solo's, and I would answer the same if this question was posed anywhere. It just so happens that Xenith is a member of this community. Not to take credit away from anyone else who solo's on RDM but the vast majority do it RDM/NIN or RDM/SCH and nuke, which has been done to death. (not that it is bad a win is a win.) But how you can claim an open opinion question is futile is beyond me.


In regards to your second half......who is being the braggart now?

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