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#1 Nov 07 2007 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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From reading the info put out by SE, I kinda got the impression that the "White Grimoire" only enhances self cast and party cast magic. The "Black Grimoire" would have positive effects on enemy target magics.

If this is the case then this job could effectively help all mage jobs. Including blu which is my current career.

I'm not sure why I feel the need to post this since there is only a few more days until we find out.
#2 Nov 07 2007 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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I'm kinda curious about this as well...My speculation is that /SCH affects white/black magic more then it does blue/nin/bard/summoner magic...But what really makes me kinda curious is what grimoire affects paralyze. It is officially white magic, but it is an offensive spell. Just something to think over...
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#3 Nov 07 2007 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been wondering about that as well. Would all enfeebling magic be boosted by Black Grimoire and all Enhancing by White Grimoire. It would make sense either way really. That's something I'll definitely test out when I start playing Scholar.
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#4 Nov 07 2007 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it may be a lot simpler than that, and I think the white grimoire might simply affect white magic, regardless of target cast, and the black grimoire will simply affect all black magic.

In fact I think SE alludes to this in their descriptions of scholar.
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#5 Nov 07 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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I think white Grimoire will effect all White magic, Ie, paralyze, slow, silence, phalanx, anything listed in the Ah as a white magic and the while Black magic list for Black Grimoire. Makes sense. Only main issue i read, that White Grimoire only enhances Healing, Divine and Enhancing, so based off that, it would not Increase the skill for Slow, para and silence. I gues we'll have to wil till the EXP to see how it really works.
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#6 Nov 07 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Actually the description of SCH specifically covered Paralyze, stating Black Grimoire would make it usable for the SCH vs high level targets (even with low native skill) due to the increased accuracy effect of Black Grimoire. Sounds like all Enfeebles fall under Black Grimoire, and yet Divine spells fall under White Grimoire.

So its not specifically offensive for black grimoire and self/party for white grimoire. Neither does it follow the spell scroll categories of white and black. Instead it seems like:

White: Divine, Enhancing, Healing
Black: Elemental, Enfeebling, Dark

Not so sure where Blue will fall. It'd seem that it'd have to be determined spell by spell. And it might not even be effected by Grimoires. There may be no effect on Ninjitsu or Songs as neither of those is really magic as they do not consume mp or cause Magic Aggro.
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#7 Nov 07 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Upon using “White Grimoire,” White Magic casting time is shortened, MP cost is lowered, and the player’s Healing/Divine/Enhancing magic skills are all raised. Also, there is a limit on what magic can be used while the White Grimoire is in effect. The Black Grimoire is the Black Magic version of this. As a penalty, the line of magic opposite to the Grimoire receives an increase in MP cost and lengthened casting times. While a Grimoire is active, a Scholar gains access to a number of unique abilities, such as magic which can alter the designated weather for a target party member and a powerful DoT spell. The weather magic allows a player to ignore the current weather for all intents and purposes. Moreover, it allows the use of equipment that has special latent effects under certain weather conditions.


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With healing, divine, and enhancing being buffed by White Grimoire, it just makes me think that the exact opposite will be the case for Black Grimoire. So i would think Black Grim will prolly boost elemental, dark, and enfeebling.


Also, since SE has set the Grims to work off of specific magic skill, i think your Slow and Para -type White magic will prolly be under Black Grim since they are definitely enfeebling spells. Conversely, i expect spells like the spikes to get a boost from White Grim since they are enhancing spells even though they are from the Black magic school.


To the OP, from what i've seen from my own use, BLU magic type spells do seem to get a boost from the respective schools that they fall under. For me though, other BLU chime in please, i still don't see a huge boost in spell performance when i try to boost those skills. Except for the healing spells, but then that's healing spells and i dont think resists(full or partial) happen to them much anyways.


So i think BLU magic-type spells will prolly get some boost from the grims imo, but we'll just have to wait and see what kind of a boost though.
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#8 Nov 07 2007 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm kinda curious about this as well...My speculation is that /SCH affects white/black magic more then it does blue/nin/bard/summoner magic...But what really makes me kinda curious is what grimoire affects paralyze. It is officially white magic, but it is an offensive spell. Just something to think over...


might work as a higher magic acc.
the toau ring boost spells that get resisted too:
your drain aspirs etc are not stronger by magic acc, but they hit for a decent amout more frequently
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#9 Nov 07 2007 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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When using White Grimoire, the recast time of white magic becomes short, and consumption of MP somewhat decreases. In addition, healing/divine/enhancing skill will be raised greatly, and certain white magic abilities will only be accessible during use of White Grimoire.


It seems wrong to me to have divine magic only get help from the White Grimoire when spells like Holy could alse be helped from magic accuracy and magic attack bonus that I assume the Black Grimoire will provide. Maybe the Grimoire boost the skill of the specific Grimoire attached but hurts all others. But the spell would still recieve the other effects the Grimoire provides.

If SE wanted only white mages to use the white glimore then they should make a Blue Grimoire the boost both physical blu spells and magic blu spells for blue mages to use - or a Summoner Glimoire(whatever color is inherently smn).

This is how I imagine the break down of Grimoires:

White Grimoire

Job ability that gives:
increase in Divine
Inherent increase in Enhancing
Inherent increase in Healing
Mp Conserve
Fast Cast

Black Grimoire

Job ability that gives:
increase in Dark
increase in Enfeebling
increase in Elemental
magic attack
magic accuracy

Blue Grimoire

Job ability that gives:
increase in blue magic skill
Compress AoE spell to single target
Self target spell becomes party AoE
increase monster correllation
increase magic potency
increase magic duration

"SMN" Glimoire

Job ability that gives:
increase SMN skill
MP Regen
Change local weather forecast w/ AoE
increase pet att/acc
pet/avatar regen
enemy taget recieves lower resistance to spells type
#10 Nov 07 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default
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FluEpidemic wrote:
[quote](whatever color is inherently smn).


That would be the "Astral" Grimoire, and yes I hope they add that and a Blue Grimoire. Makes sense if I'm reading SE's intentions right with /SCH.
#11 Nov 07 2007 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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I really dont think SE will make a job which is uterly dependent on another job!
or a job which is a job enhancer, just by a piece of equipment to get similar effects!
#12 Nov 08 2007 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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SMN, as far as colour is concerned, would be "Rainbow" or "Prismatic".
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#13 Nov 08 2007 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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I know it would be nice if there were grimoires that boosted Blue magic and Summoning magic, but I doubt there will be because when the grimoire was originally written they were both unknown.

Summoning was refined by Karaha-Baruha and he did that during the war, Blue Magic was "invented" by the alchemists in Aht Urgan and they took no part in the war, so neither would have been encountered by the people contributing to the grimoire until after the war, which leads me to believe that there will only be White/Black Grimoires.
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