Manifestation stinks ><Follow

Meh bindga or gravityga woudln't be so bad in some situations.

It would be nice though if they changed it to all enfeebles rather than just black magic ones.

Don't think that will work cause aspir is dark magic not enfeeble.

Probably because you have a B rank in enfeeb with very little gear and manifest itself doesn't add accuracy.

Other words, most of the Dynamsis mobs wouldn't get gravitied and just go for you.

I predicted this would happen btw.

Edited, Dec 4th 2007 5:49pm by taishokukanoki

Damn that's just win in the right situations.

Edit: I'm sick of the ratedowns to everyone who posts, anyone who's not an abject moron from now on is getting rate ups.

Edited, Dec 4th 2007 6:00pm by Yoruko

Primary reason Graviga may not always be a good idea is that Gravity has a somewhat random duration, similar to Paralyze and Silence. If you stick Gravity on a bunch of slept mobs, I would think it'd wear off of them at different times whereas Sleep duration is usually constant (with maybe a half resist here and there on 1-2 of the mobs), meaning that when the mobs wake up some of them may be running at you at full speed whereas the others are not. This can cause issues if you need to Sleepga them again, especially since you won't always be sure which mobs Gravity has worn off of until they are already at you and eating your face.

Don't think there's any way for sch to get sleep II.



Figured there was something like that, we should work to counteract it.

Paralyze and Gravity are both variable duration (Gravity is very random). Slow is constant duration (barring resists).

yep i agree, there is some low class, last place loser just spamming the SCH forum with rate downs.

i'd like to say its a 13 y/o, but at this point i think its a 40 y/o living in his mother basement playing ffxi..

talk about low class... there is one and ONLY one thing that President Bush said that i agree with, that is the world is a better place without Saddam. well, to that note, the world would be a better place w/o this SCH rating down troll.

are you aware you are the scum of this forum, this site, the internet, the WORLD?

if not, think about it. Really, step back and look at yourself. Start acknowledging you are the "worst thing ever"

now go away!

Uh, it feels really weird to be the one saying this considering I have dyslexia and all, but you guys might want to read the help text to a certain JA again since It clearly mentions affecting enfeebling and dark magic.

EDIT: eh never mind, I actually went and checked and the in-game version doesn't mention dark magic even though SE themselves mentioned it at the fanfest and interviews. wtf is up with that >_>;

It might simply be because the help text is simply already the max length, or something, I wonder what the JP version says.

Anyone got sch hight enough to be able to get any abs-spells from /drk? If they work its probably just an omission because of limitations in the scrolling help text, and come to think of it abs-MNDga on like 50 TWs would be pretty funny if it all stacked XD

Too bad abs-int isnt subbable and stunga would probably just be a novelty since it would take too long to cast when -gaed.

Edited, Dec 5th 2007 7:31pm by TheLostVikings

You could stack Alacrity with it, then it would be exactly as it usually is. However, now you're going /ja "Manifestation" /wait 1 /ja "Alacrity" /wait 1 /ma "Stun"

If a whole crowd of mobs is all casting on you at once, this may be useful >.>

the reason you thought drain and aspir were dark magic is because it rases dark magic skill when casted. why this works is beyond me.

ok yes, at lv 75 this may be helpful for dynamis runs and what not, but at lvl 40 and many months to come, its useless.

just like the weather spells it odd se gave this ability at such a low lvl when they really cannot be used until end game.

what concerns me is the people who think this is "normal" FFXI is over 5 years old ppl and there is not a single othe spell that even closely does this (not usefull for over 30 lvls later)

Edited, Dec 5th 2007 4:17pm by sideways

I thought the Puppetmaster forum has been more civil lately. Nateypoo is over here trolling and insulting everyone now.

Damn just my luck, the next job I chose which is "SCH" Nateypoo have to be in the same forum. Let's try to have decent conversations about the job and not act absurbly stupid and belligerent. There's No Need for people to say WTF This and WTF that, opinions can be articulated in a common sense matter. And Nateypoo take that name-calling Bullsh*t back to the pup forums, we dont want to read that type of inflamatory language here.

It's okay Fyn, I know you probably didn't read the whole thread anyway. You gotta knock out those +1 posts as fast as possible.

No sh*t; it's a great suggestion. It shouldn't take you years to figure this one out out, chief. Get with the @#%^ing program.



Hi Cljader!

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=1176979378241618738;num=31;page=1

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=117429816394071353;num=41;page=1

It looks like one of your dumbass ideas finally came to fruition. You'll actually be able to magic burst with PUP/SCH. {Congratulations!} Joking aside, you shouldn't ever play a mage job. GTFO of here.

Edited, Dec 5th 2007 10:42pm by Nateypoo

This is a very interesting discussion on Manifestation and its (alleged) suckage.

Edited, Dec 5th 2007 9:45pm by Lewkis

Hmm.. is it coincidence that people tend to go RDM > PUP > SCH? Why do we keep falling for the same trap over and over...

Oh that's rich. I wasn't aware Ms. 10 posts here was the new forum mommy. It's not my fault these cry baby bitches follow me everywhere and stalk my posts. I was attempting to wipe these dingleberries away, but they're relentless. Anyways, you should shove a tampon up yourself, because I'm usually a pretty active tester of things in-game. If you came here for information, you'll get it. You'll just have to deal with the garbage, because apparently I'm a celebrity here. To be honest, I'd like to know what 4chan has to do with manifestation. It's quite random and retarded to assume we get your reference. Do you often find yourself in awkward situations, where you make jokes and no one laughs?



I already have tons of rare/ex gear for SCH. Every piece I own that's not RDM exclusive can be used for this job. That's pretty much my incentive. I wasn't going to level a third job, because of the gear hassle. I absolutely dread the 15 minutes I spend in my mog house, every time I change jobs. I'm also 5/5 on the Goliard set, which is wearable by RDM, PUP, and SCH. The move to scholar makes a lot of sense for me. Truth be told, I would be happy playing any and all of the jobs, but this one was the easiest transition. This game doesn't cater very well to variety. The grind is too long, and the gear swapping is too annoying.

As for RDM to PUP. Sometimes you just get sick of the band wagoning tools, leveling up your job so people will <3<3<3 them in meritpo/endgame. I'm talking about the sh*tty players, who have no clue how to play the job, and can barely write a macro. They level up 8 jobs and somehow manage to suck at ALL of them, and also want gear for all of them. It starts to piss you off after a few years. It's not always PUP, but you'll notice a lot of hardcore, dedicated, one-job players tend to take up a non-bandwagon job as their second to 75. It's just a lot less stressful if you don't have to compete with greedy asshats over every drop. Well.. at least until SE slaps your job on Usukane and Hades +1. Then the cruelty begins anew.

I guess the thing I hadn't considered was that the same selfish, loot whoring, elitists would be the ones flaming the sh*t out of my second job. At the time, I just thought it would be fun to level. Everyone seemed kinda excited to party with me at first. A month or so later, they wouldn't be caught dead in my party. Needless to say, I'm not real thrilled that scholar already has a negative stigma, not even a week after launch. It feels like no matter what I do in game, someone is up my ass on a power struggle.

The theme of superiority is even more prevalent outside of MMOs. In RPGs people use trainers to hack their characters with the best items and stats. A lot of people do this in single player games, without even attempting to play legitimately. In FPS games, people use aim bots and wall hacks to nurture their disgusting need for dominance. As amusing as it is the first time, you'd think it would have gotten old after a decade or so. You seriously can't join a server for ANY game without someone saying "LOLZ LOOK IM CHEETING". These aren't really games anymore. They've evolved into something petty and pathetic. It seems I get enjoyment out of advancing my character, whereas the people next to me get enjoyment if their character is better than mine. Unfortunately "better" does not mean a skilled player. It simply means a trophy case lined with items to feed ego gluttony. Achieve the goal, any way possible. Use hacks, use bots, buy gil, buy characters -- anything to look cooler. This is the primary source of ignorance. I'm sick of people taking items they don't need and I'm sick of people bashing things to make themselves feel better (or bashing their own things because they feel inferior). I played PUP in hopes to avoid conflict with sh*tty people, and ended up throwing myself into the fire.

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 12:23pm by Nateypoo

Read it all, and I find it funny ironic that the only one constantly harping about +1 posts seems to be you.



It isn't "great". Like I said, still prone to issues, and that is why it is not as popular as you'd like.

You aren't the hot sh*t you make yourself out to be, sorry. XD



I'll take out the "funny" comment I said above. This was the real funny part.

Holy sh*t Fyn. You knocked that post out before I was even done editing. Christ, did you even read it? That's @#%^ed up. lol You obviously had nothing to contribute, even from the beginning.

GOOD JOB WITH THE +3! KEEP EM COMIN!


Yes, I am; and no, they don't. Sorry. All three of the other abilities work with the helixes though.

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 12:32pm by Nateypoo

Damn I guess I was being to wishful

Question natey is the helix's on the same tic timer as bio or pioson or deos it tic slower?

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 9:36am by Cljader

Whatever the case may be, lets just talk about the job

Yup, and I think I summarized it quite well, too.

That superiority sh*t in online games has been around since forever, you even exhibit it yourself, so you don't really have any place to complain about it. I found it hilarious that you apparently love to dish it out whenever it strikes your fancy, but you apparently can't handle having it dished out to you without having an /emo moment.

Now stop being jealous of my post count; it's quite flattering really, but you don't have to mention it in every single one of your own +1 post counts. That's just borderline obsessive.

LMAO

Natypoo.... god what a gay name.... I love to witness hipocracy at its finest. You make a long post about hating elitism, yet anyone who even SUGGESTS you are wrong you have a bitch fit over. You start off all your responses/flames (all your responses are flames, I don't think it's possible for you to have a rational discussion w/o insults) with calling people whiners, yet the aformentioned post shows that YOU in fact are the whiner. You threw up all over the only other thread I've read in this forum so far, and it looks like the gag fest has continued into this one. Most of these people you attack aren't even assaulting you, and would probably be perfectly fine with you disagreeing with them, yet you take their non-confrontational discussion and try to turn them around into them attacking you, or just the particular job they are speaking of.
Do us all a favor and take your rydilen. Or are we gonna have to call your parents and have them give you a time out in the corner?


P.S. Since you considered these user's posts as attacks, I thought it would be funny to see if you think my post was rational, seeing if you had sort of a retarded dislexia.

:)

Please define elitism for me, because we're not using the same definitions. I'm talking about job elitism, which is demanding "perfect" jobs and other band wagoning idiocy. You're talking about superiority elitism, which I have every right to use if someone has their head up their ass.



Check out the posts this bitch made this week:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=79;mid=1193948890266405792;page=1

Does this look like a "non-confrontational discussion" to you? He completely derailed a thread into a flame, saying a spelunker's hat is useless for skilling up parry (lol #1), and that prince's slops are the ultimate RDM leg gear (lol #2).

I was going to write a nice reply to that, but instead of being a sh*thead like you, I decided to let it go and not bump a flame that died down.




1) Bumping a two week old thread for the sole purpose of flaming isn't winning you rewards for rationality. Flaming when you have hardly any posts and you're too stupid to see the history behind people says a lot about your priorities as well.

2) My purpose here was to debunk another one of this asshat's attempts to start sh*t. He's enough of a loser, that he'll purposefully try to create errors in another's post, when none exist. He would argue that the sky was white, if he thought it would make him look cool on a forum. A while ago, he flamed me, saying a colibri merit party was impossible to cure without a BRD, unless you were a "dalmatica/relic RDM". To give you an idea of how wrong he was: last week I healed a few colibri merit parties on SCH with five melees, meaning zero refresh or curing support. I rarely broke 1/2 my MP. Either he's the sh*ttiest player in the world, or flat out lying. Anyways, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but you're both worthless here. I have no problem disrespecting trolls.

3) Starting a post with "LMAO" is pathetic.

4) Sarcastic smiles are pathetic.

5) Curiously, that's Fynlar's trolling style too. (hi2u alias or buttbuddy?)

6) Please die in a fire.



:)

Edited, Dec 27th 2007 11:27pm by Nateypoo