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#1 Jul 20 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
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#2 Jul 20 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Default
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#3 Jul 20 2009 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
zomg. wow. what a surprise. i seriously thought this was going to be the patch that fixed everything.
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Yet more buffs for jobs that didn't need it. /yay!
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#5 Jul 20 2009 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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well we could get some new items from campa... oh wait thats right campaign battles suck as blm
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#6 Jul 20 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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#7 Jul 20 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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SE makes me emo sometimes...

I guess I wasnt surprised, but I must say that I really was hopeful after their little phrase of "Other jobs, too, are scheduled to benefit from myriad adjustments to magic and abilities."

I think they worded it that way just to poke the BLMs and laugh.
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#8 Jul 20 2009 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
How much magic acc do you get from the entire cobra set though...this number I would like to see.

I know its still gonna be fail but I wouuld just love to know the whole set bonus. Was an easily obtainable refresh body piece too much to ask of?
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#9 Jul 20 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
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Was an easily obtainable refresh body piece too much to ask of?[/sm]

Black cloak? Vermy? Noble's? yyr?
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#10 Jul 20 2009 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Busaman the Mighty wrote:
Was an easily obtainable refresh body piece too much to ask of?[/sm]

Black cloak? Vermy? Noble's? yyr?


He asked for a easy piece not a gil eater/hat disabler.
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CommanderKing wrote:
Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Busaman the Mighty wrote:
Was an easily obtainable refresh body piece too much to ask of?[/sm]

Black cloak? Vermy? Noble's? yyr?


He asked for a easy piece not a gil eater/hat disabler.

Right, because 400k/40k are soooooo expensive. And remind me again, exactly what are you getting from head slot that would be useful for idle? iirc blm doesn't get a refresh/regen/-dmg% hat.
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#12 Jul 20 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
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Don't forget Sorcerer's Coat. Doesn't disable the Head slot, easy to obtain.

Relevant gear from the update:

"Elemental Belts":

BG .DAT mining wrote:
Earthy Belt
Earth Elemental Magic Accuracy+3
Campaign:
Earth Elemental Magic Accuracy+15
LV60 All Jobs


Yeah, inventories weren't sufficiently crowded, we needed more marginal Magic Accuracy for single elements.
There's probably one per element, .DAT mining isn't complete yet.

BG .DAT mining wrote:

Arrestor Mantle
Enfeebling magic skill +2
Campaign: Enfeebling magic skill +20
LV60 All Jobs

Ariesian Grip
MP recovered while healing +1
Campaign:
MP recovered while healing +20
Lv.60


More interesting, but still marginal.

Edited, Jul 20th 2009 2:06pm by NotASock
#13 Jul 20 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
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Sorcerer's Coat, easy to obtain.


No comment.
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#14 Jul 20 2009 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Looks like our job-specific weapon for the Fey quest is a Scythe.

Again, BG wrote:
Sturm's Report
Magic Accuracy+2
Campaign: Magic Accuracy+15
Level 60 Ammo
All jobs

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#15 Jul 20 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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Yet more buffs for jobs that didn't need it. /yay!


Eat a dick.

Ninja has needed a fix for a while. (not that I am certain these new abilities will get Ninja any love)

EDIT: Busaman, the whole cobra set gives +5 magic acc. It's +1 per piece

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#16 Jul 20 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Ariesian Grip
MP recovered while healing +1
Campaign:
MP recovered while healing +20
Lv.60



Quote:
Ariesian Grip
MP recovered while healing +20
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Whatever
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What it should have read -.-
#17 Jul 20 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh god, even more inventory-1s
I was already upset about the ammo slot and resting grip... if there's an accuracy belt for each element i'm effed.


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NotASock wrote:
Sorcerer's Coat, easy to obtain.



No comment.


I lol'ed. I noticed that on the BLM forums "I have it" = "Easy to obtain."
In a recent gear thread someone said Genie Weskit was cheap, and don't even get me started on yigit crackows. I've spent the past year and a half shouting in WG for assaults and i still don't have them. Yet every time they're mentioned here it's "ZOMG yigit crackows are so easy to get cuz when i got them years ago, everyone was doing assaults! there's no excuse to not have them!"
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#18 Jul 20 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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So basicly all BLM gets from this update, if you didn't get add-on, is some campaign items. Highly doubt the food will be mage food since it includes curry and the current dishes with curry is melee food.
I guess we could use the belts/grips for a small bonus to our spells, but we already got 8 obis / 8 grips that we can carry around, another 8 elemental plus the different magic-skill ACC items will only fill up our inventory even further
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#19 Jul 20 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
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Forgot this one.

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Crimson Belt
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Campaign: Dark magic skill +20
LV60 All Jobs


Ganimafighter wrote:

I lol'ed. I noticed that on the BLM forums "I have it" = "Easy to obtain."
In a recent gear thread someone said Genie Weskit was cheap, and don't even get me started on yigit crackows. I've spent the past year and a half shouting in WG for assaults and i still don't have them. Yet every time they're mentioned here it's "ZOMG yigit crackows are so easy to get cuz when i got them years ago, everyone was doing assaults! there's no excuse to not have them!"


Seriously, the "OMGELITEST" craze has to stop somewhere.

If you're in an half-way decent LS, you get 10-15 items from Beaucedine runs. That means, unless Sorcerer's Coat is your LS' "insane bad luck" item, one drops every 1-2 runs.
That's not including Tavnazia runs you might be doing in-between.
So yes, Sorcerer's Coat is easy to obtain.

And so are Yigit Crackows. Keep finding excuses ("no one is doing Assaults now, woe is me!" - "Everyone was doing Assaults back then (why didn't you?)") and get them, simple as that.

Genie Weskit, I don't expect that of all BLMs (nor Sorcerer's Coat, because I don't care if their idle set has an headpiece or not)... but Yigit Crackows are a bare minimum.
Seriously, what's next? "NQ Staves are too hard to get by 75! OMG U ELITEZT!"?
#20 Jul 20 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're in an half-way decent LS, you get 10-15 items from Beaucedine runs. That means, unless Sorcerer's Coat is your LS' "insane bad luck" item, one drops every 1-2 runs.
That's not including Tavnazia runs you might be doing in-between.
So yes, Sorcerer's Coat is easy to obtain.


I think it's more of a question of time allocated to dynamis instead of 'hard to get.' Dynamis (including gather time and farming) is a 4ish hour event that needs to be prioritized against other events and the number of people with BLM leveled is fairly large which means there are a lot of people lotting. Add in multiple jobs leveled to 75 and priorities from those (really the coat is nothing more than refresh while you can wear a hat) and it could take a very long time to get a meh piece of equipment.

I certainly agree that a black cloak is a perfectly acceptable idling piece of equipment (though by idling I mean running around because if you're a BLM at not either casting a spell, moving or /healing you're doing something incorrectly).
#21 Jul 20 2009 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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As far as I can tell everything we got from this update not only slightly hurt us more, but fails yet again.

The AN bodies according to most people are already calculated to all be stupid and not worth a damn thing. Ours looks particularly lacking though. Instant Retrace isn't going to help us in any way (Our "utility" spells are now all accessible through a free means). The foods have all determined not only to be melee foods, but not any of them really stand out so far. The "elemental belts" will actually be worse than the currently existing gear (worse than Penitent's, much worse than Sorc Belt, and WAY worse than a Witch's Sash), all the skill+ ones are only half-ass alternatives to existing gear (i.e. +2 skill to +5 skill from a sea cape...), and to top it all off our special "customizable weapon" is a god damn scythe.
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#22 Jul 20 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Default
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I lol'ed. I noticed that on the BLM forums "I have it" = "Easy to obtain."


Sorcerer's Coat is easy to obtain if you do Dynamis. Like NotASock mentioned, sometimes you get unlucky with certain drops, but his estimate of 1 drop per 1-2 runs is close to what we get. Dynamis is considered easy because it has been around for a very long time, strategies are easily obtained, and tons of people already have a lot of the gear.

The coat itself is the second worst piece in the set (imo), I would assume that most people obtain this item while waiting to get the better items. It's a meh piece at best.

I'm not in some elite shell, we've done 13 runs in Beaucedine in the past 5.5 months, and we've gotten 10 Sorcerer's Coats. We only average, per run:

8.8 Relic Armor
1.077 Attestations . . . don't ask
0.6154 100 units of currency
0.76923 Sorcerer's Coats


*Edit* Averages apply only to those 14 runs.


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Edited, Jul 20th 2009 6:38pm by Pricidia
#23 Jul 20 2009 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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NotASock wrote:
Yigit Crackows... get them, simple as that.


Oh man, why didn't I think of that?
/sarcasm

I don't see how the fact that no one is doing assaults on my server is not a valid excuse. You can't solo assaults. I can rarely get people to do them by shouting in whitegate. I can't get any friends or shellmates to do them. Your response to that is "You should have done assaults earlier then!" but that's really poor advice since it requires me to utilize time travel. Doesn't the fact that very few people even do assaults anymore make it significantly more difficult to get yigit crackows or are they still really really easy to get?

Even in the absolutely optimal, absolutely unrealistic situation, it would take someone starting at 0 about 2 weeks to get Yigit Crackows. Not incredibly difficult, but not super easy either.

It would be so easy for you to think i'm jealous because you have better gear than me, but that's not it at all. I'm telling you that you make it sound like it's easier to get things than it is and often do so in an insulting manner (for example if you say that there is no reason to not have a particular piece of equipment the implication is that the person who doesn't have that equipment must be deficient or they must not be trying hard enough). I guess that's what elitism is, but i'm not saying it because i'm jealous; i'm saying it because it makes the advice you give very discouraging. You seem to be imagining the optimal scenario and then thinking "in that situation, it's easy to get that item, so it must be an easy item to obtain!"
Yes, the whole game basically boils down to "If you do Event X enough times, you will eventually get Item Y" but that doesn't mean it's easy to do Event X.
If I was in a dynamis shell where I had the most points out of anyone else with black mage leveled and we exclusively did Beaucedine until we got the coat, then yeah it could take just one run or maybe a week or two at most to get it. But if you're in anything short of the optimal situation, it's going to take weeks or months to get it- including hours and hours of time doing dynamis. That's not what I consider "simple".
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Seen that the Innin stance for NIN somehow gave enmity- and somehow MAB+50 or something if nuking behind the mob.
How good would that be for BLM ?
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I don't see how the fact that no one is doing assaults on my server is not a valid excuse. You can't solo assaults. I can rarely get people to do them by shouting in whitegate. I can't get any friends or shellmates to do them. Your response to that is "You should have done assaults earlier then!" but that's really poor advice since it requires me to utilize time travel. Doesn't the fact that very few people even do assaults anymore make it significantly more difficult to get yigit crackows or are they still really really easy to get?


I'm probably one of the people you love to hate then because I just don't see how people can have so much trouble with some armor pieces in the game. If you want something, you'll find a way to make it happen. Just because something requires a little careful planning or a little ingenuity doesn't mean "omg too hard". Try making a static or something. It really isn't that difficult. Anyone on siren can tell you how hard I try with /shout limbus and salvage. I have been for years whenever our static isn't fully there, I shout for the missing jobs/people. Is it annoying? You bet. The difference is instead of making excuses (and I do mean any excuse), I make it happen. If I want something for my character, I will work something out so I can not only obtain it, but I might make a few friends happier along the way.
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We gota nada.


How about the upgraded +6 INT, +6MAB Weskit?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/ckelvolo/ffxi_20090721_093123.png

Of course you could just as easily turn it into sh!t, but it has potential. Kind of like a poor man's Morrigan's robe lol.
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How about the upgraded +6 INT, +6MAB Weskit?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/ckelvolo/ffxi_20090721_093123.png

Of course you could just as easily turn it into sh!t, but it has potential. Kind of like a poor man's Morrigan's robe lol.


I'm leaning towards calling it a day for ffxi given the completely expected disappointment of yet another poor update. If I do decide to call it quits, I'm going to throw every piece of gear I have into the augment tombola and see what the game sh*ts out, just as a final bit of fun.
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How about the upgraded +6 INT, +6MAB Weskit?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/ckelvolo/ffxi_20090721_093123.png

Of course you could just as easily turn it into sh!t, but it has potential. Kind of like a poor man's Morrigan's robe lol.


That's pretty awesome, I'm not full bottle on INT/MAB calculations but that looks pretty much on par with Morrigan's Robe (without the set bonus). Plus you get the elemental skill thrown in.

Hammering elite training until you get something like that or enduring 0/100 on the lvl 35 Body. No brainer IMO. Also, I'm perfectly willing to throw several hundred K worth of Weskits down the tube for something like that as opposed to spending 15 mil on a salvage body.
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How about the upgraded +6 INT, +6MAB Weskit?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/ckelvolo/ffxi_20090721_093123.png

Of course you could just as easily turn it into sh!t, but it has potential. Kind of like a poor man's Morrigan's robe lol.



Holy....sh*t.
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It already has +6mab.
#31 Jul 27 2009 at 9:14 AM Rating: Default
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I don't see how the fact that no one is doing assaults on my server is not a valid excuse. You can't solo assaults.

If you don't have two friends to do Assaults with, then this is wrong game for you. I can't imagine very many things in the game that are more casual-friendly than Assault: they require only 3-6 people, they take from 5-30 minutes each, they all have established strategies freely available from a number of sources, and you can do them any time you like in an instanced zone with no competition. I'm not sure how much easier to obtain this gear could be while still requiring more than one person to do it.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it: the single most powerful item in FFXI is a good linkshell. And, frankly, if you're getting to 75 without having made enough friends in the game to get a party of people together to do stuff, then you spent too much time leveling and not enough time meeting people.

Also, the idea that "no one is doing assaults on my server" is a little ridiculous. Just because people aren't jumping at the chance to do assaults with pick-up groups formed by shouting in Whitegate doesn't mean no one is doing them.

*edit* And I'm aware this thread is almost a week old. But, really, it annoys me when people complain that they can't get stuff done when all they had to do was make a few friends along the way. Why play an MMO if you're not going to meet people?

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