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#1 Dec 30 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Disclaimer: DD pld setup, mostly bird camps and cannot spam sushi. BRD/COR not always an option. This gear advice is for XP setup only, not endgame tanking.

Just dinged 68 and I'm feeling like something is wrong with my poor old level 55 Royal Knights breeches (DEF:30 STR+2 DEX+2 Attack+3), But looking at the alternatives, nothing is really jumping out at me.

You have the Fourth set (DEF:27 STR+4 Evasion+4 "Subtle Blow"+4 Set: Increases Attack)

The Iron Ram Hose (DEF:36 HP+28 Enmity+4 "Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Set: Increased resistance against all elements)

And then the tiger/feral gear. Is there something I'm missing?

The Fourth stuff would basically be -3def, +2str, -2dex. The evasion is meaningless with a haub+woodsmans+Spike earrings, and at most I would get 1 more piece of the set.

The Iron Ram Hose would be +6def +4emn, -2str, -2dex -3attack Over the hose. Since the Ele resist would be +5 max, based on other equipment options.

As far as most AH stuff, I can't find anything that jumps out at me to replace those pants with. Any advice?

The same can be said about my Fourth Division Gauntlets (lvl 55 DEF:13 accuracy+5)

Just feels like I should have moved into something higher at this point, but I guess it's not always the case. (ie. Valkyries mask)
#2 Dec 30 2008 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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I full timed Royal Knight's Breeches til I got Homam, personally.

I still whip out the RK for WS's, but I should probably break down and buy the Fourth gear for that.

I still got the IR Hose at 68. I macro'd it in for flash and voke in xp. I just tp'd in the breeches til I had something better. And, there really isn't much better prior to 75 and Homam.
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#3 Dec 30 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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Not a PLD and this may be too far down the line from when you want to replace but, wouldn't dusk be quite a good option as well? It's definitely better than RK Breeches from a DD standpoint anyway. It's currently what I use for NIN and DRG until I can get something better
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#4 Dec 30 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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johnnykrysys wrote:
You have the Fourth set (DEF:27 STR+4 Evasion+4 "Subtle Blow"+4 Set: Increases Attack)

The Iron Ram Hose (DEF:36 HP+28 Enmity+4 "Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Set: Increased resistance against all elements)

And then the tiger/feral gear. Is there something I'm missing?

Dusk Trousers at 72. DEF:47 HP+35 Attack+14 (Ranged Accuracy+10 Reduces Movement Speed (12%))

Highest DEF value of any PLD-usable legs, 2nd highest HP value (after Koenig), and highest Attack+ piece for that slot. Carry a pretty big price tag at 400k, but so damn worth it. They also provide one of your best WS options.

And the movement speed penalty really isn't bad at all. Just take them off when running to camp, in an exp situation, you'll always be voke/flash bitch, so the mob should always come to you at the start of the fight and you wont "gimp your damage by losing time running to the mob with dusk on".

They were literally one of the best purchases I ever made. I've used them on every job I have.
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#5 Dec 30 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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Dusk Trousers at 72 is all that comes to mind.

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I stand slightly corrected 3 times over...

All in the space of approx. a minute.

Yeah, Dusk Trousers are definitely the piece to strive for... Sheesh, when I was looking at equipment, I must have looked at it and said, "No haste... not worth it." BAD DRAC!
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#7 Dec 30 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Dusk trousers are an excellent choice, not only for the DD aspect, but for the +HP and defense. I am a 71 PLD and use RK breeches now, but I have Dusk that I use on other jobs. Great choice also if you plan on being a RDM/BLU or SAM/RNG also, in addition to any other DD jobs.
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Like others have said: dusk! Many DD jobs overlook them. If you plan on using ranged attacks on almost any job too, then they're good for that - I originally got mine for r.acc on thf, but am also using them on my pld72, and in a +hp set on my ninja75.
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#9 Dec 30 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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I'm still using RK pants at 75. :( I don't really want to sink money into dusk when all I do is campaign for now. Homam pants could be mine whenever they next drop, but I don't really want to gank them for my 6th job over people who've been waiting longer, ditto valor pants, which seem like a decent ws piece.

So brown pants it is.
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#10 Dec 30 2008 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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we don't get too much DD pants choices, but dusk pants are a solid one. i use dusk pants for TP, fourth division pants for ws, and aurum pants when i need accuracy.

wish i have homam... but probably never gonna happen :/
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#11 Dec 30 2008 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Dusk > RK breeches imo. But I got Homam.
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Dusk Trousers really are upsettingly under-rated.
I'm unsure how they compare to Valor for Vorpal Blade with it's multi-hit nature (you might need a math wiz to tell you that, but I'd think it would be close), but outside that they are great for so many jobs.

I know I wouldn't swap them for anything less than Heca or Ares for Penta Thrust, ditto heca for thf. I'll continue to TP in them on thf probably untill Homam/Skadi, they have obvious merit as a rng piece, and hell, I've even used it on BRD for Minstrel's Ring latent.

Sorry, I'm done now, but I just love these pants so much xD
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Other alternatives, would be: If you camp kings, try to get some heca legs. If you do salvage, try to get some ares. WS in those, and tp in homam.

Those would be some real good alternatives to an exp set up.
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#14 Dec 31 2008 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Not many people fight Kurrea, but if the opportunity arises, Galliard Trousers are another alternative.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2009 1:23pm by Dayn
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Your link has an extra / in it. Still gets there eventually, though.
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Dusk Trousers really are upsettingly under-rated.
I'm unsure how they compare to Valor for Vorpal Blade with it's multi-hit nature (you might need a math wiz to tell you that, but I'd think it would be close)

Let's see. I'm gonna take the example of myself on greater colibri, because that just seems easier to do than anything else.
Let's say I'm eating kabobs (60 attack) and getting minuet (60 attack).

I have very few items that actually are worth swapping into for WS, so only change other than legs will be turban > optical hat, and coral > minuet earring.

Dusk Trousers
STR: 78
Attack: 455
fSTR: 4
pDIF: 1.041437
Let's say 15% chance of critical means avg pDIF = 1.191437

Vorpal Blade: 4*(46+4+(78*.3)*.83) * 1.191437 + (35+4+(78*.3)*.83) * 1.19137
= 329.26 + 69.2 = 398

Valor Breeches
STR: 83
Attack: 443
fSTR: 5 (would have been 4 again if I didn't swap earring)
pDIF: 1.00474
Let's say 15% of critical means avg pDIF = 1.15474

Vorpal Blade: 4*(46+5+(83*.3)*.83) * 1.15474 + (35+5+(83*.3)*.83) * 1.15474
= 327.57 + 69.19 = 397

They're ridiculously close.
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#17 Dec 31 2008 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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For fun I'll see what happens when I do a lot of swapping of items I have, prioritizing str a little more.

Changes from my profile gear:
coral>minuet, turban>o-hat, woodsman>ruby, life belt>warwolf

Again, kabobs and minuet.

Normal WS:
STR: 78
fSTR: 4
Attack: 455
pDIF: 1.19137
Accuracy: 366 (74.5%)

Vorpal Blade: 95%*(46+4+(78*.3)*.83)*1.191437 + 74.5%*3*(46+4+(78*.3)*.83)*1.191437 + 74.5%*(35+4+(78*.3)*.83) * 1.19137
= 78.2 + 184 + 51.6 = 313.8

Loads of STR:
STR: 91
fSTR: 7
Attack: 461
pDIF: 1.209786
Accuracy: 346 (64.5%)
Vorpal Blade: 95%*(46+7+(91*.3)*.83)*1.209786 + 64.5%*3*(46+7+(91*.3)*.83)* 1.209786 + 64.5%*(35+7+(91*.3)*.83)*1.209786
= 86.67 + 176.5 + 50.25 = 313.4

tl;dr: It seems that for low damage weapons (joyeuse) and capped acc scenarios (first hit), sacrificing acc for STR isn't a bad idea. But in this case, again, they're almost exactly the same. Too bad my selection of STR gear is rather poor.

Edited, Dec 31st 2008 4:16pm by Illusitaru
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NoodlesCCCLV wrote:
Dusk Trousers really are upsettingly under-rated.
I'm unsure how they compare to Valor for Vorpal Blade with it's multi-hit nature (you might need a math wiz to tell you that, but I'd think it would be close), but outside that they are great for so many jobs.

I know I wouldn't swap them for anything less than Heca or Ares for Penta Thrust, ditto heca for thf. I'll continue to TP in them on thf probably untill Homam/Skadi, they have obvious merit as a rng piece, and hell, I've even used it on BRD for Minstrel's Ring latent.

Sorry, I'm done now, but I just love these pants so much xD


I would probably use Dusk for vorpal, even with relic legs for PLD. I use Dusk Trousers for Drakesbane right now on DRG.
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#19 Jan 02 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
Askar legs are pretty easy to get, and most melee that can equip them, already have byakko/homam.

I noticed that they have 5att and ~7-8acc depending on if you use 2h or not.

I see a lot of shouts for nyzul 36-40, or if you are lucky enough for a static they should come pretty fast.

I would say best item, in my opinion, if you need the acc and homam is out of reach.



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#21 Jan 02 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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askar pants is the one nyzul piece I never saw drop. :(
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RK Breeches lasted me from 55-72 due to the lack of better options for DD leg piece when I was leveling PLD 1.5 years back. That was a good 17 levels so RK Breeches was really a value for money piece of EQ.

I swapped it for Dusk Trousers at 72 and then to Homam Cosciales at 75. I have also obtained my Askar Dirs since then.

I personally do not think it is that big a sin to carry on wearing RK Breeches for another 3 levels and swap directly to Homam/Askar/Ares leg pieces at 75 if you so wish.
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#23 Jan 02 2009 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I used RK breeches until 75. Now I have Homam.

I swap on Galliard Trousers in the extremely rare event that I use Vorpal Blade.
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#24 Jan 03 2009 at 3:21 AM Rating: Good
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Keliaffxi wrote:
askar pants is the one nyzul piece I never saw drop. :(


Ditto :( sucks as one member of my static really wants them, and she's gained the least armor so far. I think they're a myth.
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#25 Jan 05 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive been using my Aurum Cuisses.

+4STR, +7ACC, -4ATk. I like them better than my RKB.

PS, I don't have Askar Dirs or I would use those instead I think.

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Edited, Jan 5th 2009 2:14pm by Skyra
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