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#1 May 27 2009 at 10:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay. if you check me when i am tping, i look like a typical turtle PLD aside from a few pieces. If you check me during a WS i am pimped like some warrior with a severe hard on for big numbers. I'm geared well, i eat good food, and tend to have some kind of attack buff from a brd or cor. even so, every time i WS and break 400 dmg, people are surprised. When i break 600 their jaws drop. Seriously. I had the Samurai asking to see my WS set after those started popping up. I have partied with several people, who have PLD to 75, that have told me they have never once seen vorpals like mine, or done vorpal for better than 250 in a party. This makes me sad. Why is it so many of us are content to put no effort into our potentially big number WS? It's a nice hate spike tool. Believe me, as a rng, i know all about hate spikes from a large numbered WS. c'est la vie.
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#2 May 27 2009 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly I'm more surprised that people expect PLDs to do any lower than 100 damage each time.

I've just been in a party for 15 hours as a 70-72 PLD, cycling through a few members (only 3 original members stayed the entire time). My SAM friend and I skillchain Darkness, which means I've been using Swift Blade. Majority of the time, Swift Blade has been doing 300+ damage each time. Whenever I did Vorpals, they always ranged from 250-460, depending if I have berserk and the mob is Dia'd. As you can see, Swift Blade for me has been giving me better returns as it seems that Vorpal is too reliant on crits and berserk.

Either way, the majority of the members I cycle through were pretty psyched to see the mob dying so quick (by quick, I mean under 20 seconds) due to Darkness Skillchain, as it usually did over 300 damage granted that both the SAM and I weaponskilled for a high amount of damage. What surprised them most though was the fact that I never did under 150 damage.

This was never anything new to me, but it seems to be fairly new on my server. Oh well, at least I know that the people that been in my party will now sigh at PLDs doing 12 damage Vorpal Blades.
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http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8568/vorpalvsrampagehj0.jpg
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Your preaching to the choir here, except we don't look like a typical turtle in our TP sets :P


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3338/ninjavorpal61xi1.jpg
did that on Nin @lvl 60-odd
#4 May 27 2009 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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My SAM friend and I skillchain Darkness, which means I've been using Swift Blade


I counter your Darkness with:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2650/pldsavagebladexj2.jpg
#5 May 27 2009 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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My SAM friend and I skillchain Darkness, which means I've been using Swift Blade


I counter your Darkness with:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2650/pldsavagebladexj2.jpg


Was that with 300 tp? >_>
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#6 May 27 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Pretty sad when i am keeping up with the actual DD's at one point. With no brd or cor, the drg landed a penta for 582 on a Puk, and i followed with a vorpal for 576.

And yeah, i know what you mean. Whenever i party with PLDs i am disgusted by their WS's. vorpal blades for 42 dmg, 150ish tops... since i ding 60 i've been turning heads and getting examined a LOT by my parties. Honestly, should see what i can do with my sidewinders on rng. this is nothing, but for now, on PLD, it will do.

Nice savage btw. 300 tp i take it?
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#7 May 27 2009 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Was that with 300 tp?


I woulda Vorpal'd at anything less so probably. Gots to love amnesia.

How did you gain 100tp in 20 seconds? (would require ~69% haste ignoring shield/store tp)
How did you do 70-72 in 15 hours with a 20second fight time (~70k/15hr = ~4.7k/hr. Even if you were getting 150xp a mob, 20 second deaths would be 25k/hr+)
#8 May 28 2009 at 12:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aluus wrote:
Okay. if you check me when i am tping, i look like a typical turtle PLD aside from a few pieces. If you check me during a WS i am pimped like some warrior with a severe hard on for big numbers.


Not to sound like a ****, but why do you keep turtle gear on for TP but bust out the DD gear for WS?
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Aluus wrote:
Okay. if you check me when i am tping, i look like a typical turtle PLD aside from a few pieces. If you check me during a WS i am pimped like some warrior with a severe hard on for big numbers.


Not to sound like a ****, but why do you keep turtle gear on for TP but bust out the DD gear for WS?
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#10 May 28 2009 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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well i do vorpal blade on campign mob, in average it is about 250 to 450 mark.

But there is this 1 times, i fighting the same orc mob in campign and i did this vorpal blade as /nin, and atm i was still puzzle how i did that, either i am very luck that all hit landed and critcal.

I just can't believe my eyes for a sec during that time. lol, it just suddently done a vorpal blade of 1076 damage on the orc. :P (btw the weapon is joy/justice, wear full haste + Acc gear)

After that, i never see that number again on vorpal blade.
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#11 May 28 2009 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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seeing those vorpals is really nice :)
Good to see a paladin that not only tanks but also chips in with the DDing he can do. Yes its indeed rare to meet plds like that.
#12 May 28 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Was that with 300 tp?

How did you gain 100tp in 20 seconds? (would require ~69% haste ignoring shield/store tp)
How did you do 70-72 in 15 hours with a 20second fight time (~70k/15hr = ~4.7k/hr. Even if you were getting 150xp a mob, 20 second deaths would be 25k/hr+)

As far as haste/store TP goes, I have a Euphoria Ring that gives me +1 Store TP (working on Chivarous). I usually ask the healer for Haste to speed up my attacks since I'm using Joyeuse. If I double-attack every swing, which happened alot, then I do get 100 TP in under 20 seconds, in which the SAM friend and I do Darkness SC as fast as possible to avoid Amniesa from the Imps. Of course, it happened sometimes, so not every fight was under 20 seconds.

I would've expected alot more exp from my party, but not everything was perfect. There were some problems, such as competition which didn't allow us to pull as quickly, and when I hit 71, we moved to Puks and Mamools, which turned out to be a bad idea since Imps gave more EXP and Mamools are asses, which caused me to die twice there. Also, at a point we had a JP bard, who wasn't a very good puller, and often worried about our WHM's MP. It wasn't until we eventually repped our brd (had to leave) with RDM, then repped our WHM (disconnected) with a SCH, then moved to Nyzul Isle's Caedevra Mire for Imps, that we were really getting quick and fast EXP, and that was when we were at the 13 hour mark. So basically our pulls were too slow, and we just never had the chance to get into a groove.
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It's been expressed before, but since you've got the gear for DD, why are you turtling? If you're impressed with yourself now and turning the heads of your party members, you ought to try more DD in your tp set. That will blow you away, too, and provides better hate than the spikes that come with WS's.
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It's been expressed before, but since you've got the gear for DD, why are you turtling? If you're impressed with yourself now and turning the heads of your party members, you ought to try more DD in your tp set. That will blow you away, too, and provides better hate than the spikes that come with WS's.


Only thing I can think of is he's overcamping a bit or his healer's putting up a sh*tstorm. If you're overcamping and have to wear turtle gear, swapping out for WS is at least better than nothing. If neither of these, then yar, leave it on! Macro the turtle (i'm assuming it's a lot of af) for JA's and go back to kickin ***!

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#16 May 28 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I did exactly the opposite yesterday...

Lv synching down to 60 on SAM, helping a friend that needed a DD on the pt.

We had our first PLD, and i was tanking full time. I mean, full time. With a THF TAing on him. The PLD leaves, second one comes, and he open up with a 390 vorpal. I say in pt: Now thats someone who knows what hes doing on PLD.

Whole pt start asking why. Well, our pld was parsing a tiny bit lower than our DRK, and i was finally having to fight someone for hate on the pt...
#17 May 28 2009 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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To everyone asking me why i am turtling, the simple reason is that i think my parties as of late have been overcamping a little. Even with defender up, IN TURTLE GEAR I've been getting smacked for 120-160 a hit when shield doesn't proc, and some TP moves have been shaving 25-40% my HP off in a single hit. Furthermore, my healers have been kinda lax (I've hit my Invincible a few times just cause i was not getting cured,) and my pullers lately have it in their heads that we're in a merit party, pulling the next mob before the last one dies, meaning me and the healer don't get to recover MP. The only enfeeble that's been used on the mob is my own flash. I won't even go into how many times i've had to party without any refresh. =/ Maybe it's just me, but i don't even remember getting my *** kicked this much on my ninja. If this is the norm from here on out on PLD let me know now and I'll just suck it up and deal with it. No one in my parties has been complaining. ****, my DRK last night was overjoyed at being able to fire off souleater guillotines for 1kish without taking a beating for it, and i'm not talking about covering him either

Edited, May 28th 2009 12:43pm by Aluus
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#18 May 28 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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As long as the tank is living and the party members aren't getting overly stressed (mainly healers), they'll let you tank naked.

It does sound like you're overcamping. Kudos on knowing how to maximize your potential.

I'll make one suggestion that will help you get to 75 faster - find a Healer that's on the ball and knows his job well and likes a _little_ stress in his life. Pair up with him. Grab another support job (backup healing + buffs, imo) and three DDs and find camps that you aren't over camping in and watch the XP flow in. When I made the change to DD PLD, I went from making 5-6k/hr to 15k/hr in the levels between 58 and 60. But, I'll admit that I had a mini static. PLD + RDM (both played by me) and THF + WHM (both played by my brother). We'd pick up two DDs (usually friends, but we didn't limit ourselves to that) and go to town. My original testing (the link in my sig) showed 500 xp/hr increase by mostly changing food and a few lower end equipment pieces. It just got better the more dedicated I got.
#19 May 29 2009 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
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Dropped a few DD jaws with this one XD


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7313/pol2009052820442050.jpg

This was at level 60. It's really fun having people in party who HAVE 75 PLD asking me to give em gear swap pointers

Edited, May 29th 2009 1:55am by Aluus
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#20 May 29 2009 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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Aluus wrote:
Dropped a few DD jaws with this one XD


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7313/pol2009052820442050.jpg

This was at level 60. It's really fun having people in party who HAVE 75 PLD asking me to give em gear swap pointers

Edited, May 29th 2009 1:55am by Aluus



Nicest part of that vorpal is the 280 penta on a flying mob just above it....


Seriously, PLD has the potential do do some pretty decent WS on pts. A+ skill, high D weapons, Berserk, Double Attack and a decent WS. Vorpal is only 0.5 D away from Rampage really, what skewer things is dual wield and that WARs almost always gear for DD while PLDs dont.
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Aluus wrote:
Dropped a few DD jaws with this one XD


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7313/pol2009052820442050.jpg

This was at level 60. It's really fun having people in party who HAVE 75 PLD asking me to give em gear swap pointers

Edited, May 29th 2009 1:55am by Aluus



Nicest part of that vorpal is the 280 penta on a flying mob just above it....


Lol part of that is his "YO SLAPNUTS" provoke macro
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#22 May 29 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I DD when pting and I can never pull numbers like that. Even with all my ACC gear on I miss like a **** while tping, and I usually only vorpal for 100-200 damage. Sometimes less than 100 when I'm unlucky. If I'm fighting birds the situation is even worse.

But maybe that's what I get for having to use AH gear. I dont have any of the gear from beating CoP, ToAU, or RoZ. No Limbus or Salvage pieces, no Nyuzle.. so no atonement. Dont have any friends to do Assaults either, so no gear from those.

I have to depend on sh*t tons of +enmity to keep up with DD, but usually any decent sam or drk can rip it off me permanently.

Smart Grenade
Haubergeon
Fourth Division gauntlets
Royal Knight's breeches
Chivalrous Chain
Warwolf belt
Merman's earring
Suppanomimi
Woodsman Ring
Sniper's Ring
Company Sword
Iron Ram Shield
Walahra Turban
AF feet / Iron Ram feet
Amemet mantle+1

That's what I WS in, and tend to tp in as well. Though if the mob im fighting is too high I'll swap out alot of those pieces for IR gear.

Edited, May 29th 2009 9:25am by Stubwub
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Well, here's what i was sporting for that vorpal, tp set/ws set. Keep in mind the tp set is turtlish gear

Main: T.M. Espadon+2 (AH has been out of ******* swords)
Sub: Sentinel Shield
Ammo: Bibiki Seashell
Head: AF/Sipahi Turban
Neck: Parade Gorget/Chivy Chain
Body: AF/Hauby
Hands: AF/Fourth Gauntlets
Legs: AF/Royal Knight's Breeches
Feet: AF/Sipahi Boots
Waist: Swift Belt/Potent Belt
Back: Royal Army Mantle (Swapped to Amemet+1 at 61)
L.Ring: Rajas
R.Ring: Ecphoria
R.Ear: Hospitaler Earring/Spike Earring
L.Ear: Buckler Earring/Spike Earring

For food i had marinara pizza+1 since the stuff's nearly as cheap as the NQ. I have no sword merits whatsoever (capped archery/marksmanship and 4 katana,) STR merits are only 1/5 atm, and crits are 3/4. I don't think i've merited since last year. I was zerked, and sporting a 7 Hunter's Roll and 6 Chaos Roll I believe. TP was less than 150. Now, my best vorpal so far without buffs/zerk has been 643, also at level 60 for comparison. Regarding the turtle gear i am wearing, i've been finding myself very dependant on curing myself, hence the hospitaler, and like i said in a previous post, my parties tend to over camp a little, and i don't get refresh too often, making the AF and parade gorget necessary. last night we were having to stop and let the whm get her mp back every 4-5 fights, even with evoker's roll on her due to the mobs playing rough and being hookers with that aoe knockback move. she couldn't even haste us she was hurting for mp so bad =/

Oh and regarding my voke macro? I've been using that line for 5 years now. I still can't think of a better way to pick a fight. XD

EDIT: Stub, this is gonna sound blasphemous here in the PLD forums and all, but here's my advice as a 75 Ninja. If your DD's wanna tank? Let em. Merit situations there's not a single tank on all the servers that will keep hate fulltime unless his DD's are really ******. Case in point? I can break 3k with Sidewinder on the sea puks at mamool ja staging point with a brd backing me. At that point if it ain't dead yet, all you can do is cover me and wait for me to finish killing it.

Edited, May 29th 2009 10:16am by Aluus
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#24 May 29 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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I have to depend on sh*t tons of +enmity to keep up with DD, but usually any decent sam or drk can rip it off me permanently.

A good DD will prepare themselves when they take hate. A bad DD will just WS and full-time hasso like an idiot.

It is rather unlikely for a PLD to keep hate full-time throughout an entire battle, but what really matters is that the party keeps going full speed with minimum rest.
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Well, here's what i was sporting for that vorpal, tp set/ws set. Keep in mind the tp set is turtlish gear

Main: T.M. Espadon+2 (AH has been out of ******* swords)
Sub: Sentinel Shield
Ammo: Bibiki Seashell Get a Smart Grenade (it's free)
Head: AF/Sipahi Turban
Neck: Parade Gorget/Chivalrous Chain Parade Gorget for between pulls
Body: AF/Hauby This has just as much defense practically as your AF.
Hands: AF/Fourth Gauntlets
Legs: AF/Royal Knight's Breeches
Feet: AF/Sipahi Boots This is fine
Waist: Swift Belt/Potent Belt
Back: Royal Army Mantle (Swapped to Amemet+1 at 61)
L.Ring: Rajas
R.Ring: Ecphoria
R.Ear: Hospitaler Earring/Spike Earring Macro Hospitaler into Cures
L.Ear: Buckler Earring/Spike Earring


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Full time that and macro in your enmity pieces into your job abilities.
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Aluus wrote:
Well, here's what i was sporting for that vorpal, tp set/ws set. Keep in mind the tp set is turtlish gear

Main: T.M. Espadon+2 (AH has been out of ******* swords)
Sub: Sentinel Shield
Ammo: Bibiki Seashell Get a Smart Grenade (it's free)
Head: AF/Sipahi Turban
Neck: Parade Gorget/Chivalrous Chain Parade Gorget for between pulls
Body: AF/Hauby This has just as much defense practically as your AF.
Hands: AF/Fourth Gauntlets
Legs: AF/Royal Knight's Breeches
Feet: AF/Sipahi Boots This is fine
Waist: Swift Belt/Potent Belt
Back: Royal Army Mantle (Swapped to Amemet+1 at 61)
L.Ring: Rajas
R.Ring: Ecphoria
R.Ear: Hospitaler Earring/Spike Earring Macro Hospitaler into Cures
L.Ear: Buckler Earring/Spike Earring


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Full time that and macro in your enmity pieces into your job abilities.


Appreciate it, but i didn't ask. i know how to gear for DD. I swap into the DD gear, including a smart grenade once the sync gets high enough that we're not overcamping. once i hit 61 noticed a sharp drop in how hard the puks were smacking me and put on my DD set, with enmity gear swaps. i just find the AF to be better for keeping hate when i'm overcamping and getting the sh*t knocked outa me. also, whms scream at me if i blink too much =/

Edited, May 29th 2009 12:34pm by Aluus
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