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#1 Jun 02 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hello fellow Paladins. First time poster, long time reader.

My story is pretty simple, I had a PLD friend who went and fought Maat, lost three times at the moment. First time he got cocky, started talking about how easy this was then ate Asuran Fist twice.

Second time, the same thing happened, except Maat spammed Asuran Fists ELEVEN times before dropping him.

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Third time was the same as second, just not as much.

Now, I remember a story about a PLD taking 5-6 Asuran Fists in a row too. My question is what triggers this? Is there some sort of time limit for the PLD fight?
#2 Jun 02 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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From what I have gathered its the same as every G5 fight. And it's a time thing. After a while, Maat just spams Asuran Fists til you die, or in my gfs case with her Dancer, that bitch used Dancing Edge about 6 times back to back til she droped.
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#3 Jun 02 2009 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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It's all a luck thing, because nobody has been able to determine exactly what sets him off. He can do it right away or he can go the whole fight without ever doing it. Sometimes he'll just make you lose; there is no real way around it unless Invincible/Sentinel can keep you alive long enough.
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The PLD is wearing AF in the screenshots. If you want to worry less about time, get some DD gear. I went 1/1 and finished REAL quick using my DD gear that I had. I'd only suggest giving DD PLD a try on Maat. The fight is over fast either way that way.
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The PLD is wearing AF in the screenshots. If you want to worry less about time, get some DD gear. I went 1/1 and finished REAL quick using my DD gear that I had. I'd only suggest giving DD PLD a try on Maat. The fight is over fast either way that way.




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#6 Jun 02 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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10 times. I'm pretty sure it was due to the time spent in there. I was using swift blade instead of vorpal, was eating defense food instead of carbonara or another attack food, and I had already used sentinel twice at this point, so atleast 5 minutes + time needed to sleep for 100 TP, and then an odd minute or two since Sentinel wasn't back up yet when he started unleashing. If I had to guess I'd say it's 10-15 minute range is when you start to time out.

In this pic, the 10 asuran's were back-to-back, he landed the first 1 or 2 before invincible; Incinvicble ate a majority of them while I tried to recover, but I just "didn't have what it takes." XD;

[edit] Yeah, I went in with a hauby and woodsmans x2, and an amemet+1. I just made the mistake of using swift blade and a taco. Just to add into the thread as far as help on winning goes...Don't try to turtle up. Pretend you have to be a squishy DD and prepare for it thusly(by bringing a good combo of hipots/muslim/ethers/YagDrink(s), and 1 vile elixer(or +1) if you want an extra safety net. DD gear, DD food(I suggest carbonara for HP+, sTP+, and attack+). My second attempt I won at around 6 and a half minutes, and I didn't sleep all the way to 100 TP because I was worried about my time from the first time. Use vorpal blade. ;O I was also lucky to have my Ohat for the 2nd attempt...>.>b[/edit]
[edit2go]Wups, forgot to mention..at that point in time in my PLD career I had DMG filtered to in-game instead of in-chat, because I was learning to adjust to DynamisSpam and was tired of changing filters all the time. I still say, to this day, SE needs to add filters/settings books that change when you swap macro books.[/edit2off]

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DD gear is an especially good idea considering you'll be spending a good deal of the fight with Matt flashed/sentinel/invincible up.

As for asuran spam, as said, if he wants you to die, you will... unless he's almost dead already.
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I beat Maat first try two days ago and PLD is my first job to level high. It went pretty smoothly, beat him in somewhat more than five minutes. I won with the third swift blade, just before I wanted to use Invincible. Some things I like to give as advice:

- If it's your first job for Maat, wait until you hit level 70. You get Defense Bonus IV at level 70 and can cast Protect IV.
- Take time to skill up, especially if you have done a lot of level synching in the 60's. My sword skill has been around cap for lvl 68 which was o.k.
- Don't bother sleeping TP up at the beginning - it takes longer than building TP during the fight, so it's a waste of time imho.
- Don't bother using Hi-Potions. In the three seconds time they take to activate you get hit at least once by Maat, which more or less negates the benefit.
- Don't bother going into the arena naked. I didn't and the fight was no problem.
- Use an Icarus Wing for an extra WS.
- I used swift blade which seems to give more reliable damage than vorpal (vorpal can get higher numbers though).
- I went with my normal exp party gear, which leans towards DD but not all-out.

Besides that I guess I was a bit lucky as Maat didn't use Asuran Fists. If you need more than 8 minutes, he'll spam Asuran Fists to end the fight, though.


Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 12:10pm by FireHedgehog
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#9 Jun 03 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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He does that only when you pass the 10 minute time limit. Instead of just booting you out, he kills you with asuran fists.

Quit being so slow and he won't do it :p
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I lost the first time due to taking too long/Asuran spam (wearing AF/VIT/etc), but I got him the second time at 66 going the full DD route, fight was over fairly quick. This was pre-OMG PLD has everything (Autorefresh/Sentinel update, Shield Mastery) I did cap Sword before entering the second time.
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:r wow really? I went in and honestly had no trouble at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzxfEDzpgbw&feature=channel_page

It seemed really easy to me anyway.
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maat spams asuran fists when he suddenly suffers a diarhea attack and needs to get the fight over as soon as he possibly can.
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:r wow really? I went in and honestly had no trouble at all.


Again, the Asuran spam is all random. About the only thing that can be said about it is that the quicker you win the fight, the less likely you will be to see it happen.
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Yellow cury DD food.
and if you have a friend, use a k club, show him who is boss.

Sub drk souleater pop your 2 horu and he will fall, I promise you he will fall....

I promise you he won't since you can't use subjobs.
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loyfriend wrote:
Yellow cury DD food.
and if you have a friend, use a k club, show him who is boss.

Sub drk souleater pop your 2 horu and he will fall, I promise you he will fall....



Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 11:13pm by loyfriend


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Wont know for 3 hours.

But I did let my best friend in 2005 who was going to fight maat borrow my k club. He also used other DD gear and yellow curry. The fight didnt last that long.

Dont complain to me because you have a long fight and die to soon. BEAT THE F out of him using DD gear and weapon. If you dont and I can PvP you i will use my relic on you.

heck screw the yellow curry. Go for the red curry. Add a bomb
core. add some salvage gear with +attack stats among others.
But still use the K club. Then pop your spikes spell. WATCH MAAT DIE. If it helps
you, you can pretend that yoru beatingme up.

But then again if you lose to maat, just know it was me who gave you a beatdown......


Hell, if it was me, I would open with a light Skillchain. Rest 100 tp. Savage blade, switch toa club, IC wing black halo, = LIGHT SC.

AGAIN I am MAATS father and beating him every job. I dont like to jus
just win, I like to beat it up so nothing remains.

If you dont have that SC... Do swift blade, Spinning slash. TAKE HIM DOWN!!!

After all he far from the hardest mob you will have to take down.


Edited, Jun 4th 2009 1:19am by loyfriend

Edited, Jun 4th 2009 1:23am by loyfriend


Three things wrong with that, which I have bolded.

1st: Pld can't wear bomb core.
2nd: If you're going in to fight him at 70, you can't wear any salvage gear due to it being lvl 75.
3rd: You can't perform any of the quested WSs at 70 since you can't unlock them until 71, rendering the light SC idea useless.

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Don't encourage him. Loyfriend is the Victrola of the BLU forums and I'd love to see him stay the hell out of here, but if we keep responding to him, he's going to keep posting his crap either because he thinks we're taking him seriously (i.e., he believes his dribble) or he knows he's getting a rise out of us (i.e., he's a troll). Either way, I'm done responding to him or even reading anything he has to say.
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I've heard it said that if you fight Maat below lvl70 (i.e. 66-69) then he doesn't use Asuran Fists. I can't verify that (I fought him at lvl69 turtle-style ages ago and he didn't use it on me at all, but I haven't ever fought him again).
I don't know if there is additional information about this anywhere? I can't remember where I read it, it was long long ago lol ><
Possibly it has been changed, or possibly it was wrong in the first place lol.
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#23 Jun 05 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Waited till level 70 to do mine (for Protect IV). Used carbonara and DD gear. Finished in at about 5 minutes and never saw an Asuran Fists. I had a vile elixir +1 but never used it either. I did use a bunch of hi-pots +whatever. I also slept to 100% tp and used an Icy Wing. I believe I alternated between Vorpal and Swift Blade.

Might just have been one of my lucky nights. Went to farm tests just before that and got it on first mob.

Oh, and OP, make sure your friend is using Reprisal, it didn't exist when I did mine, but that should get him TP really fast.

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I'm almost positive there's a 5 minute time limit for the fight, which, when passed, causes Maat to decide you unworthy, and finish the fight with asuran fists spammage (TP+500?). It has been awhile since I did this, but on youtube, if you look up Maat fights in which the author of the video lost, you'll notice there's a pretty distinct similarity in the length of the videos. I'm fairly convinced there's a set time limit, not some random chance of it happening.

That said, eating 11 Asuran Fists in a row by yourself is pretty epic.
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I'm almost positive there's a 5 minute time limit for the fight, which, when passed, causes Maat to decide you unworthy, and finish the fight with asuran fists spammage (TP+500?). It has been awhile since I did this, but on youtube, if you look up Maat fights in which the author of the video lost, you'll notice there's a pretty distinct similarity in the length of the videos. I'm fairly convinced there's a set time limit, not some random chance of it happening.


Definitely not 5 minutes. According to most reports it's 8 minutes when he starts spamming Asuran Fists.
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#26 Jun 08 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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It is time based. Dont take too long on your fight. IE: DD Gear and food!
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I defeated maat during those days where the shield would only block once every 100 hits taken.

The strategy was simple, kill him before he kills you. It is absolutely dangerous to stretch the fight because that old man can drop you in a second if he wants to.

I remember I first used the TP necklace to bring my TP up to 100 with sleep pots. Went in and did Swift Blade, eat a wing for TP and Swift Blade again.

After that, prepare to invincible because after doing the WSes the old man probably has got enough TP to Asuran.

If you load up on DD/ accuracy gears, your first 2 WSes would have taken off a huge chunk of the old man's life. You'll need only a third WS to finish the job. Pray that you are able to survive till your third WS is up.
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Maat absolutely has Asuran Fists if you enter before you're level 70.

I beat him at 66, 1/2, the first time took too long and he Asuran'd me to death. The second time I went full DD and creamed him. (I capped Sword before entering)
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#29 Aug 05 2009 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm almost positive there's a 5 minute time limit for the fight, which, when passed, causes Maat to decide you unworthy, and finish the fight with asuran fists spammage (TP+500?). It has been awhile since I did this, but on youtube, if you look up Maat fights in which the author of the video lost, you'll notice there's a pretty distinct similarity in the length of the videos. I'm fairly convinced there's a set time limit, not some random chance of it happening.


Definitely not 5 minutes. According to most reports it's 8 minutes when he starts spamming Asuran Fists.

I can dispute the 8 minute Asuran Fists thing. When I beat Maat, it was 8:49. All I saw in my chat log was Maat's Bash, Spinning Attack, Combo, and Shoulder Tackle.

The only reason it took me so long to beat him was that he Flashed me at the exact moment I hit my third Vorpal Blade macro, causing me to hit him for a grand total of 67 damage.

The total time limit for any G5 fight with Maat has been repeatedly documented as 10 minutes.
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Easiest way to beat Maat on PLD is to show up with a real set of DD gear and Joyeuse. Maat just cannot deal with the pointy end of a Joyeuse.

Just don't skimp on your DD gear. Honestly, if you don't have DD gear at 70, you shouldn't be playing PLD anyhow.
#31WCDireWolf, Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 1:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took Maat @67, I used the exact same gear I used as a turtle PLD. (I *have* DD gear, but I find Turtle is better for HNMing where every little bit helps, and your DD sucks anyways.) My only advice is to make sure to use Swift instead of Vorpal. Swift is more accurate, and for my build, did more damage overall. Good luck!
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I took Maat @67, I used the exact same gear I used as a turtle PLD. (I *have* DD gear, but I find Turtle is better for HNMing where every little bit helps, and your DD sucks anyways.) My only advice is to make sure to use Swift instead of Vorpal. Swift is more accurate, and for my build, did more damage overall. Good luck!


I don't take issue with how you beat Maat, you won, but our damage potential for "HNMing" does not suck when done correctly, that's an old view that really isn't pertinent anymore.
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#33WCDireWolf, Posted: Aug 06 2009 at 8:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The only damage I feel that I contribute is spamming Atonement from getting smacked a lot and gaining TP. That's my experience, and if you have a different one, that's good for you! As for our DPS "sucking" I don't see our contribution important enough to risk getting yourself killed or wounded enough to eat a lot of MP. (That, and I never did that good of numbers except for Atonement)
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You'll put out MORE atonements if you can figure out how to NOT hit for 0 or miss. Hint: DD gear.

And, that's why most people /NIN or /RDM, anyway. If you're not using /NIN or /RDM, sure, I agree, DD gear is a huge loss. But, you should be /NIN on most end game mobs. And, when a shadow is taking that hit... why are you using Vit and Defense?
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The only damage I feel that I contribute is spamming Atonement from getting smacked a lot and gaining TP. That's my experience, and if you have a different one, that's good for you! As for our DPS "sucking" I don't see our contribution important enough to risk getting yourself killed or wounded enough to eat a lot of MP. (That, and I never did that good of numbers except for Atonement)



Use TP set consisting of DD gear until shadows drop, cast shadows in haste or shield gear, switch back to TP gear, if both shadow timers are down, switch into -phys and +HP set and top off. Defense very little impact and VIT is mainly just for Rampart. If you think you can play PLD well with just one set, especially one consisting of DEF/VIT in this age of Atonement, you are very wrong.
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#36 Aug 07 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default
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The Maat fight is very easy. I went 1/1 with no troubles at all. You don't have to go full DD to have an easy time.
I went as a sort of hybrid wearing full AF, but had a potent belt, chiv chain, and garrulous ring. I also used caronara food.
As far as the actual fight goes, I used swift blade 3 times, the third one i hit finished the fight. Just use invinciblity when he does, flash as often as you can and make sure you go in naked. It really does help.
Also while in the fight whichever subjob you chose is useless so ignore any /nin or /war comments.
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The Maat fight is very easy. I went 1/1 with no troubles at all. You don't have to go full DD to have an easy time.
I went as a sort of hybrid wearing full AF, but had a potent belt, chiv chain, and garrulous ring. I also used caronara food.As far as the actual fight goes, I used swift blade 3 times, the third one i hit finished the fight. Just use invinciblity when he does, flash as often as you can


You would have had an easier time with full DD gear on Maat.

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and make sure you go in naked. It really does help.


I'm assuming you have proof of this? One fight isn't statistically helpful and it's hard enough to test. I DIDN'T go in naked and won the fight in under 2 minutes. Seemed easy enough.

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Also while in the fight whichever subjob you chose is useless so ignore any /nin or /war comments.


My /nin and /rdm comment wasn't directed at the Maat fight. It was directed at this:

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The only damage I feel that I contribute is spamming Atonement from getting smacked a lot and gaining TP. That's my experience, and if you have a different one, that's good for you! As for our DPS "sucking" I don't see our contribution important enough to risk getting yourself killed or wounded enough to eat a lot of MP. (That, and I never did that good of numbers except for Atonement)


which is specifically about HNM fights. You shouldn't be going /WAR for these except in very few cases (none of which I can think of).
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Sorry to the OP, but I am wandering off topic again.

To be fair, I do have 3 sets of gear for my PLD.

Haste, Turtle, and "DD".

I've found that I *can't* keep shadows up against some mobs. Khimeira, in particular, triple attacks, and Utsu doesn't recast fast enough sometimes. Additionally, he hits *hard*.

The way I see it, something will slip through at some point, and I guess I'm just a little old fashioned with regard to a Paladin's role.

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On topic, I found that running away from Maat when he Invincibles works better than popping your own. Chances are he'll try to banish or cure, giving you time to run.

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WCDireWolf wrote:
Sorry to the OP, but I am wandering off topic again.

To be fair, I do have 3 sets of gear for my PLD.

Haste, Turtle, and "DD".

I've found that I *can't* keep shadows up against some mobs. Khimeira, in particular, triple attacks, and Utsu doesn't recast fast enough sometimes. Additionally, he hits *hard*.

The way I see it, something will slip through at some point, and I guess I'm just a little old fashioned with regard to a Paladin's role.

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On topic, I found that running away from Maat when he Invincibles works better than popping your own. Chances are he'll try to banish or cure, giving you time to run.



What Khimaira do you mean? The real khimaira doesn't triple attack, and the nyzul/einherjar ones die too fast for me to really tell. I've fought well over 70 khimaira's as well as tanked at least half of those, and never seen a triple attack. I have, however, seen when elegy wears and he'll double attack and follow with a single and it look similar to a triple because his delay is so slow with no slow or elegy.

Other than that though, Khim is one of the easiest mobs in the game to tank. Seiryu is a harder mob to tank than Khimaira if you want to be brutally honest, when you discount the time difference between a 3 minute seiryu and a 10-15 khimaira. You shouldn't need turtle gear on him, because you're just wasting time standing there in turtle gear while he whiffs on shadows (and normal hits Khim has absolutely stupidly bad accuracy. Flash actually makes him miss a lot).

Back onto topic though, for Maat just do a basic shield skill and DD set. You're still help to a 10 minute time limit where if you pass it he does asuran fists crazy. Use Reprisal, make a good set, and DD him faster than he can DD you. Use Invincible when he does so it negates his. You can practice on the enm60 pulling strings against a 60 cap pld.
#40 Aug 08 2009 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
At lvl 69 a PLD can use spinning slash which, I would just have to assume would be more consistant dmg than vorpal blade and higher dmg than swift blade. I wouldn't recomend TP'ing with a GS as you've only got B skill in it and you wouldn't have a shield to block with but wouldn't:

Sleep TP with GS equiped
Spinning Slash
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Spinning Slash
Swap to sword/shield

Be better dmg than sword/shield dmg from start to finish? It's a one hit WS so unless he freaking flashes you, you should land it. And it has a 1.5 multiplier to cRatio so it should do some pretty decent dmg...might as well be called Tachi: slash Smiley: laugh
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#41 Aug 19 2009 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I did the fight with a full DD set after losing the first time, because Asuran Fists x4 destroyed me with no invincible or sentinel.

Edited, Aug 19th 2009 6:16pm by StephisaMAN
#42 Aug 21 2009 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I had no problem beating maat with exp gear. Used, I think it was carbonara sub or something sub. Went in naked, did sleep/opopo necklace thing to 300tp, and then geared up and engaged. Hit him with spirits within, and then popped icarus wing and hit him with another WS (forget which), then just fought him like normal, and he went down in a few minutes with no asuran fists
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