Enmity+ with Flash?Follow

If all you care about is hate generation, then it's not hard to look at your gear and do the math to see whether +enmity will get you more hate overall than haste gear and casting the spell more often.

However, I get the impression that most PLDs focus on lowered recast with Flash, and enmity elsewhere. Personally, I'd generally prefer to cast the spell more often than get more enmity from each cast. I'm less concerned with mp-conservation and more interested in the flexibility to cast more often around my other hate tools, and to actually get the effect of Flash on the mob as much as possible.

Bimrog.. chill bro

Not to belittle the OP, and maybe I'm blind, but what exactly is it in his gear setup that screams that he should know everything about the game?

Is it the one piece of Homam?

Besides that, there will almost never be a point in your playtime when you know absolutely everything about everything, cause as soon as you do, the majority changes what the "know" is. Few years ago it was Def/Vit or bust for Pld, Evasion for Nin, now it's DD for both. I don't think his question is unreasonable.

To the OP, when I cast spells on Pld I fill slots that have haste available with haste or fast cast, those that don't with enmity.

back in the day VIT and DEF onry. a DD pld was kicked from parties because "URDOINITWRONG".

ah I miss those days...

Except that... the simple answer is, "No, you want to stack haste." And the more nuanced response is, "Maybe, depending on what you're trying to achieve."

I don't see how you can be having a fit about the Op's question when you don't seem to understand yourself. Maximum hate generation, max mp conservation, and max hate tool flexibility all give potentially different answers here.

Actually, they rated down the one person whose answer was woefully, almost negligently, incomplete.

Here's a thought. If someone asks, "Is this good?" the useful response is not "yes"; the useful response is, "What do you mean by good, and what are you trying to achieve?"

Here's another thought. Even if the Op is trolling, his question is related to concerns that new-to-endgame PLDs might have. Therefore it doesn't matter whether the Op is genuine or not -- someone else could very easily get some useful information out of a good answer.

Yeah that;

Look, this game is old. Things don't change that often, and when they do, they don't change much. These forums are often filled with redundant, repetitive questions that we've all seen dozens of times. It's unavoidable.

I've BEEN that person who've clicked on a topic and thought, omg "READ THE STICKY". Then there are times when these forums, and similar ones, go weeks at a time without new posts, or if they do have posts they are woefully boring. Which do we want, a dead forum, or people asking questions? The ones who know their sh*t can only parrot the same sh*t to each other so many times before we run out of stuff to say.

Forums, for better or worse, FEED on people who are to lazy to look up their own info. We, the ones who check here every couple hours for new posts, should be happy to see new posts. Shouldn't matter if it's old questions or not. What the hell else are we going to talk about?

-Attached- I also realize that I am not a revolutionary thinker who had an epiphany about the inner workings of forums. Someone, somewhere at sometime has tried to reason with gruff forum regulars before to no avail. I also know the reality of the fact that I will at one time or another reclaim the frustration of seeing the same question and blow the hell up at someone on this very forum. Today I just felt more helpful than grumpy.

I just know though that many of the people who get overly frustrated with these repetitive questions check the forums dozens of times a day, hoping for new posts. I just wonder what it is they expect to find about a game this old.

How bout screw you in the mouth? Is that what you want, a flame war?

Look at the forums, what else would you be replying to if not for this thread? Some other person asking some other tired question about something that has been asked a couple years ago. Reading stickies is boring, so people don't do it. Whats more, those stickies you keep pointing to, you know where the info contained came from? Yeah, tired ass discussions, sh*t mulled over time after time till we got it hashed out over countless threads.

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 3:26pm by Bauran

Bimrog is an idiot...

How exactly is anything supposed to be common knowledge if we yell and insult the people that are trying to learn?

It makes people like blmrog feel better about themselves.

Even if you're rocking Haste and 2 Marches, you'd be better served in any fight lasting over a few minutes to swap to Turban to cap your recast completely, or grab some Dusk Gloves and a Blitz Ring to get 1% off cap.

As much as it sucks relegating it to JA and Cure use, my Hydra Haubert is, on paper, outclassed by an Enmity/Fast Cast Neuvo. Capping your recasts and using Flash every 22 seconds outweighs casting it ever 28-30 seconds in 10 more Enmity (Which is your situation at the moment).

uh, bolded for ppl to acknowledge that only with your gear is fast cast neuvo better, generally with the reg. cookie cutter gear + double marches, Hydra beats out Neuvo regardless of the combo you can think of. The difference will be capped recasts on both sides, but 2 more enmity on the hydra set

Bmask
ritter
hades+1
loquacious >>>>> Hades +1
Hydra >>>>>>>>>> ACP body
Homam
Hercules
Mermaid
Cerb+1
V.Belt
Homam
Hydra feet

Ofcourse I went for the best only because thats where hydra shines more, with better gear. However you dont need hydra or vbelt for it to win, IR feet and swift are just fine, both gear pieces will look different as youll need to move gears around again, but the outcome is the same, hydra ftw.

So where does ACP win over hydra? anytime you cant get double marches. or you dont have all 3/5 of homam. Like I noticed with Fury, he doesnt have the pants yet, so ACP would win out at the moment over hydra.

And imo theres no reason to want to find alternative pieces to not have double marches, as marches do more than help reduce your recasts............that should be obvious to all...

I dont. I never bought ACP, though it was a waste of money. Perhaps he did the same?

I see your point better now. While I never believe that the ACP would win over time in real situations, I can agree with the potential in theory. The other factors IMO are more of an issue. Let's say you are co-tanking and the other PLD isn't as good with their enmity set. Or you take more damage thane expected for whatever reason, poor blm stuns for example. Or even imagine a hate reset move like on Omega. Those are just a few reasons why I believe the ACP body is useless for casting Flash. Like you said, the ACP body takes longer to amass the hate cap compared to more enmity gear. If that timer is reset or skewed due to a number of reasons, the math is thrown out. For the sake of argument, it's safe to say the Hydra is a superior choice majority of the time including all factors, not as situational as ACP for sure.