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#1 Jul 19 2009 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Outside of /drk and /rdm, Is this thing really even that great?
#2 Jul 19 2009 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Its top /nin body too if you make full use of a CCM.

How good it is depends on the support you have available, and other details of the fight.

In other words, sh*ts Situational.
#3 Jul 20 2009 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Asdrabael wrote:
Its top /nin body too if you make full use of a CCM.

How good it is depends on the support you have available, and other details of the fight.

In other words, sh*ts Situational.


What does CCM stand for?
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#4 Jul 20 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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CCM = Cure Cheat Macro, I assume.

Personally I have had my Ares's Cuirass for about 4 or 5 months now, and I really feel that is was worth the time and money. (Something that I can't say about a lot of gear that I have).

When my ACC is acceptable, or when I'm not trying to build TP, there is nothing stat-wise on any other body that replaces the ability to up my Refresh rate, and even when I am idling in an ACC body, being able to swap in Ares's and Parade Gorget makes a nice difference in my ability to expend MP over the course of a long fight.

I don't think that it's a piece of gear that any PLD should feel gimpy by not having, there are obviously other good pieces of body armor and this is far from a "must have, end-all PLD body", but if obtaining it is within your reach I would recommend doing so.
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#5 Jul 21 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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NCCoda wrote:
CCM = Cure Cheat Macro, I assume.

Personally I have had my Ares's Cuirass for about 4 or 5 months now, and I really feel that is was worth the time and money. (Something that I can't say about a lot of gear that I have).


Heh, this would make for a great thread: everyone's most disappointing gear acquisitions/purchases (barring straight up stupid sh*t like a Knightly Mantle or something :P).
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#6 Jul 21 2009 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I love my ares body. It may not have enmity or accuracy on it (Which my ACP body has both of) but the refresh and attack/str on it are invaluable. I find myself using DD gear on almost everything these days, and the attack boost is huge for mobs that like to take 0 damage from joytoy hits. It honestly gets more use than my ACP body these days.

<3 Ares
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#7 Jul 21 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Your ACP body has acc/enmity on it? O_o
#8 Jul 21 2009 at 6:12 PM Rating: Default
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Yep. Feels good, man.
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#9 Jul 21 2009 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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wru Fast Cast? If you wanted acc/enmity you may as well have just picked up an avalon breastplate.

Fast Cast is the only really good stat from it.
#10 Jul 21 2009 at 10:38 PM Rating: Default
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And fastcast does jack when you're already stacked on haste. I'd much rather take the accuracy and churn out more Atonements thank you.
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#11 Jul 21 2009 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Haste doesn't affect your casting times for the Utsusemis or your other spells. Haste + Fastcast > just Haste for recasts as well.

ACP body with enmity/accuracy is just gonna waste one of those stats at once at any given time potentially. If you're TPing, it's inferior to Hauby(+1)/situationally Ares. If you're building enmity on anything that's not a JA/Atonement, fastcast/enmity > just enmity.

There's no reason to have both enmity and accuracy on a body at once before your sword DoT (or DPS if you prefer) is negligable and therefore boosting enmity per hit is going to be very inefficient in an endgame tanking context. It's equal to enmity/fast cast for JAs and Atonement, worse at everything else.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 2:57am by RaenRyong
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#12 Jul 21 2009 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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I think Atonement is both the best and worst thing to happen to PLD.
(This is not a rant, just some observations)

It's an incredible tool that makes tanking ridiculously easy, and made PLD a very capable DD in endgame fights. (Not counting Excal PLDs, they could do that before).

At the same time, I've noticed a large amount of PLDs that couldn't tank anything if they didn't rely on Atonement damage to keep hate. It certainly lowered the bar of what an acceptable tank is.

Back on topic, an ACC/Enmity Neuvo is inferior to a Fast Cast/Enmity Neuvo and a Haubergeon.

Even if your recasts are capped, the Fast Cast can, occasionally, mean the difference in getting that Ichi off and having it interrupted. (Especially when you properly stack the Fast Cast on the body and Loquacious Earring, with Shield Skill stuffed in everywhere else you can get it).

Even if your ACC is capped, something that I have been unable to do on anything that I would deem important, a Haubergeon offers us the Attack boost, and when we're using a low damage weapon like a Joyeuse, every hit for 0 hurts. That alone allows someone to crank out more Atonements than someone using a pure +10 ACC body piece.

I've been accused of being too anal on my PLD, but that's my thoughts.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 3:20am by NCCoda
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#13 Jul 22 2009 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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NCCoda wrote:
I've been accused of being too anal on my PLD, but that's my thoughts.


I was once asked to come on my BLU to a limbus run (I was already geared up for it due to messing around/spell gathering and showed up 10 minutes after the gather time - I wasn't planning on going in, but they hadn't left yet, so I booked it to Jeuno). As the run went on, I got various tells from various people, including the guy (usually on DRK) who replaced me as PLD. The general comments were: "Damn, you DID put a lot of time into your PLD, didn't you?" Most of them thought I was nuts for spending as much time pimping out and being "anal" about my PLD, but when I came as something else... they missed the anal PLD. (I want to mention that both of the PLDs did admirably - it's hard to keep hate off a DD who WANTS it and my BLU is close to the same level as my PLD, so when I went nuts, I tanked. The enmity merits certainly don't help the PLDs' cause, either, when they're on the BLU dropping SC's constantly.)

I'll admit that when I played, I was pretty damn elitist in one regard only. I expected MYSELF to have the best I could afford. I expected others to have what they could have (obvious, cheap but better choices over expensive pieces, for instance) but never expected anyone to live to my standards for myself. I made VERY few exceptions - I even used a PCC exclusively from 55-65 as a PLD when my brother took his first long break from the game. I expected myself to play to the highest level I could and constantly looked for things to improve. Being called anal or elitist, to me, was a compliment to me. Unless it was because I was expecting something from the other person (beyond having a spike necklace...).
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#14 Jul 22 2009 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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I'm the same way Dracoth, and I get a lot of animosity and a lot of "I do just fine" comments thrown my way.

Note that I keep my shut about people's gear in-game unless asked, so they're asking me for advice and shunning it, normally because they're too lazy to make better macros.

I don't care about doing just fine, hell I could tank in one static set of gear and do just fine but not only is that boring, I expect more out of my mages, and my melee, and my support, and my other tanks, so I'm gonna min/max as much as I can and know that I'm providing them with the best tank that I can possibly be.

Gear aside, because everyone works with what they have and upgrade as they can, I'm often shocked by how lazy people are in regards to macroing things. It takes such a small amount of time to write a proper set, I just don't understand why someone would HAVE superior setups and not use them because they won't delegate half an hour to revamping macros.

I can't comprehend it so I just stop trying, if anyone beyond my group of friends tries to get me into a PLD gear debate I just placate them, nod my head and say "Yeah cool man".
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#15 Aug 19 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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If I had an Ares Cuirass, I would make it work in just about any situation ^^
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