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#1 Jul 25 2009 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Im currently an Elvaan WAR28/MNK15 n i wanted to do PLD but i wasnt sure if my race was gonna get in the way of being an effective PLD or maybe even if i should consider another job.... (im interested in tanking as a PLD/WAR) thnx for your input.

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 10:14pm by Crunchycookie
#2 Jul 25 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh I like it. PLD natively have a small mp pool (cept for taru) so aside that you'll be ok. Any race can play any job well..just have to do some things differently.
#3 Jul 25 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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you'll be at a slight disadvantage to hume/mithra/taru until level 41 when red mage gets refresh.

after that, every race is pretty much the same as far as EXPing goes.

endgame, i know elvaan and galka used to be considered the best paladin races because of their high HP and VIT. lower MP does not matter when you have 5-9 mp/tick refresh, which is common place at endgame events.

these days, since HP is less important and VIT is generally considered useless, all races are pretty much the exact same for paladin, because most of the important stats are race independant (enmity, haste, fast cast, shield skill).

in short, elvaan paladin is fine, i am actually going to go ahead and say that elvaan and galka still may have the slightest advantage at endgame, because HP is the only real race dependant stat that matters.
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#4 Jul 25 2009 at 8:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elvaan PLD has the best potential for DD. If you like going the DD route (and at 59, at least, you really should give it a try), Elvaan is perfect.

Galka win the VIT/HP battle which, despite not being as necessary any more, is still a VERY helpful thing to have. Galka lose less enmity each time they are hit which means it's easier for them to keep hate on those occasions you can't avoid a hit or four.

Hume and Mithra run a middle of the road approach - decent VIT/STR/DEX (which is really good on Mithra) and a good size MP pool, but again, once refresh enters the scene, max mp is less vital.

Tarus win on sure mp pool size. While you have to be careful of the few things that can one-shot a taru PLD (and you shouldn't be overcamping those mobs for sure), what a Taru lacks in DD or HP potential, they make up for in raw enmity through being able to cure more often.

In the end, each race brings something to PLD. Even Hume and its true middle of the road approach allows a balanced approach to building PLD that takes advantage of the benefits of each race without giving up too much on the other fronts.

Edit: By the way, if you're too worried about your mp pool, learn to carry the ingredients for drinks and learn to craft them in the field (carrying ingredients is more inventory space effective). Getting refresh from the very beginning with the use of juices is highly beneficial until you get a RDM with refresh.

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 10:28pm by Dracoth
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#5 Jul 26 2009 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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With decent support, you'll never have problems with MP.
In ToAU areas, you'll have 3tic refresh by yourself (Sanction/trait + Parade gorget when you need it) Or 4tic in any little downtime you get (vermy)
If you happen to get a rdm or brd in your party (I had RDM main heal from 54-75) you'll have more MP than you know what do to with most of the time.

PLDs don't need a bunch of mp to keep hate with all the tools available, and it's not the PLDs primary job to keep himself cured, it's the mages. He uses cures as another hate tool, or for emergencies.

I had no problem taking Elvaan PLD to 75, and it's incredibly rewarding to play it like a DD all the way up. I can't imagine a single time or party where I had any MP concerns after 25.



Edited, Jul 26th 2009 10:19am by johnnykrysys
#6 Jul 26 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Default
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Elvaan PLD are awesome in my oppinion plus they look legit in the gear, for example adamins gear looks fantastic ~.Ob
#7 Jul 26 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Please tell me the adaman is town gear...
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#8 Jul 27 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
johnnykrysys wrote:
With decent support, you'll never have problems with MP.
In ToAU areas, you'll have 3tic refresh by yourself (Sanction/trait + Parade gorget when you need it) Or 4tic in any little downtime you get (vermy)
If you happen to get a rdm or brd in your party (I had RDM main heal from 54-75) you'll have more MP than you know what do to with most of the time.

PLDs don't need a bunch of mp to keep hate with all the tools available, and it's not the PLDs primary job to keep himself cured, it's the mages. He uses cures as another hate tool, or for emergencies.

I agree with this. When I was leveling in Caedarva Mire (which you'll most likely do in the late 60's to early 70's), I had 5 MP/tic Refresh between Sanction, Auto-Refresh, and RDM Refresh. I found that to be more than enough MP to keep myself sufficiently healed. I didn't need any outside healing unless I was silenced by an imp's Deafening Tantara, or I took some nasty hits.
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#9 Jul 27 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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well thanks guys for all the support, im mad excited to get started on PLD... i just had one more question... im currently WAR28/MNK15, do you recomened PLD/WAR or should i be focusing on another job maybe?
#10 Jul 27 2009 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honest recommendation:
1) Get MNK to 17 if it isn't already.
2) Take WAR to 37 so you don't have to come back to it later.
3) Start leveling PLD to 75
3a) Find the time to take NIN to 37 - you'll want it when you get near 75 (merits/end game tanking/messing around with friends as a PLD on smallish fights)

By doing it this way, you'll be able to make the most use of your time with PLD without having to go back to relevel WAR so your sub isn't gimped. Also, I'll link this for further consideration (yes, some day, I plan on finishing it).
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#11 Jul 27 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
In addition to what Dracoth said, I still advocate leveling SAM as a subjob. Samurai gets job abilities geared towards two-handed weapons, of which Paladin primarily uses staff and great sword. Like NIN, this won't see alot of use until you're closer to 75, but PLD/SAM (especially with a Kinkobo) is nice for farming skeletons and pots, both of which are weak to blunt damage.

Speaking of two-handed weapons, polearm is a little harder to recommend. We have terrible polearm skill, but the Iron Ram Lance seems popular for people going for a damage reduction gear set.

As far as other subjobs, some people will also tell you to level RDM and BLU for various reasons.
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#12 Jul 27 2009 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Elvaan is still the best IMO (i may be a bit biased, since I am elvaan)

I think everyoen will agree end game MP pool is generally not an issue. But Galka's extreamly small mp pool can be tricky to deal with.

In certain events end game HP is critically important.

Elvaan have the second highest hp and have significantly more mp then a galka.

But your a long way from having to worry about that.


I have to agree with whoever said bring materials to make juice. Whenever i am lvling low lvl, i always carry 2-4 stacks of pinapples and 1-2 stack of water crystals. Super cheap and can make a HUGE impact low lvl and all you need is cookign 20 which u can do in about 1-2 hours.




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#13 Jul 27 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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thanx again to all of u, all this will help tremendously... i cant wait to get started on my PLD
#14 Jul 27 2009 at 10:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Late to the game, but I've never regretted being an Elvaan PLD, not once.

It's enough HP to never have to worry about stacking HP gear full-time for fear of dying, and enough MP to easily manage Flash, Reprisal, and enough Curing to keep myself going.

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#15 Aug 20 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Default
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hmpf well im in the same situation as OP (cept im 29war/mnk lol) just a quick question before i unlock paladin...

WHY DOESNT VIT AND HP MATER?!?!?!

or do you mean endgame o.o

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#16 Aug 20 2009 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: banghead RACE DOESN'T @#%^ING MATTER

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#17 Aug 20 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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Long answer short: PLD rides the diminishing return points for almost its whole career. Mob base damage has more of an impact on the damage dealt than mob attack. It's ok to "turtle" up at the beginning, but you'll still see huge rewards by going DD as early as 14.
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#18 Aug 20 2009 at 8:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seraphexzxx wrote:
hmpf well im in the same situation as OP (cept im 29war/mnk lol) just a quick question before i unlock paladin...

WHY DOESNT VIT AND HP MATER?!?!?!

or do you mean endgame o.o

cheers


Short easy answer

VIT doesn't matter because you'd have to wear an assload of VIT and still not take less damage over time than using a proper Shield Skill and - Physical Damage Taken setup. (This is assuming something well over your level)

Blame SE for messed up DEF/VIT formulas, the only thing I tank with a lot of DEF/VIT is Jailer Of Prudence, simply because you can reach a high enough level of DEF on him to make him hit very lightly, and he strips shadows so much that /NIN is pointless.

HP matters to a point, but most of our best gear has HP in addition to more favorable stats. Add in that most hard things are tanked /NIN, and you have even less reason to stack on HP when most attacks are being blinked away.

Short easy answer, if someone wants to get technical, be my guest, it's late.
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#19 Aug 21 2009 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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ohh so for endgame then... cant see much -dmg gear from lvl 1-51 at least :D

so for a noob pld at say lvl 14/15 i should still go with the traditional war belt+1 and stamina rings? etc

(recently i've been partying with plds using great sword and str rings (at lvl 21), which is why i wonderd if anything had dramaticly changed to make vit and hp not needed , lol)
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#20 Aug 21 2009 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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Elvaan's are good for PLD role...






....except how they hold their shield. It annoys the hell out of me





Edited, Aug 21st 2009 7:24am by Niklz
#21 Aug 21 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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It's still not doing as much for you as you think. You see more returns at lower levels, but you'll hold hate better if you start going DD as early as 14. And courage rings are still a no-no. Use mighty rings. Two of them give you STR +2 and Attack +10 which is REALLY broken at that level. Refer to this for more info on playing PLD as a DD tank from level 1-75.
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#22 Aug 21 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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If I were to remake my character I would go Elvaan. Mostly for PLD, but also for the sexyness.
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