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#1 Aug 08 2009 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been reading through the shield skill posts and nothing seems to answer my question. I've been told there is a hard cap or whatever on shield skill so once you go beyond it there's really no point. Typically I go pld/nin macro haste gear for shadows then swap back to a solid tank build relying on shield blocks. My skill is beyond 300 with torque knights earring and boxers mantle and other such pieces. Is there a point when i should stop using shield + gear and just leave other gear on for more hp or def?
#2 Aug 08 2009 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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GarthKujata wrote:
I've been reading through the shield skill posts and nothing seems to answer my question. I've been told there is a hard cap or whatever on shield skill so once you go beyond it there's really no point. Typically I go pld/nin macro haste gear for shadows then swap back to a solid tank build relying on shield blocks. My skill is beyond 300 with torque knights earring and boxers mantle and other such pieces. Is there a point when i should stop using shield + gear and just leave other gear on for more hp or def?


Why are you swapping to shield skill gear after putting shadows up? You can't block a hit when you have a shadow that can absorb it...

Gear for as much haste as possible with shield skill where you can't get haste for :ni, full shield skill with haste where you can't get shield skill for :ichi.

On anything serious you won't hit the shield skill cap so just get as much as you can.

Also, lolknightsearring
#3 Aug 08 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I use a set tanking build i default to with def shield and hp. I use haste for casting to put up shadows. Some mobs spam aoe's and such and drop shadows faster then i'd like for those instances i enjoy having the gear on to block attacks. If however the gear no longer benifits the skill i wouldn't mind just not bothering.

Some mobs like lolgenbu i never need my shield we blink everything for the most part. Other mobs like faust i can't keep shadows up and have pretty much stopped trying. Since we do both mobs in same run i can't /war for one and /nin for other so that's when i gear for blood tanking.
#4 Aug 08 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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So idle in shield skill for Faust and Haste/acc for genbu to spam atonement? I don't understand what the problem seems to be?

For example, all my macros swap in the appropriate stat for whatever action I'm using then swaps back to my standard haste/acc set, but I have a couple other macros that change my idle set for certain mobs that need more shield skill/-pdt or mdb/-mdt. (Too lazy to setup spellcast)

If you're using one idle set for all mobs, you're probably doinitrong.

Again, with shield skill...just keep stacking it. The 300 number is just a nice round number people liked to throw out as the golden standard when it really means nothing.
#5 Aug 08 2009 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes that was my main question is 300 the hard cap or they just talking out their ass?

As for gear options im pretty limited im new to endgame don't have atonement or joyeuse for it. But knowing stuff like this will determine my priority for lotting gear.
#6 Aug 08 2009 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "cap" most people mean when they talk about shield is capping their block rate, not a hard cap on skill.. This requires different amounts of shield skill based on the level of the mob your fighting. You need zero gear at 75 to cap block on a W.Ron bunny. You will NEVER cap shield on a lv 95 wyrm. People dont mean a hard cap on shield skill, but capping block rate which changes based on mob level.

On high level HNMs, because of their level, you wont cap block rate no matter your gear. So if shadows are down, or casting ichi, stuff as much as you possible can on because it will all help. (ni shouldnt matter to much sense you can get it between mob swings easily enough so dont sacrifice haste/fastcast for shield, but never hurts to leave it on as we are human and will mess up timing occasionally or for fighting very fast hitting mobs)

Edited, Aug 8th 2009 11:13pm by Banalaty
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#7 Aug 08 2009 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah ok thanks for that input that seems to be more along the lines of what I'm looking for which might lead to more types of gear change macro's. XD
#8 Aug 08 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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np. It looked like there was a little confusion about the question going on :P

All i know is that theres a balance of shield skill vs mob level and the size shield you use to determine your block rate. If i understand it right, any shield can cap out at ~80% block rate, but it takes different amounts of shield skill (rising with mob level) to reach that point. eg, size 1 bucklers take much less skill for a specific mob than a kite shield on the same mob etc. Im no pld guru, so youll have to get more input from these guys about exactly how much skill you need to cap various things with various shields etc, but id guess for most HNMs, just pile it on with your trusty size 3 kite shields when you dont have shadows up.

If lower level mobs, well no idea how much you need :P

Edited, Aug 9th 2009 12:20am by Banalaty
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#9 Aug 14 2009 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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To be more specific, I wear my Gallant Leggings +1, Shield Torque, and Buckler earring for recasting Utsu:Ichi when shadows are DOWN (it's a separate macro, not in my ichi cast macro). However, as a counter example, I would not swap in Koenig schaller (the 4 or 5 haste you can wear in that slot are too valuable for recast to give up).

When I'm recasting Ichi with a shadow left or when I'm casting Ni, I replace Dusk Boots (no Aurum yet) for Gallant+1 to lower the recast (unless I'm already at recast floor from double march+haste).

As others have said, if shadows are up for any significant amount of time, I basically try to maximize acc and haste. However, some things I tank, I'm recasting shadows or flashing about 90% of the time so I don't even bother with the acc gear macros - just haste or shield skill depending on whether I'm casting with shadows up or down. Sometimes there really is no such thing as "Idle" time.

I'd be willing to bet that there is a formula involved in shield block rate, and even probably a "soft cap", much as there is for other combat skills. However, no one has figured it out to my knowledge.
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#10 Aug 14 2009 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have myself set up so that I start casting Ichi in full Shield Skill & Fast Cast gear, and then swap to full Haste before the casting finishes, which grants me max Shield Skill in case of a stray swing without sacrificing my recasts.

Occasionally lag can mess it up, but the vast majority of the time it goes off without a hitch and I've been able to block a hit, get Ichi off, and still have capped recasts on the spell.

I also highly recommend having all your Haste gear macroed into Reprisal, it's a small thing but getting that recast as low as possible is very helpful if you're having a hard time keeping shadows up on something. (Or tanking something spammy like Odin, who keeps -aga'ing and making Shadows rough to keep up)
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