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#1452 Jan 05 2012 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Raelix wrote:
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I dont see Entropy beating quietus (Guillotine never did despite some claims) even with an INT build and belt/gorget

My rather weak sets, same 133 damage weapon:

Quietus
138 STR, 70 MND.
133+14+8+46+23 = 224 base damage, 3.0 fTP (3.3-4.5 if you really wanna consider attack bonus)

Entropy with Soil/Soil
94 INT (seriously, only +9 INT. I gotta find some new junk...) 5/5
133+14+8+79 = 234 base damage, 3.8-4.55 fTP

So even with a penalty to fSTR from not being in a full STR set, Entropy will still match in base damage with a superior fTP.

If I had Twilight pieces, they would benefit Entropy more, 4+4<10.

I have twilight but I'm not going to bother unlocking entropy to even test it, not worth losing aftermath regardless

I have Shoha 5/5, what else is really needed
#1453 Jan 05 2012 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Finuve wrote:
Oh, I guess Entropy kicks the **** out of Quietus and Redemption is still a joke. Thanks Relax!


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#1454 Jan 05 2012 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Raelix wrote:
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oh look I can rewrite quotes


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your numbers said nothing of the sort, they show entropy beating quietus, but not nearly making up for 600-800 crits in voidwatch and 1300+ crits in abyssea
#1455 Jan 05 2012 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Finuve wrote:
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oh look I can rewrite quotes


You're welcome.
your numbers said nothing of the sort, they show entropy beating quietus, but not nearly and 15-26% more WS damage easily making up for 600-800 crits in voidwatch and 1300+ crits in abyssea ~12% total damage from vastly overrated ODD and you can use a weapon that doesn't have a **** hitbuild capability.

You can shut the f*ck up now. Sorry your Redemption is as trash as it ever was. Enjoy your Heavy Metal Plate hunting.
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#1456 Jan 05 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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where is 15%-26% WS damage coming anywhere near beating 12% total damage?

and I have a penitence +2 like you as well, its not going to beat redemption with entropy doing more damage

Less damage per swing and slower swinging with higher WS damage will not beat higher damage per swing and faster swinging

ill maths it out when I get hmoe, but if I can outparse Caladbolgs(not all mind you its about even with DRKs I beat and DRKs I dont) I can **** sure outparse a DRK spamming entropy

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 3:42pm by Finuve
#1457 Jan 05 2012 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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also dont forget to add the damage Quietus > Quietus darkness brings, thats not possible with entropy

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 3:48pm by Finuve
#1458 Jan 05 2012 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Raelix wrote:
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oh look I can rewrite quotes


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your numbers said nothing of the sort, they show entropy beating quietus, but not nearly and 15-26% more WS damage easily making up for 600-800 crits in voidwatch and 1300+ crits in abyssea ~12% total damage from vastly overrated ODD and you can use a weapon that doesn't have a sh*t hitbuild capability.

You can shut the f*ck up now. Sorry your Redemption is as trash as it ever was. Enjoy your Heavy Metal Plate hunting.

I see you're doing as well as ever.
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#1459 Jan 05 2012 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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shintasama wrote:
I see you're doing as well as ever.

It never gets easier. Someone can still just ignore four paragraphs of 2nd grade math and continue thinking Exclusive WS = Better WS. Maybe I just still have nothing better to do.

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Okay follow me on this. At least 60% of your damage is coming from WS now. 60:40 split. You should have been doing this at level 75 really, and it's only gotten more WS heavy since fTPs and WSCs have gone up but melee damage stays relatively the same.

With Redemption, ODD is a 30% proc rate on 40% of your damage. That's 12% more total damage.

With Redemption, Entropy over Quietus is 26% more damage, even before a decent INT set, on 60% of your damage on all but six mobs in the whole game. That's 15.6% more total damage.

Even if you knock out a 300TP Quietus to start it's only 20% more total damage and it starts winning just because of ODD procs.

So if Entropy is at least equal in performance to Quietus and the ODD procs with the very weapon that is dedicated to Quietus, what the **** other Scythe is going to beat Entropy with anything else?

There is simply no particular reason to use Quietus over Entropy even if you have Redemption! You mentioned just about the only one, self-SC, but Entropy opens and closes Darkness too, and is Gravitation to Quietus's Distortion: You're actually better off going Quietus->Entropy!

You get scaling with TP without needing to be gimpy low on attack, you get a smoother 5-hit, and even bottomless MP is worth mentioning if a bit pointless.

You came in here with this doubt that Entropy beats Quietus. If you aren't going to accept a simple analysis then GTFO and do it yourself already, and don't **** it up by having Gorget+Belt affect only the first hit.

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 3:17pm by Raelix
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#1460 Jan 05 2012 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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60% from WS is wrong, 60% from melee, i stopped reading there, my whole gear set is built for DoT, you're highly underestimating DoT

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 7:08pm by Finuve
#1461 Jan 06 2012 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, but competent DRKs have been between 40:60 and 30:70 since level 75. 60:40? Sure: in Abyssea with completely the wrong atma for DRK, using a low-fTP attack-bonused WS on capped-Ratio targets, and taking no advantage of that attack bonus that makes it anything but a sidegrade of even Guillotine. Your eyeballing of Quietus being anything but marginally better than Guillotine is irrelevant.

Around here that's called 'Doing it wrong'. If you want to play with RR/GH e-peen crits, throw on Roaring Laughter and /MNK too and actually be useful at the same time, else get with the times and put on Apoc, A&O or Lion, and VV or RR depending on what WS you've got (VV for Quietus, RR for Entropy and Guillotine) and learn that DRK's WS spam is still unmatched, despite not doing 4k+, even in Abyssea.

Next you're gonna tell me 5-hit is overrated.
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#1462 Jan 11 2012 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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Just dinged 99 today, went to unlock Resolution and probably gonna do Entropy too since i'm really thinking of building myself an Apocalypse with BST ;)

Just wondering if I should do Caladbold GS or Masamune GKT since my friends are doing an Almace and I get the leftover empyrean xd Is Resolution 5/5 so good that it beats Torcleaver most of the time? If it's the case I might just pick up a Gram or try for OAT GS and get myself a lolmasa for fudo instead xd
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#1464 Jan 12 2012 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Just dinged 99 today, went to unlock Resolution and probably gonna do Entropy too since i'm really thinking of building myself an Apocalypse with BST ;)

Just wondering if I should do Caladbold GS or Masamune GKT since my friends are doing an Almace and I get the leftover empyrean xd Is Resolution 5/5 so good that it beats Torcleaver most of the time? If it's the case I might just pick up a Gram or try for OAT GS and get myself a lolmasa for fudo instead xd


I can't get a parser to work on this computer, but generally speaking I've never seen Torcleaver do anywhere near Resolution.

Tachi: Shoha generally seems better than Fudo as well. Which ever you choose, just use the Empyrean WS for Aftermath then for it's duration spam Resolution/Shoha until the Aftermath needs to be reapplied. Best of both worlds.

#1465 Jan 14 2012 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Got Resolution to 4/5 yesterday night, I must say I'm impressed! Was using my updated Spinning Slash/Ground Strike equip until I got the skill to use it, was pumping out 2k+ WS at 100% P with 1-2-3 upgrades in it with a Jingang GS I got on AH (looks better then Krieg and was 500k cheaper then Gram, which was not on AH at that time...) Think it settled my choice on my leftover Empy XD Thinking about doing Apocalypse and Ragnarok for my DRK, being real casual in dynamis solo would take me between 3-6 months for each ^^ Also unlocked Entropy 1/5 to see how it does :P
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#1467 Jan 24 2012 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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5/5 Resolution!
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#1468 Feb 01 2012 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Houyi's gorget 1/2 :P Hello easier 5-hit ^^
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#1469 Feb 01 2012 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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hyunkyl wrote:
Houyi's gorget 1/2 :P Hello easier 5-hit ^^


I've gotten three.

Kinda sucks because it has to be replaced with ele Gorget for Reso or Ent, so it's not actually very useful in comparison to or a valid replacement for Hagneia stone just as an example.
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#1470 Apr 18 2012 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Major Ding for my DRK: Fulgurante OaT greatsword mine ^^ Now to test that bad boy out since I just finished trading all the **** items in!

Wish it was red like Naglering but I'll settle for blue XD

For whoever going down this path, here's how I've done it :

Up to Krabkatoa,needless to say, quality time solo on DRK!

Krabkatoa: Farmed T1 to T3 on DNC solo, asked BST+TH7 mule friends to duo/trio it without too many problems.

Chasmic Stingers: Solo on THF.

Mikey's Nuggets: Joined exp party on worms(for TE), disbanded party when NM popped, easy solo on BST.

Daybreak souls: Bastion spamming on DRG, just boring...

Incredescent shades: Had 200k+ dominions ops points from exp parties, just long to grab every item one by one...

Silver miirrors and Riftsands: Shouting in jeuno did the trick, costed me about 3 mil when they were selling for 10k a few months back...

To be honest, only the Krabkatoa leg is long, rest was cleared pretty fast ^^

Now to focus on my long-time goal: Apocalypse, here I come! Only 6 months worth of dynamis farming on BST, fun times ahead...

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 12:39pm by hyunkyl
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Yup, I'm stuck on Krab and been taking a solid month break for my secret project now. Sitting on 125 mirrors and 150 sand still.

I'll probably end up coming back to level DNC to do it the same way you did (among other things) since I already have full +1 for the job...

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 10:31am by Raelix
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#1472 Apr 18 2012 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Might as well do it like that, and can always team up with ppl doing T2 and try to ask them to pop T3 if they have or buy their pop ;) 2x BST can duo it np with Raphie or Gerard, just need a THF friend for mucho TH ;)
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Well nice day for DRK, got Ace's mail on the 5th try today and Ogier's gauntlets on the 4th try ^^ (not counting other runs where I didn't had the key items to push blue lights to 550% with Rubicund cells. Only missing Ogier's surcoat for Tping and I can focus on Armada hauberk farming + Apocalypse funds...Anyone got the 99 version and mind posting his/her impressions on the last upgrade(95 to 99)? I see some Umbral marrow go for 20 mil+ on my server, so that cash(100 mil+) could either solidify the scythe or sponsor a good deal of another relic(Gkt or GS comes to mind) if I would get the urge to do so!

P.S. I fell in love again with DRK with OaT Fulgurante, that thing is so much fun 6 hit /war ^^
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Went to Odin NQ pickup today, and scored E.body abjuration 1/1 so I'll be faming my *** off for the -1 for Armada Hauberk shortly ^^

Thoughts on the Rank 3 Gobbiebag prizes for DRK? Huginn Gambieras looks good, and Huginn Gauntlets, Huginn Hose could have situationnal uses too...
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Get a rank 3 win, then worry about it.

I got a Mekira body, 1/5 and first kill of a set, then felt bad because I had to spend the rest of the run pulling a kitten out from under the house (but apparently they started another before the WHM was back anyway).

Finished Abyss +2 hands. Not sure if I still really give half a **** about Diabolic Eye, but it takes just a half dozen NMs to get the limit points back to switch again. Also switched out AF head for Khthoinos over using Mekira-oto for Entropy, but that's for lack of Twilight (only got Knife on a solo run where I had the friggin' GS read for blue and it just wouldn't stick).
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#1476 Jul 14 2012 at 7:58 PM Rating: Decent
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ding 99, no idea what to merit tho, loooking at the choices tho, does it still all work around SELR?
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