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#27 Oct 31 2006 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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This was already discussed, I respond to you with a friendly, no


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Remember that the 1/13 crit rate of the Tredecim does not apply to WS. SO if you plan on doing a NM fight.... /SAM and doing opo necklance to 100%, Guillotine, Meditate, hit Guillotine, ABS-TP hit Guillotine, Icarus Wing Guillotine then you are better off using the higher damage Scythe.


I don't think you can argue that point.

And I also agreed with you on the part for exp parties. I was suggesting Short Fights with Lots of WS like I described above.

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If you're using Spiral **** over Cross Reaper with /THF you shouldn't be unless you're saving to 300% TP, in which case you should use D97/98 Scythe.

Cross Reaper
100%TP
2.00
200%TP
2.25
300%TP
2.50

Spiral ****
100%TP
1.375
200%TP
1.875
300%TP


My comment was for a Party Setting so saving 300% takes a bit too long, even though I don't agree with using Spiral **** like this. I was just say it saves alot of time getting to 300% tp.

But ya, I would use Cross Reaper as well. I usually go TA Guillotine, SA Cross Reaper if I use /THF.
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#28 Oct 31 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Skyra wrote:
Please include the Black Sallet.
+9atk and +5 acc {Yes Please} Better than the NQ Adaman Celata.

Preference. Both have their goodside and bad side. Both are equal in effectiveness with the only difference of 1atk, but if you wanna get down into it more. Cost effectiveness adaman celata > Black Sallet. Cursed celata is about 200-500k, Black sllet is 2-5M. What I stated in my Gear list was best gear as well as going about it while effeciently spending your money. In the end Black Sallet is DRK only as well if need be, where Adaman has WAR to try on as well.

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Best way to go:
Critical Hit lv. 4 - 1, 2, 3, 3
Scythe lv. 8 - 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3
GSWD lv. 4 - 1, 2, 3, 3
Cap Dark Magic - 1, 2, 3, 3
Diabolic Eye & any other job specific, mainly Last Resort effect and Souleater Recast imo. - Merit count depends on which option is merited.


I agree up til you start meriting GSWD. I would cap Dark magic first. Also I would raise STR 1 point since the 1st point is relatively cheap.

Also for Guillotine I found that a Mix of your highest ATK/STR/ACC seems to get better results than just STR/ACC gear.

Also I thnk you forgot to mention the Ranged items like Bomb Core.

Depends on your preference again. Some ppl are greatsword ppl and therefore are more effecient Vs. Gods and HNMs for having GSWD capped as well. If your in a LS that does sky, sea, HNM, then greatsword is used almost always, therefor meriting it early on is effective.

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Bolded are 3 Scythes. Blackjack, if you have you should keep at all times, great for a Dark Magic macro.
Death Scythe/+1. Ori Scythe/+1, use when saving TP.
Tredecim Scythe should be your choice when meleeing no matter what. Unless you have Apoc/Pre-Final stage Relic, there is no reason to not use Tred, it will add roughly 5-7% total to your Critical Hit rate.


I think you should just take the Blackjack out. I think you are just going to confuse people with that one.

I think that Death Scythe +1 and Tritons will do as much Damage as the Tredecim, also they would be more beneficial in short fights that plan on WS more on. Remember that the 1/13 crit rate of the Tredecim does not apply to WS. SO if you plan on doing a NM fight.... /SAM and doing opo necklance to 100%, Guillotine, Meditate, hit Guillotine, ABS-TP hit Guillotine, Icarus Wing Guillotine then you are better off using the higher damage Scythe. In exp party setting you are correct about the Tredecim.

Also, if your subbing thf for Spiral **** in a party setting then Martial Scythe should be used.

Skyra

In XP PTs yes Martial scythe is best /thf. On HNM+God+Sea The higher DMg scythes are best. As for the Tradecim as XP for /war, I still prefer O-T scythe over it, and I have out parsed Tradecim users but thats just me.
#29 Oct 31 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I can See Chivalarous Chain > PCC for WS's...

But for your Tp build... Str is Crap... so just how you going to explain: +5Acc +1.5 Att > +10acc

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Lv55. Royal Guard's Collar. +4acc +4atk, honestly i prefer this over peacock charm. Maybe not as high acc, but other gear combos with this can make up for not having a peacock charm.


I can See this... The Goal of a good Tp Build is eough Acc for 90% hit rate, then as much Att and Haste as possible. I can see someone eatting Sushi taking the -6 Acc for 4 more Att as long as the rest of their gear keeps them in the 90% Acc.

Chivalarous Chain is a Hawt Muti-Hit WS piece till you can use the Gorgets, but other then that its really an overrated piece. In a Tp build I would Take Royal Guard's Collar over it in a Second!
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#30 Oct 31 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Preference. Both have their goodside and bad side. Both are equal in effectiveness with the only difference of 1atk, but if you wanna get down into it more. Cost effectiveness adaman celata > Black Sallet. Cursed celata is about 200-500k, Black sllet is 2-5M. What I stated in my Gear list was best gear as well as going about it while effeciently spending your money. In the end Black Sallet is DRK only as well if need be, where Adaman has WAR to try on as well.


Preference for sure.
I can not find a SKY linkshell that will let me play as little as I do. The time that I can spend is limited to every other Friday for 4-5 hours and about 1hour a day or so 3-4 times a week so that kind of eliminates God gear for me >.<. So I actually find it easier to get Assault/Questable/Buyable items myself. I wish I could get some Hectatomb and Adaman gear but alas I can't put the time in /cry

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#31 Oct 31 2006 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Adding a section for tips/strategies might also be helpful. i.e. controlling hate, when to stun, etc
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#32 Oct 31 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that the 1/13 crit rate of the Tredecim does not apply to WS. SO if you plan on doing a NM fight.... /SAM and doing opo necklance to 100%, Guillotine, Meditate, hit Guillotine, ABS-TP hit Guillotine, Icarus Wing Guillotine then you are better off using the higher damage Scythe.



I don't think you can argue that point.


I get what you're saying but it sounds like you're referring to a Maat fight in which you don't have a subjob or an NM with enough HP to where you would need to rip off 4 guillotines, that A)you should not be fighting alone and B)should be subbing NIN for if it requires that much and you are soloing. So while I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with the way you're illustrating it and overall I disagree anyways, but I think that as many other points made here are personal preference. Smiley: smile
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#33 Oct 31 2006 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Seeing as the comment went mostly ignored, I would like to second this motion:
Basilxii wrote:
Needs more greataxe and shield break til 40~.
#34 Oct 31 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Wasn't ignored, read the end of my post.

2 people doesn't constitute as overwhelming Smiley: smile

Edited, Oct 31st 2006 at 2:20pm PST by Disifer
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#35 Oct 31 2006 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Basilxii wrote:
Needs more greataxe and shield break til 40~.


1 more =P

Me wrote:
But for your Tp build... Str is Crap... so just how you going to explain: +5Acc +1.5 Att > +10acc

Chivalarous Chain is a Hawt Muti-Hit WS piece till you can use the Gorgets, but other then that its really an overrated piece. In a Tp build I would Take Royal Guard's Collar over it in a Second!


Some one wanna Field that one for me? Some of you seem to not be very big fans of the P.Charm...
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#36 Oct 31 2006 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I get what you're saying but it sounds like you're referring to a Maat fight in which you don't have a subjob or an NM with enough HP to where you would need to rip off 4 guillotines, that A)you should not be fighting alone and B)should be subbing NIN for if it requires that much and you are soloing. So while I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with the way you're illustrating it and overall I disagree anyways, but I think that as many other points made here are personal preference.


Actually I was referring directly to the Tenzen Fight in COP.

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#37 Oct 31 2006 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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Edited in Great Axe options and WS.

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Still a few things missing, though, like Ice Gauntlets (look to be the best hand eq for Guillotine, period), but no one knows how to get those, yet. Still probably worth mention, however.


Uh, /sarcasm right? 4STR and 4ACC > 11STR or 8STR/4DEX or 11ATK/5ACC? Smiley: confused

Edited, Oct 31st 2006 at 3:34pm PST by Disifer
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#38 Oct 31 2006 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Do make note that from 30-43 greataxe skill >= scythe/gsword skill due to /war and axe belt.

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I will let Renzou know to note that in her post, edited into mine.
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#40 Oct 31 2006 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to seem picky but you forgot Tarasque Mitts (+1) in the hand options 70+. :D
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#41 Oct 31 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Lord Disifer wrote:
Uh, /sarcasm right?


Not really, though in regular fashion I overworded it.

renzoukan wrote:
What I stated in my Gear list was best gear as well as going about it while effeciently spending your money.


So far as 11STR goes, I cannot even begin to afford Anky's (or Palla's) bracelets, there's other gear I'd rather get first, and the -DEX(-ACC) on all Gigas-class bracelets makes me cringe pre-Scythe merits. Post-merits? Sure.

Didn't even think about Heca Mitts, honestly. (I blame being awake for 20 some-odd hours with minimal caffeine...and, uh, other things which remove me from any and all blame. OMG I'M LIEK NOT TEH G1MP!!!1!). In hindsight, these seem to be the best option thus far. So far as the adaman hands go, I was under the impression that STR was more beneficial than ATT, and I'm already eating meat and subbing /WAR for TPburns, so I have a metric ton of ATT to begin with - I'd much rather have the STR+ than the ATT, and until Heca Mitts/AF+1 the Ice gauntlets are the best piece of EQ for Guillotine without sacrificing ACC.

I guess I'd tier it like this:

Pre-merits: Heca-Mitts >= AF+1 > Ice Gauntlets > Adaman > Alky/Palla/Enke's bracelets.
Post-merits: Alky/Palla/etc. > Heca >=AF+1 > Ice > Adaman

Not quite sure where the black/onyx hands would fit in all this, if at all. These are all things I'll need to test out extensively for myself when I get there, but for all intents and purposes, at my level range, Ice Guantlets > All for Guillotine.

Edited, Oct 31st 2006 at 4:54pm PST by firefeng
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#42 Oct 31 2006 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I swap in enky bracelets when using Rampage on War and tbh, the -Dex does not hurt me at all. Unless we are overhunting, I almost always land all 4-5 hits with a full str swap.

You also have to remember that Drk spends a good amount of time subbing thf where the -dex isnt going to hurt them at all.

In the end I'd take enky bracelets over heca mitts mainly for the fact that if I ever have a chance to upgrade to pallas or alky, I can. I can sell enk bracelets back and not be stuck with rare/ex item that cost me several mil
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#43 Oct 31 2006 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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Or just make your linkshell pay for them like any respectable sky ls does..?
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#44 Oct 31 2006 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Very comprehensive guide, well rounded, only thing I was a bit confused about was when you were comparing race stats. You did lvl 1 without a SJ (thats fine, np, easy enough to calculate), but then at 50 you added /war (again, understandable), however at 75, you didn't specify whether or not you had /war included in that or not. I'm assuming you didn't as Galkas as /war have 77 Base str, not 67 was it?

Also, whether or not you are using a sub in that calculation or not, only thing I have to add is Galka Base MP at 75 is 143, not 188. Although, I have this whacked theory that there are discrepencies in each race, I talked to another galka DRK who said his base mp without gear was 151, not 143, so idk whats up with that.

I know I'm gettin on people's nerves about haste bonus from maxing out desperate blows, but its still an option if someone is thinking about going /SAM for endgame. I've personally found the Haste bonus from Hasso, gear, spell, and Desperate blows (fully merit'd is +15% every 5 minutes or so) which works wonders with our 2hr since it kinda sucks at 3 swings while in effect on average. So maybe you could add that just as something for people to think about.

Overall, very nice thread guys and girls. Makes me wish I didn't use an MP belt for like 5 lvls eh disi?
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#45 Nov 01 2006 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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Makes me wish I didn't use an MP belt for like 5 lvls eh disi?


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#46 Nov 01 2006 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I've personally found the Haste bonus from Hasso, gear, spell, and Desperate blows (fully merit'd is +15% every 5 minutes or so) which works wonders with our 2hr since it kinda sucks at 3 swings while in effect on average. So maybe you could add that just as something for people to think about.


Buy a mercurial kris or a low damage dagger/sword and macro it in when you use your 2hr. You will get plenty of hits in, AND you wont have to waste the merits on Desperate blows.

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#47 Nov 01 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Merman's Gorget should be added (Lvl 56 I believe +5acc, one over the RK collar) Yeah maybe the +1 acc more isn't significant but... I used it till I got a chain.

Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 9:42am PST by Zaeeth
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#48 Nov 01 2006 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Catastrophe also has a drain effect that can go through shadows and drain up to 25%HP corresponding with WS damage and you can also be granted a Haste effect.


Yes WS does grow through shadows but not Pld/Thf two hr (granted they aren't shadows. HP drained can be 25-50% but sometimes procs to 100% WS damage. BUT ALWAYS PROCS some soort of HP drain but never less then 25%. Haste is 10-15% for given period of time depended on TP before WS.

30sec = 100tp
45sec = 200tp
60sec = 300tp


Very nice guide. If your using Dex rings in the 50's shoot yourself.


Bout subs

Drg and thf best for HNM/Sky stuff
Sam and war will always be your go to subs. at 73+ it's nothing but TP burn parties from here.
Nin is just to keep your *** alive and not be an MP sponge.




Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 10:06am PST by UNCTGTG

Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 10:07am PST by UNCTGTG
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#49 Nov 01 2006 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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To Renzou and Disifer:

I was looking through the mnk forums when I found this little treasure:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=11&mid=1120455058347172480&num=35

It's a DPS chart for all of the top h2h weapons from 58-75.

I'm not very good at math so I couldn't figure out the numbers but I was wondering if either of you could figure out a way to work something like this in?

With the scythe and gswords and whatnot.

Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 11:15am PST by DrkMateo
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#50 Nov 01 2006 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Something like that is really hard to due. The DOT of a weapon is really dependant on a number of things.

1) Damage
2) Delay
3) Swings to 100% TP
4) WS damage
5) Additional Effects
6) +ATK/+STR/+ACC/+DEX

I have a spreadsheet that I use to calculate these things. This takes into account everything I have above. The order changes depending on what gear I am using.

I wont use numbers because my spreadsheet actually used relative numbers because of the variables involved but The order goes as follows.

Apocalypse
Buhamut's Scythe /shrug, I dont know it works out that way.
Tredecim
Volunteer (while in assault)
Triton's
Death +1
O-Scythe
Death
Y's Scythe
Martial Scythe
Garuda's Scythe
Grave Digger

And so on. This was using /SAM with a medium haste build. Also the differences between each scythe is very small when your at the Death Scyteh and higher minus the Apolcalypse.

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#51 Nov 01 2006 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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I can have a DPS explination up tonight just gimme time to do some photo work.
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