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i dont know very many people that have 10mil collecting dust that might as well be spent on a weapon they would only use every 2 hours at maximum, and only for 30 seconds every 2 hours :\

wow seriously.. only 30 fishing skill? i was always under the impression that you needed to pull up a legendary fish with like 100 fishing skill. if you only need 30 thats not bad at all then. i might look into questing that then, but there is also the fact that, my fishing is lvl 12 lol, and i spent no joke 3 days of fishing for 4-5 hours plus trying to skillup without getting a single skillup... and iwas in the cheval river outside sandy going for the cheval salmon i think, w/e the fish is you can skillup from 11-20 or something on in that river. so i gave up :( and this was after all the fishing updates



so skyra since you have one, whats it like on your 2hour? how does the dmg/drain stack up over the 30 seconds vs. doing 150 or 200 with your scythe 2-3 times?

im assuming your not subbing ninja so you cant sub the kris with something else main?

Does Parade Gorget deserve a reference somewhere? Just a thought. It's a decently useful piece but very situational.

Nope, the damage from thr Kris with souleater comes 95% from souleater. A regular hit from the Kris on these mobs (without SE/BW) would probably do 5-10 damage or about 20-40 in the time it takes to swing your scythe for 150-200 damge.

The hits for 150 from dagger are about 140 from SE/BW and 10 from regular hit.
The hits for 300+ from Scythe are about 140 from SE/BW and 160 from regular hits.

As you can see, Kris is gimped DOT without SE and will kill you without BW.

/cheers

Skyra

Its DoT is Terrible. All the Dmg you are doing is from SE.

It Avg's 2 Hits a round... so think of is as a weapons with 16dmg and 192 Delay...

Good Thf wont Touch them becuase they are less then 1/2 the Dps of a Normal Dagger

A better way would to think of them as 8 damage with 96 delay because the damage gets increased per swing by fSTR. Just with double th tp gain.

They are actually not less than half the DOT of normal daggers even at 75. They are roughly 14% lower in DOT than a regular dagger. Thats not even factoring in the 20-30% more weapon skills you get because of the tp gain. I think its "usable" by a thf because of their tendancy to duel wield and natrual high dagger skill, just not a DRk for regular tp gain.

But ya the DOT sucks.

Skyra

If you could hit those number it would not be half bad really. How much do you usually hit for /swing? 200? Thats once every 8.8 seconds.

If you could actually hit 38 even 30 damage a swing with the Kris it would be pretty crazy (compared to what it actually does) damage. You do realize that a typical damage from a thf is 50 damage a swing right? You also know that the damage is multiplied by 2 for the Kris right? Using those number I do not think anyone would laugh at 72 damage every 3.2 seconds or about 214 damage every 8.8 seonds (delay of our scythe)

realalistically they will hit for 50 with a Blau (33 damage) and about 18 with Kris (36 if you multiply by 2) thats a 14% reduction in damage /attack round. Also they are getting about 20-30%(triple attack cant proc on dagger from thf is the weapon procs first I think) more tp with the kris than if they had a regular dagger /attack round. You WS more but do less damage because of off hand dagger. So the quesion would be, can the number of WS done make up for the 14% dot loss?

Like I said, its "Usable" meaning that you can make it work. But the DOT is horrible and I agree that for the most part it should be left to SE/BW DRK.

Skyra

Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 1:09pm PST by Skyra

Sorry I kill birds while I watch TV with my wife so I don't pay much attention to anything else that goes on, cast a few debuffs and then drain every once in a while lol.

My play times are so random and the time span is so random thats its hard for me to actually do anything productive as a party >.<

Skyra


Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 9:05am PST by Skyra

No, /NIN to save yourself and not be an MP drain.

In my opinion, good gear gets you so far, but knowing what to do matters the most. Instead of listing all the gear and telling what subjobs to make, how about giving some real advice.

The first step in being a good DRK is knowing how to stun. Stun is the reason why DRKs are more useful in my opinion than other DD jobs. Learn to be quick with stun and you are better than most DRKs.

Another way to be a good DRK is to utilize your Absorb spells, and not just Absorb-TP. When you fight a mob that seems impossible to hit, toss in an Absorb-AGI. Taking 20-25 AGI away from the mob makes it easier to hit.

Have all sub jobs leveled, not just thief, warrior, and samurai. I have NIN, RDM, WHM, BLM, DRG, WAR, SAM, THF, BST, and RNG all leveled to sub if the occasion calls for it. Why be mediocre and have just DRK/THF or DRK/WAR when you can have fun with DRK/WHM or DRK/RDM. DRK/SAM is a good choice, but for maximum damage with survival, I stick with DRK/THF. Seigan and Hasso add too much delay to my spells and DRK doesn't need a longer timer on Stun.

And make sure to cap your magic skills. So many times I've gotten complements on how high my drain is or how I helped sleep a link in an XP party. Every little bit helps for being a better DRK. Gear is one thing, but doing the little things that gil can't buy is what makes you a better than average DRK.

EDIT: And for the love of god, keep scythe, greatsword, axe, sword, and great axe capped. You'll need to have certain weapons for certain type of mobs.

EDIT: I use parade gorget all the time. As long as you stay above 85% HP you get 1 tick per second. I never run out of MP while other DRKs do.


Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 8:09pm PST by Youngjin

Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 8:14pm PST by Youngjin

lol



Yes, why be mediocre leveling with the most useful subjobs available to drk when you can be an exp leech and sub whm or rdm.



Please give me one situation, post 60, where having sword, axe, and great axe capped will benefit your party in any way. And please don't say for skill chains because great sword and scythe can pretty much cover all the ones needed, not to mention that the drop in your DoT and ws damage is going to hurt the party more than that slight boost in the blm's magic burst helps.

Some people still have non-tanks use Spirits Within on gods and HNMs? :/

How can some one call you gimp for not having a weapon or subjob leveled that will only hinder your performance and slow the party down?

No, /party disband if the tank can't hold hate off of you when you're not being stupid about your job abilities and weapon skills. /THF post-66 if you're still having hate problems. SATA Guillotines bring a tear to my eye. The bad, Indian-staring-at-all-the-world's-pollution kind of tear.

Beyond that, Stun is just the icing on the cake, because if you're not doing close to equal (or better) damage than the 'best' DD jobs, then you're probably doing something wrong. Superior damage is the reason you invite a DRK.

If you find a mob that's impossible to hit, switch in more ACC gear. If it's still hard to hit, eat sushi. If it's still hard to hit, you're overcamping. Absorbs have their time and their place, but no absorb on any single mob is going to account for the loss of one of your swings, damage-wise, the exceptions being Abs-STR before a WS, or before you first hit the mob as it's being pulled.

Honestly, most of your post, Youngjin, was a modicum of common sense intermixed with gross amounts of extraneous (or occasionally just plain wrong) information. Given what I've seen on my own server, a lot of DRKs would be better off reading Renzou's and Lord "The City of Dis" Disifer's post before they start to whinge about how "oh, even though I only hit for 70 damage a scythe swing with 30% accuracy, I'm totally on top of things with my stuns and I was even able to sleep that one add for about 5 seconds before it woke up and the BRD had to resleep it, and then I Absorb-VIT'd and liek all the people did twice as much damage YAYZ0RZ LOLDRKZ!!!1!"

EDIT: Keep G. Sword and Scythe capped. You can cap Club and/or Dagger, too, assuming you're filthy rich, and want to go through the trouble of killing things repetitively to skill weapons just so you can be awesome every two hours...Other weapons are optional, and if someone tells you that you're better off using such-and-such weapon over scythe/g.sword/KC at, oh, I don't know, post-60?, I kindly request that you shoot them in their offensive, falsehood-spouting pieholes with a large calibre gun.

EDIT: I use Yag Drinks all the time. It means I can have ACC+5, STR+3, and Store TP+1 on my neck slot while still never running out of MP.



Actually, this place has gotten a little better as of late, just comparing the post topics, now, compared to even two-three weeks ago. Moreover, I kind of hate going to KI because EVERY FREAKING PAGE TAKES 10 @#%^ING MINUTES TO LOAD WITH MAH' UBAR CABLEZ INTERNETZ. NO WEBPAGE SHOULD DO THAT, EVER. That, and it sometimes reeks of that "internet troll circle-jerk" that top dogs in certain isolated web communities get going every now and then.

It has some good info if you feel like sorting through inflated egos/inflated chain-signatures...plus I can be a little less nice if I'm there compared to here. Dumb auto-censorship. D:

I'm not saying use them in EXP. Not at all.


I'm saying, a DRK with Sword Scythe Greatsword Axe Greataxe > A Greatsword Scythe DRK.

We can use a couple swords that do "piercing damage." They just have very low attack for us. The majority of the swords that do piercing damage are Fleurets or Epee style swords, primarily used by either PLD or RDM. DRG can also use them, if they so intend to do so, it'd be retarded, since most lances do piercing.

As forementioned, DRK using sword is mainly for show, nothing else:

1) If Spirits Within does more damage against gods or HNMs than your Ground Strike or Spiral Hell, go shoot yourself.

2) The only one worth having being a Ridill(dream gear for 99% of us) which should only be used for SE+BW. Past that your DoT should still be higher w/ Scythe.

I've skilled up Axe, Sword, Marksmanship, Great Axe. But I did it mainly because I was sick of my stats not being blue.... They aren't worth all that much under any circumstance, just a cool thing to do LOL.

Save the newer generation of DRK's some brain trauma, and list these as things that we could cap, but aren't really needed.

Rapier type swords do piercing damage. I believe bilbo type also do piercing damage. You could use mailbreaker or tutelary.



Dagger is also a reliable source of piercing damage. You could use mercurial kris. I thought Limbus was important. Also Jailer of Temperance has certain weapon immunities. Who knows, if SE did so much of it with Sea, don't you think that the ToAU areas might have monsters with certain weapon type immunities?

Sea is important, do you agree? That's why we have sea LS's. Why woudln't it be important to have all weapons leveled if you are part of a sea LS?

And last time I checked, DRK had no staff skill. What level is your staff Lefian?

*EDIT*


This topic is titled "How to be a better than average DRK" not "How to be a DRK."



Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 4:54pm PST by Youngjin

Sub WAR. Not the same, but you still have Satff skill. I'm not replying to the rest of this idiocy, this is exactly why 80% of DRKs' across all servers are idiots and form their own parties.

Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 5:11pm PST by Disifer

I give up on this post. Follow this guide and you'll be the BEST DRK on your server. Because these people said so.

Being home makes me take part in these stupid forums where one person tries to convince their e-peen is bigger. DRK is fun. Learn your spells, and experiment with different things. That'll make you better than you used to be.

No but apparently not having a life and leveling 3 to 75, including BST, is a good enough excuse for you correct?



Re-read what I said princess. Here, I'll quote it for you.





Yes, you're right, Ren, we have to edit our posts, all we put in there was to level GSWD & Scythe for weapons and Warrior and Thief for subjobs. We should just give our accounts to Youngjin for him to type it so we may bask in his power.




Always easier to run, then again I guess you shouldn't be up past your bedtime either.

lol your e-peen so so much bigger. I will go to sleep now since it's past my bedtime. And stop spending all my time posting on allakhazam.

Actually, maybe you should stay up past your bedtime and study English. There should be a comma after bedtime and before "And." With that said, "And" should not be capitalized.

You tried to bail from the thread like a bitch once and failed, stop making yourself look like more of an ass. I have more experience in DRK in my mouse finger than you do your pre-pubescent little cranium and more EVERYTHING in RL in the stray pubic hair my razor missed than you have in your entire body. Gtfo.

Hmmm, do I ever do Gods or HNMs?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I do, unless I'm having some sort of odd delusion.

www.wingsofdestiny.org

Listen, if I EVER see a DRK using a Bilbo class weapon, I will continually ridicule him until he gets rid of it. It's pathetic at best.

You're better off equipping MP gear and getting all of the elemental staffs, and start casting Elemental spells. Seriously...

I'll use a GA from time to time, but mainly on things that don't have much evasion or DEF. For instance, when I help out people on G1 and G2, I'll whip out a GA, and go to town. Why? Because I felt like something other than green Skittles at the moment. Just goofing off and having fun. To try and be serious about using a Bilbo, c'mon. Sub /RNG and Slugshot with a crossbow, you'll do a sh** ton more damage.

As for the open attacks on Renz and LD, I'm positive they can handle anything you got to throw at them. These are 2 respected DRK's in the community. They have respect for a reason, not because they demand it, because they've earned it.

**Know your role**

hehe...

The sad thing is, after this weekend, I won't ever come to Alla to look at forums. I'm doing this because it's fun to watch people get so worked up and then insult other people ONLINE to make themselves feel better. Come tomorrow, I'll be back to my life at school and will forget about this topic forever. Everyone else will continue to write about how wrong and dumb I am and blah blah blah.

Yes, I will continue for tonight to post and post and post, just to see how low you guys will go to insult someone online for their interpretation of better than average DRK.