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#77 Nov 03 2006 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Some people still have non-tanks use Spirits Within on gods and HNMs? :/
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#78 Nov 03 2006 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I call it basil's theory of one-upmanship.

While you'll likely never -need- it,

Someone with them leveled can call you gimp for not having it.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 11:08pm PST by Basilxii
#79 Nov 03 2006 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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How can some one call you gimp for not having a weapon or subjob leveled that will only hinder your performance and slow the party down?
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#80 Nov 04 2006 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
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Simple.

This is Allakhazam, not KI. On KI we have 2-3 people who consistently spew ****, the rest know what they're talking about, and if not, ask and do what they're responded to with tweaking to their need. Here, its this guy told me this so its better than that.
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#81 Nov 04 2006 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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No, /NIN to save yourself and not be an MP drain.


No, /party disband if the tank can't hold hate off of you when you're not being stupid about your job abilities and weapon skills. /THF post-66 if you're still having hate problems. SATA Guillotines bring a tear to my eye. The bad, Indian-staring-at-all-the-world's-pollution kind of tear.

Beyond that, Stun is just the icing on the cake, because if you're not doing close to equal (or better) damage than the 'best' DD jobs, then you're probably doing something wrong. Superior damage is the reason you invite a DRK.

If you find a mob that's impossible to hit, switch in more ACC gear. If it's still hard to hit, eat sushi. If it's still hard to hit, you're overcamping. Absorbs have their time and their place, but no absorb on any single mob is going to account for the loss of one of your swings, damage-wise, the exceptions being Abs-STR before a WS, or before you first hit the mob as it's being pulled.

Honestly, most of your post, Youngjin, was a modicum of common sense intermixed with gross amounts of extraneous (or occasionally just plain wrong) information. Given what I've seen on my own server, a lot of DRKs would be better off reading Renzou's and Lord "The City of Dis" Disifer's post before they start to whinge about how "oh, even though I only hit for 70 damage a scythe swing with 30% accuracy, I'm totally on top of things with my stuns and I was even able to sleep that one add for about 5 seconds before it woke up and the BRD had to resleep it, and then I Absorb-VIT'd and liek all the people did twice as much damage YAYZ0RZ LOLDRKZ!!!1!"

EDIT: Keep G. Sword and Scythe capped. You can cap Club and/or Dagger, too, assuming you're filthy rich, and want to go through the trouble of killing things repetitively to skill weapons just so you can be awesome every two hours...Other weapons are optional, and if someone tells you that you're better off using such-and-such weapon over scythe/g.sword/KC at, oh, I don't know, post-60?, I kindly request that you shoot them in their offensive, falsehood-spouting pieholes with a large calibre gun.

EDIT: I use Yag Drinks all the time. It means I can have ACC+5, STR+3, and Store TP+1 on my neck slot while still never running out of MP.

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Here, its this guy told me this so its better than that.


Actually, this place has gotten a little better as of late, just comparing the post topics, now, compared to even two-three weeks ago. Moreover, I kind of hate going to KI because EVERY FREAKING PAGE TAKES 10 ******* MINUTES TO LOAD WITH MAH' UBAR CABLEZ INTERNETZ. NO WEBPAGE SHOULD DO THAT, EVER. That, and it sometimes reeks of that "internet troll circle-jerk" that top dogs in certain isolated web communities get going every now and then.

It has some good info if you feel like sorting through inflated egos/inflated chain-signatures...plus I can be a little less nice if I'm there compared to here. Dumb auto-censorship. D:
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#82 Nov 04 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
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You guys ever do NMs or events that are immune to certain type of weapons? Maybe that's a little out of your league, but end game DRK needs to have everything capped. This is "How to be a better than average DRK" not how to be a DRK.

The things I posted is better than average. /NIN is probably the safest way to dish out damage during events w/o having yourself lolpwned. How can you say that it's wrong to have your sub jobs leveled? /WHM is an excellent way to cap your enfeebling magic - spam dia. I'm not saying that you'll /WHM in xp parties, but I have been asked to /WHM so I don't take so much hate. Ever do that you above average DRKs?

It's not a question of is this the best sub job. It's making yourself above and beyond. Level sword and you can do piercing damage. What's so hard to understand? I thought this post was to be better then the average joe. Keeping GS and Scythe is standard - any DRK that doesn't do it sucks.

And my sleeps last a lot longer than 5 seconds. I start sleep > sleep II > stun when awake. Maybe it's a little hard to understand without having tried it before.

Try it out - you'll be better than average, I promise.
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#83 Nov 04 2006 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not saying use them in EXP. Not at all.


I'm saying, a DRK with Sword Scythe Greatsword Axe Greataxe > A Greatsword Scythe DRK.
#84 Nov 04 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Level sword and you can do piercing damage.


90% of Swords are slashing damage, I believe the other 10% are unusable by DRK and even then their WS dmg is still Slashing. Great Axe always does slashing, axe also always does slashing.

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You guys ever do NMs or events that are immune to certain type of weapons? Maybe that's a little out of your league, but end game DRK needs to have everything capped. This is "How to be a better than average DRK" not how to be a DRK.


Apparently it's out of your league you since you think sword does piercing damage.

If you want to do piercing damage use dagger, want to do blunt damage use staff. The only time I can think of having to use either for their damage type is in limbus.

Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 1:09pm PST by Lefian

Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 1:10pm PST by Lefian
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#85 Nov 04 2006 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
We can use a couple swords that do "piercing damage." They just have very low attack for us. The majority of the swords that do piercing damage are Fleurets or Epee style swords, primarily used by either PLD or RDM. DRG can also use them, if they so intend to do so, it'd be retarded, since most lances do piercing.

As forementioned, DRK using sword is mainly for show, nothing else:

1) If Spirits Within does more damage against gods or HNMs than your Ground Strike or Spiral ****, go shoot yourself.

2) The only one worth having being a Ridill(dream gear for 99% of us) which should only be used for SE+BW. Past that your DoT should still be higher w/ Scythe.

I've skilled up Axe, Sword, Marksmanship, Great Axe. But I did it mainly because I was sick of my stats not being blue.... They aren't worth all that much under any circumstance, just a cool thing to do LOL.

Save the newer generation of DRK's some brain trauma, and list these as things that we could cap, but aren't really needed.
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#86 Nov 04 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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We have a few bilbo class weapons that all suck.
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#87 Nov 04 2006 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
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Apparently it's out of your league you since you think sword does piercing damage.


Rapier type swords do piercing damage. I believe bilbo type also do piercing damage. You could use mailbreaker or tutelary.

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If you want to do piercing damage use dagger, want to do blunt damage use staff. The only time I can think of having to use either for their damage type is in limbus.


Dagger is also a reliable source of piercing damage. You could use mercurial kris. I thought Limbus was important. Also Jailer of Temperance has certain weapon immunities. Who knows, if SE did so much of it with Sea, don't you think that the ToAU areas might have monsters with certain weapon type immunities?

Sea is important, do you agree? That's why we have sea LS's. Why woudln't it be important to have all weapons leveled if you are part of a sea LS?

And last time I checked, DRK had no staff skill. What level is your staff Lefian?

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Save the newer generation of DRK's some brain trauma, and list these as things that we could cap, but aren't really needed.


This topic is titled "How to be a better than average DRK" not "How to be a DRK."



Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 4:54pm PST by Youngjin
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#88 Nov 04 2006 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Youngjin wrote:
You guys ever do NMs or events that are immune to certain type of weapons? Maybe that's a little out of your league, but end game DRK needs to have everything capped. This is "How to be a better than average DRK" not how to be a DRK.

#1 The only point i see in having everything set-up is for braging rights. DRK has 2 priorities.
1.Spike Damage
2.Stun Timing
Leveling Great axe, axe, sword, etc... and having every single subjob known to man for DRK is ok. Is it needed? No. XP wise u only need war,thf,drg,nin,sam as the possible subs. As for Big fights like HNM,God,Wyrm,etc.. you use /thf, /nin, or possibly /sam to tp up for SPirits within. Honestly if your gonna be a DRK/WHM, DRK/RDM, DRK/WHM to help out on fights you can't melee or spike in by Stunning and healing or doing w/e spells, plz disband right now. We can get a BLM/WHM, RDM/DRK, etc.. who can Stun and also do much more for the PT and alliance then we can subbing whm, rdm, blm, or w/e.

And to be straight forward. Me and Disifer's guide "IS" how to be a better then average DRK, why? Because 95% of DRKs are idiots. So if you like, we can change our guide to "How to be better then that idiot DRK over there {/point} Guide". WHat your saying is what you "COULD" do after you did everything your suppose to do first. But again, those extra subs and skilled up weapons mean nothing because if your going to do your job in a big fight, your not gonna have a @#%^ed up sub or used a weapon that has gimp skill even capped for a DRK now are ya?

As for the DRK level sword so you can do piercing damage? THats the dumbest reason I ever heard. If your gonna level it, level it for Spirits within. level sword for piercing omg hahahaa..... Yea and tell a DRG to go level sword to while your at it. Tell them they can be better by leveling a sword. A sword for DRG is pointless, just like having a DRK use sword for piercing...

If you need to nto use Slash, grab a crude sword and do Blunt damage. That simple.



Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 5:07pm PST by renzoukan
#89 Nov 04 2006 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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And last time I checked, DRK had no staff skill. What level is your staff Lefian?


Sub WAR. Not the same, but you still have Satff skill. I'm not replying to the rest of this idiocy, this is exactly why 80% of DRKs' across all servers are idiots and form their own parties.

Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 5:11pm PST by Disifer
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#90 Nov 04 2006 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
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Have you even fought mobs in sea?

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If you need to nto use Slash, grab a crude sword and do Blunt damage. That simple.


Why would you have sword leveled anyways if you are talking about how it's not needed?

The things you are saying in this little guide of yours is how to BE a DRK. Any DRK that doesn't have scythe + greatsword leveled is noob. Any of them that don't have /WAR /THF at least are noobs. You think because you reach lv 75 you are pro?

/WAR doesn't gives you lv 37 staff skill if you are capped at 37. Like you'll hit anything with that.



Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 5:15pm PST by Youngjin
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#91 Nov 04 2006 at 5:17 PM Rating: Default
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I give up on this post. Follow this guide and you'll be the BEST DRK on your server. Because these people said so.

Being home makes me take part in these stupid forums where one person tries to convince their e-peen is bigger. DRK is fun. Learn your spells, and experiment with different things. That'll make you better than you used to be.
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#92 Nov 04 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello, new drk here and I'd like to be the best I can. I like your guide so far, but have a few questions:

If possible, I was wondering if you could elaborate on the gear selection. For example, you recommended the thick mufflers(+3 acc +3 attt)but nothing else (aside from the enke's for WS). However, the Tarraque mitts(+10 att) seem a better choice (albiet a more expensive choice-220k vs. 20k). I realize you listed other highend choices (god drops) but not every drk will get these items.

Although I am still new to drk, the ommision of the Tarrasque Mitts makes me wonder what other omissions there may be. Perhaps Tarrasque Mitts aren't good for drk, and I'm wrong about this. In that case, please ignore my ramblings.

Another question: As a drg, I have 2 hate shedding abilities, in contrast, it seems all of the drk's abilities garner hate. A little advice on how to effectively ride the hate-line would be helpful.

Thanks for all the work you guys put in.
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#93 Nov 04 2006 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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You think because you reach lv 75 you are pro?


No but apparently not having a life and leveling 3 to 75, including BST, is a good enough excuse for you correct?

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/WAR doesn't gives you lv 37 staff skill if you are capped at 37. Like you'll hit anything with that


Re-read what I said princess. Here, I'll quote it for you.

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Sub WAR. Not the same, but you still have Satff skill


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The things you are saying in this little guide of yours is how to BE a DRK. Any DRK that doesn't have scythe + greatsword leveled is noob. Any of them that don't have /WAR /THF at least are noobs


Yes, you're right, Ren, we have to edit our posts, all we put in there was to level GSWD & Scythe for weapons and Warrior and Thief for subjobs. We should just give our accounts to Youngjin for him to type it so we may bask in his power.


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I give up on this post. Follow this guide and you'll be the BEST DRK on your server. Because these people said so.

Being home makes me take part in these stupid forums where one person tries to convince their e-peen is bigger. DRK is fun. Learn your spells, and experiment with different things. That'll make you better than you used to be.


Always easier to run, then again I guess you shouldn't be up past your bedtime either.
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#94 Nov 04 2006 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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If you need to nto use Slash, grab a crude sword and do Blunt damage. That simple.

Why would you have sword leveled anyways if you are talking about how it's not needed?

The things you are saying in this little guide of yours is how to BE a DRK. Any DRK that doesn't have scythe + greatsword leveled is noob. Any of them that don't have /WAR /THF at least are noobs. You think because you reach lv 75 you are pro?

/WAR doesn't gives you lv 37 staff skill if you are capped at 37. Like you'll hit anything with that.



Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 5:15pm PST by Youngjin


Ok so you seriously want to go there Mr. Know it all? Ok lets get into it.
#1. Crude Sword is a greatsword @ Lv70 that gives enhance bashing and has DMG:76, it is not a sword therefore if you can't do Slashing DMG it will be your next best weapon since its blunt damage, (Hidden effect of crude sword is blunt dmg).

#2 AGAIN I will say it. My guide does prove how to @#%^en be a better then average DRK. 95%(Which is majority of ALL DRKs so would be considered the usual or "AVERAGE" DRK) of all DRKs do not know how to do the **** job to begin with. They pick DRK for looks or High dmg.

#3 I reached Lv75 DRK and I been 75 for 2years+ always tweaking my DRK, and doing lots ot stuff to better myself as a DRK. Axe capped, Great axe, sword capped(needed? no, did it for the **** of it)

#4 I saw how you edited your comment. What your comment stated before was to come back when I had more experience in the other areas fighting and the bigger fights. I fought Wyrms, Kings, Gods, Kirin, Done Sea, killed JoL, fought AV as well. I have a few items in sea including Justice torque, I got nealry every item in Sky, I got a few items from HNMs like fafnir, King behemoth, etc... Plz don't tell me to go and fight this and that and come back to you because i have fought almost every thing this game has to offer. 3 Wyrms, 3 Kings, Regular HNM/NMs, Sea Jailors, BCNMs, ENMs. Your word on what you want to use against my word then. Let the others decide for themselves.


Edited, Nov 5th 2006 at 9:23pm PST by renzoukan
#95 Nov 04 2006 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
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lol your e-peen so so much bigger. I will go to sleep now since it's past my bedtime. And stop spending all my time posting on allakhazam.
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#96 Nov 04 2006 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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If possible, I was wondering if you could elaborate on the gear selection. For example, you recommended the thick mufflers(+3 acc +3 attt)but nothing else (aside from the enke's for WS). However, the Tarraque mitts(+10 att) seem a better choice (albiet a more expensive choice-220k vs. 20k). I realize you listed other highend choices (god drops) but not every drk will get these items.


It's still a work in progress, trying to re-format it and make it neater, Tarasque/+1 are far superior to Thick Mufflers obviously so if you have the cash available, yes.

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Another question: As a drg, I have 2 hate shedding abilities, in contrast, it seems all of the drk's abilities garner hate. A little advice on how to effectively ride the hate-line would be helpful.


Basically its a matter of playing around and finding how you play and then tweaking it, not really any tricks or what-not. I had merited emnity down, even capped it at one point and it did next to nothing. At times, yeah, it helped, but its nothing worth dumping the points into imo. Muted Soul is a great addition for when you do use Souleater so thats something worth meriting at least once to help keep hate minimal, but like I said, its alot of reading off your party and personal preference.
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#97 Nov 04 2006 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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lol your e-peen so so much bigger. I will go to sleep now since it's past my bedtime. And stop spending all my time posting on allakhazam.


Actually, maybe you should stay up past your bedtime and study English. There should be a comma after bedtime and before "And." With that said, "And" should not be capitalized.

You tried to bail from the thread like a ***** once and failed, stop making yourself look like more of an ***. I have more experience in DRK in my mouse finger than you do your pre-pubescent little cranium and more EVERYTHING in RL in the stray pubic hair my razor missed than you have in your entire body. Gtfo.
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#98 Nov 04 2006 at 5:54 PM Rating: Default
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Actually, maybe you should stay up past your bedtime and study English. There should be a comma after bedtime and before "And." With that said, "And" should not be capitalized.

You tried to bail from the thread like a ***** once and failed, stop making yourself look like more of an ***. I have more experience in DRK in my mouse finger than you do your pre-pubescent little cranium and more EVERYTHING in RL in the stray pubic hair my razor missed than you have in your entire body. Gtfo.


If you want to be all technical, instead of a comma after failed, there should be a semi-colon. And you have a mouse finger? Strange. I'm so glad you have more EVERYTHING in RL in the stray pubic hair your razor missed.

If you want me to stay, I'll stay and entertain you some more. I don't mind.
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#99 Nov 04 2006 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
Hmmm, do I ever do Gods or HNMs?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I do, unless I'm having some sort of odd delusion.

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Listen, if I EVER see a DRK using a Bilbo class weapon, I will continually ridicule him until he gets rid of it. It's pathetic at best.

You're better off equipping MP gear and getting all of the elemental staffs, and start casting Elemental spells. Seriously...

I'll use a GA from time to time, but mainly on things that don't have much evasion or DEF. For instance, when I help out people on G1 and G2, I'll whip out a GA, and go to town. Why? Because I felt like something other than green Skittles at the moment. Just goofing off and having fun. To try and be serious about using a Bilbo, c'mon. Sub /RNG and Slugshot with a crossbow, you'll do a sh** ton more damage.

As for the open attacks on Renz and LD, I'm positive they can handle anything you got to throw at them. These are 2 respected DRK's in the community. They have respect for a reason, not because they demand it, because they've earned it.

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#100 Nov 04 2006 at 6:50 PM Rating: Default
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Like I really care about earning respect. I play for fun, I'm posting for fun. Like I could really care about people and how they interact with other people over the internet.

And you shouldn't ridicule someone choosing the weapons they choose to level up or gearing themselves they way they do. They pay their own monthly fees and leveled their own job. This "How to be a better than Average DRK" post is in the eye of the beholder. I merely suggested getting all subs, leveling all weapons, and learning your spells. Then everyone bashed my opinions because it wasn't the same as theirs? I'm so hurt.

But yet, it's so entertaining to post on alla. No wonder why you guys have like 1000-2000 posts - and I thought it was me that didn't have a life.
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#101 Nov 04 2006 at 6:54 PM Rating: Default
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hehe...

The sad thing is, after this weekend, I won't ever come to Alla to look at forums. I'm doing this because it's fun to watch people get so worked up and then insult other people ONLINE to make themselves feel better. Come tomorrow, I'll be back to my life at school and will forget about this topic forever. Everyone else will continue to write about how wrong and dumb I am and blah blah blah.

Yes, I will continue for tonight to post and post and post, just to see how low you guys will go to insult someone online for their interpretation of better than average DRK.
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