Ok the title really says it all. My girlfriend started playing recently and I have finished my sub jobs all up to 49 recently. I am looking at 2 jobs in particular to take up to the level cap and beyond while I level with her. The two jobs are pup and Drk.
I was wondering if the Drk community could give me some info on why leveling drk would be a good thing. My current 75 plus's are sam at 75, drg at 80 and blu at 85.
I enjoied playing a shadow knight while I played eqoa before I moved on to ffxi. This jobs is sorta close to that minus the ability to tank as well as put out damage. Any info you could give me or experiences you'd like to share would be welcomed.
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Dunno what Brady guide you're reading, DRK/Anysub tanks better than any other job classified as DD, and better than some 'tanks' /SAM for short periods. It also duos well with a lot of other jobs in the lower levels.
PUP has a lot more capability, but it might be too much to really be compelled to stick around for your girl when you notice you can solo Toughs all day with or without her. Going DRK will keep her in the mix instead of her feeling like she's being handbagged to 85.
PUP has a lot more capability, but it might be too much to really be compelled to stick around for your girl when you notice you can solo Toughs all day with or without her. Going DRK will keep her in the mix instead of her feeling like she's being handbagged to 85.
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A drk can really tank that well. A friend of mine before he quit use to complain the most about his drk bieng paper and dying to fast when he pulled hate.
What I ment about not bieng able to tank is that eqoas sk or dark could take hits as well if not better then the damage they could dish out. My only worry with drk is I'd get to cocky and bite off more then I can chew a few times to many. Although my gf would propably get a kick out of that....
What I ment about not bieng able to tank is that eqoas sk or dark could take hits as well if not better then the damage they could dish out. My only worry with drk is I'd get to cocky and bite off more then I can chew a few times to many. Although my gf would propably get a kick out of that....
Go for it, you'll probably enjoy it. DRK is as good as anything else at lower levels (buy decent def gear, eat def food if you really need to be able to take the hits - though meat is prolly better).
But really, it's DRK, you can't go wrong. If you think you'll enjoy it, do it. Thats why I had so many 75's (hehe, 75..)
But really, it's DRK, you can't go wrong. If you think you'll enjoy it, do it. Thats why I had so many 75's (hehe, 75..)
drk = 80 sam = 76
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.FFXIV woo eh..
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
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As far as subs go should I focus on thf, war sam and nin or do I need anything else?
For gear I have the 75 CP bp for now with acc and dbl attack on it. So the only thing I thin I need to buy would be a hauby till then? then at 78 I could dust off the Perle set? DIdn't do end game long enough to get homan set only got the lol helm.
For gear I have the 75 CP bp for now with acc and dbl attack on it. So the only thing I thin I need to buy would be a hauby till then? then at 78 I could dust off the Perle set? DIdn't do end game long enough to get homan set only got the lol helm.
norax wrote:
As far as subs go should I focus on thf, <60 war, 60+ sam, maybe nin somewhere in the middle
Fix'd. Even /NIN is sketchy for DRK's applications where /SAM doesn't work better.
norax wrote:
For gear I have the 75 ACP bp for now with acc and dbl attack on it.
Throw it away.
norax wrote:
So the only thing I thin I need to buy would be a hauby till then?
Yes, and keep it for WS.
norax wrote:
then at 78 I could dust off the Perle set?
Yes.
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I don't really think thats something we can answer. If your playing w/ ur Gf you'll have fun no matter what job your playing, and Drk can be rather frustrating @ low levels. Duoing will ease that pain imo and you two will be relying on each other which makes a Duo fun. Pup is more solo oriented seeing as how your puppet is your best friend and any other members are just extras @ that point.
So imo...if ur lookin for a duo class Drk may be better than a pup for this specific situation. Also we deal some pretty sick damage as we level up and it was a fun journey for me, so maybe you'll enjoy it too.
So imo...if ur lookin for a duo class Drk may be better than a pup for this specific situation. Also we deal some pretty sick damage as we level up and it was a fun journey for me, so maybe you'll enjoy it too.
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I don't really think thats something we can answer. If your playing w/ ur Gf you'll have fun no matter what job your playing, and Drk can be rather frustrating @ low levels. Duoing will ease that pain imo and you two will be relying on each other which makes a Duo fun. Pup is more solo oriented seeing as how your puppet is your best friend and any other members are just extras @ that point.
So imo...if ur lookin for a duo class Drk may be better than a pup for this specific situation. Also we deal some pretty sick damage as we level up and it was a fun journey for me, so maybe you'll enjoy it too.
So imo...if ur lookin for a duo class Drk may be better than a pup for this specific situation. Also we deal some pretty sick damage as we level up and it was a fun journey for me, so maybe you'll enjoy it too.
Apparently you thought daylight savings was applied to the month, not the hour?
He also never gave what his girl was gonna be playing. DRK and PLD could duo from 15-60+ easily, but DRK and BLM would be a nightmare.
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Sorry the Drk forums are stagnant? This was still pretty high up on the front page >_> although i didn't actually look at the date i'll give it to ya there. Although if you look @ the post dates now this was only 8th from the top (Excluding the ding thread and Drk club). i could understand if i necroposted something from 2 years ago.
This being a discussion board w/ not much discussion be it 1 or 2 active threads atm lets discuss this if you want.
Drk and Blm wouldn't necessarilly be a nightmare anymore than pup and blm would be. If the blm just spammed skills it would be a dead blm in any case. If the blm focused on Debuffs like stackin burn and what not while tossing out Bio's and aspir/drains w/ a few heavy spells it could be quite an effective combo making it easier for the drk to tank the mob. If their duoing the blm should prolly go /whm for a few heals and regen and whatnot. Its possible and since their duoing their time frame is different than a party setting, and wouldn't necessarilly require the optimal combinations.
Would it be as easy as say, drk and pld probably not, although if their not communicating then it could be just as bad, but i don't think that would be the case here seeing as their dating and all.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 2:42pm by Toukai
This being a discussion board w/ not much discussion be it 1 or 2 active threads atm lets discuss this if you want.
Drk and Blm wouldn't necessarilly be a nightmare anymore than pup and blm would be. If the blm just spammed skills it would be a dead blm in any case. If the blm focused on Debuffs like stackin burn and what not while tossing out Bio's and aspir/drains w/ a few heavy spells it could be quite an effective combo making it easier for the drk to tank the mob. If their duoing the blm should prolly go /whm for a few heals and regen and whatnot. Its possible and since their duoing their time frame is different than a party setting, and wouldn't necessarilly require the optimal combinations.
Would it be as easy as say, drk and pld probably not, although if their not communicating then it could be just as bad, but i don't think that would be the case here seeing as their dating and all.
Edited, Nov 8th 2010 2:42pm by Toukai
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A distinction should be made between the variances of 'easy', 'doable', 'complicated', 'efficient', etc.
DRK/Whatever and BLM/WHM, for most of their stint, are going to be waiting on the BLM's MP for healing instead of Nuking. This is why I said it would be a nightmare because it wouldn't be effective in an all-around leveling sense.
Even DRK+WHM, the WHM can break out a hammer and put that B+ skill to use while keeping both alive, a BLM blowing MP on cures might as well be a WHM, neh?
The ideal for a DRK in duo with anything but a PLD flows a little something like this:
1. The DRK pulls for the initial hate bonus because DRK is a hardier job than most realize.
2. The only debuffs that are particularly effective are those that make the mob deader faster.
3. The DRK receives support to stay alive while they kill the mob as quickly as possible (a dead mob deals no damage).
4. The partner remains useful whether the DRK needs healing or not.
5. The partner remains useful even when their MP runs out
6. The DRK always has available their emergency effectiveness (drains, stuns, blood weapon) because MP is not critical to their damage, and this is actually the purpose of #3.
A partner of any other melee job besides DNC (or /DNC) violates #6. Forcing the DRK to rely on their own self-support is going to result in MP stoppage or worse, and the DRK also cannot support a partner that cannot support themselves.
A BLM partner can fulfill #3 only at cost of other requirements, and falls flat on #4 if healing the DRK and #5 entirely.
A WHM partner covers all of the requirements listed.
A PUP partner covers everything with the right setup.
A DNC is a fantastic duo partner as long as they understand that the DRK will outdamage them and to debuff, keep TP for healing the DRK, and switch between Blood and Haste sambas as appropriate.
A PLD mixes things up in that they are the rare job that can take less damage and also keep hate over a rampaging DRK, so instead the PLD pulls and does their best to keep the mob off the DRK, but are still generally on healing support (breaking out a GS, however, makes them as much a monster as the DRK at low level).
What I'm getting at is that what DRK really needs in a duo partner is a healer than can do other things too, be it tank for them or melee at the same time, so they can not only kill as quickly as possible but also endurance, not relying on their own MP pool for support and such.
DRK/Whatever and BLM/WHM, for most of their stint, are going to be waiting on the BLM's MP for healing instead of Nuking. This is why I said it would be a nightmare because it wouldn't be effective in an all-around leveling sense.
Even DRK+WHM, the WHM can break out a hammer and put that B+ skill to use while keeping both alive, a BLM blowing MP on cures might as well be a WHM, neh?
The ideal for a DRK in duo with anything but a PLD flows a little something like this:
1. The DRK pulls for the initial hate bonus because DRK is a hardier job than most realize.
2. The only debuffs that are particularly effective are those that make the mob deader faster.
3. The DRK receives support to stay alive while they kill the mob as quickly as possible (a dead mob deals no damage).
4. The partner remains useful whether the DRK needs healing or not.
5. The partner remains useful even when their MP runs out
6. The DRK always has available their emergency effectiveness (drains, stuns, blood weapon) because MP is not critical to their damage, and this is actually the purpose of #3.
A partner of any other melee job besides DNC (or /DNC) violates #6. Forcing the DRK to rely on their own self-support is going to result in MP stoppage or worse, and the DRK also cannot support a partner that cannot support themselves.
A BLM partner can fulfill #3 only at cost of other requirements, and falls flat on #4 if healing the DRK and #5 entirely.
A WHM partner covers all of the requirements listed.
A PUP partner covers everything with the right setup.
A DNC is a fantastic duo partner as long as they understand that the DRK will outdamage them and to debuff, keep TP for healing the DRK, and switch between Blood and Haste sambas as appropriate.
A PLD mixes things up in that they are the rare job that can take less damage and also keep hate over a rampaging DRK, so instead the PLD pulls and does their best to keep the mob off the DRK, but are still generally on healing support (breaking out a GS, however, makes them as much a monster as the DRK at low level).
What I'm getting at is that what DRK really needs in a duo partner is a healer than can do other things too, be it tank for them or melee at the same time, so they can not only kill as quickly as possible but also endurance, not relying on their own MP pool for support and such.
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This is also Level dependant. If their duoing at rather low levels Mp doesn't take as long to get back having a smaller pool and spells that cost less. Book refresh is also a very handy thing to have in both players. Of course once you hit about the lv 50th range a blm + drk will have a much harder time duoing as many classes do. Monster Hp pools jump up quite a bit and tend to hit harder as well. Around here Drk + Blm would have a hard time duoing effectively and where other class combinations would truly shine in being able to outlast the enemies.
To say that they should focus on the most effective classes is good advice but sometimes people prefer to endure a little hardship to level something they prefer. Yeah, a Dnc is about the best duo partner around you could have but I'm assuming that if shes new to the game she won't have that unlocked yet. If he played Pup perhaps they'd have an easier time because the pup would be self reliant and wouldn't need to rely on the other member so much because they can take care of themselves for the most part.
Usually i find that when people want to duo jobs up together they tend to want to play jobs that compliment each other, say a Drk and a Pld. Even though in reality it can make things a bit harder. Drk and pally can duo well, if the paladin takes on a more support role for the drk or as u said whips out the GS. @ low levels it really doesn't matter because every melee job is similar until they branch out around lv 30ish. The pld will find diminishing returns sticking to the GS and will eventually switch to Sword and shield, slowing down the killing process but holding aggro better. It's around here where a Drks ws pick up in damage a bit and he can pick up the slack the pld made damage wise with stronger ws and more effective use of JA. However if the pld isnt /dnc he's going to find holding aggro quite mp intensive and we wind up w/ the same scenario of breaking for mp.
While it's true that Drk may not be the best companion for say a blm, but the OP also had a lot of jobs leveled to 49. He could switch to one of those or bring out a High lv and lvsync for a more effective partner.
@ lower levels i'd say 1-30 any combination of jobs is pretty doable.
after 30ish to say 50ish most combinations are still quite efficient mobs don't have tons of hp and there are easier camps to target. (for instance Pet camps that Blms use for quick kills), Field manuals, you can pretty much stay in Qufim till 42ish if you wanted.
Altepa is the next Field manual camp up and the primary mobs around are goblins. These are hardier than the mobs back in qufim so it takes good team work and a more effective combination of classes. Here is where the Drk/Blm combo will run into problems, but its also a good time for the OP to perhaps switch to another class & lv sync or soldier on.
Edited, Nov 9th 2010 12:31pm by Toukai
Edited, Nov 9th 2010 12:36pm by Toukai
To say that they should focus on the most effective classes is good advice but sometimes people prefer to endure a little hardship to level something they prefer. Yeah, a Dnc is about the best duo partner around you could have but I'm assuming that if shes new to the game she won't have that unlocked yet. If he played Pup perhaps they'd have an easier time because the pup would be self reliant and wouldn't need to rely on the other member so much because they can take care of themselves for the most part.
Usually i find that when people want to duo jobs up together they tend to want to play jobs that compliment each other, say a Drk and a Pld. Even though in reality it can make things a bit harder. Drk and pally can duo well, if the paladin takes on a more support role for the drk or as u said whips out the GS. @ low levels it really doesn't matter because every melee job is similar until they branch out around lv 30ish. The pld will find diminishing returns sticking to the GS and will eventually switch to Sword and shield, slowing down the killing process but holding aggro better. It's around here where a Drks ws pick up in damage a bit and he can pick up the slack the pld made damage wise with stronger ws and more effective use of JA. However if the pld isnt /dnc he's going to find holding aggro quite mp intensive and we wind up w/ the same scenario of breaking for mp.
While it's true that Drk may not be the best companion for say a blm, but the OP also had a lot of jobs leveled to 49. He could switch to one of those or bring out a High lv and lvsync for a more effective partner.
@ lower levels i'd say 1-30 any combination of jobs is pretty doable.
after 30ish to say 50ish most combinations are still quite efficient mobs don't have tons of hp and there are easier camps to target. (for instance Pet camps that Blms use for quick kills), Field manuals, you can pretty much stay in Qufim till 42ish if you wanted.
Altepa is the next Field manual camp up and the primary mobs around are goblins. These are hardier than the mobs back in qufim so it takes good team work and a more effective combination of classes. Here is where the Drk/Blm combo will run into problems, but its also a good time for the OP to perhaps switch to another class & lv sync or soldier on.
Edited, Nov 9th 2010 12:31pm by Toukai
Edited, Nov 9th 2010 12:36pm by Toukai
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The ideal for a DRK in duo with anything but a PLD flows a little something like this:
1. The DRK pulls for the initial hate bonus because DRK is a hardier job than most realize.
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A WHM partner covers all of the requirements listed.
1. The DRK pulls for the initial hate bonus because DRK is a hardier job than most realize.
...
A WHM partner covers all of the requirements listed.
Seriously, I've tried pulling on WHM before. Your options are either swapping to pebbles/tathlums/etc. (or hoping you have an Aureole, ha ha), pulling with something slow, pulling with something that gives you a lot of hate (Flash/Holy), or pulling with Dia and hoping you don't have to sleep the mob before Dia wears off. There aren't really any good "casts quickly, doesn't DoT" spells in WHM's repertoire. (The best candidate is Silence, which still isn't great.)
The DRK, hopefully, has a crossbow. (Even if they haven't ever bothered trying to actually get any marksmanship skill.)
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To answer the OP: Level WAR/MNK/NIN, get new WS, gear for crit rate/crit dmg+ on WS, use RR/SS/VV/Gnarled Horn/etc., ???, profit.
Or level DRK and hope Squenix makes it relevant again in the next few updates. (To be fair, who'd've thunk that NIN, of all jobs, would become one of the best DDs in the game with 1-2 updates?)
Or level DRK and hope Squenix makes it relevant again in the next few updates. (To be fair, who'd've thunk that NIN, of all jobs, would become one of the best DDs in the game with 1-2 updates?)
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OP is long gone, but yeah, here's hoping.
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SE hates drk and always will. We shall see nothing more than more MAB gear, tier3 elemental nukes, and more upgrades to Occult Acumen.
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Edited, Nov 12th 2010 3:22pm by xypin
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Hey Drk community,
I wanted to thank you all for all the info that you gave. I chose to wait to level dark, but still doing so in a duo setting with girlfriend and getting some xp party's in with ls mates. After reading some of the first post I chose to wait simply because I wanted to have most of the gear for dark ready when I hit level 80-90 range. I still have a few bale pieces to finish off, but thanks to mobs dropping blm and dark seals or some combo that we already needed I have most of it completed or almost completed.
I also have a twilight scythe and mail waiting for me. Hopefully Shin will be nice enough to give me my helm by the time I hit 90 as well. I have a decent haste set as well ready to go. My gf will be leveling sch or dnc depending on the day. I'm avoiding doing any trials or emp weapon trials for drk as I am currently working on emp katana and working on -pdt sword for blu and evasion katana. I'm hoping that by the time I finish my drk my shell/static will have someone else that can play nin or blue and allow me to play drk some. Would be nice to have a break and play a different role but we shall see.
With this said what GS should I aim for and is twilight scythe acceptable?
Thank you all again.
I wanted to thank you all for all the info that you gave. I chose to wait to level dark, but still doing so in a duo setting with girlfriend and getting some xp party's in with ls mates. After reading some of the first post I chose to wait simply because I wanted to have most of the gear for dark ready when I hit level 80-90 range. I still have a few bale pieces to finish off, but thanks to mobs dropping blm and dark seals or some combo that we already needed I have most of it completed or almost completed.
I also have a twilight scythe and mail waiting for me. Hopefully Shin will be nice enough to give me my helm by the time I hit 90 as well. I have a decent haste set as well ready to go. My gf will be leveling sch or dnc depending on the day. I'm avoiding doing any trials or emp weapon trials for drk as I am currently working on emp katana and working on -pdt sword for blu and evasion katana. I'm hoping that by the time I finish my drk my shell/static will have someone else that can play nin or blue and allow me to play drk some. Would be nice to have a break and play a different role but we shall see.
With this said what GS should I aim for and is twilight scythe acceptable?
Thank you all again.
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Wasn't a necro attempt sorry, was busy with real life stuff and didn't have a chance to reply back to topic. Just wanted to follow up and thank everyone for the suggestions.
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