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#27 Jul 06 2011 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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You aren't following the rest, Hex. Anything in Abyssea still isn't a fair representation of any job in the game, but those are the comparisons you're hooked on. Ukko and VSmite lose about half their damage by leaving Abyssea, Torc and Quietus lose almost nothing. The crit bubble is going to burst and MNK and WAR will go back to being, while still top-DD by less of a stretch, also the best dirt-eaters in the game.

DRK doesn't 'need' much more than for the game to get out of Abyssea mode. A buff to Quietus would be nice (It is a little sad, after all, that it's only slightly better than our lv60 WS).

There's nothing wrong with getting outdamaged by WAR, MNK, SAM, or even DRG. It's all those jobs can do. DRK gets to stun, laugh at a mob beating itself up, lock an un-melee'd mob from ever using a TP move (AFv3 hands make this even easier now), and rock the fastest natural TP gain in the game.

You wanna play DRK? You don't get to be the top damage dealer. Deal with it.
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bend over backwards is talking about difficulty. do you have vocabulary trouble?

if /MNK makes DRK work, then you should level it. if not, you shouldn't. talking about "formerly" bad subjobs is idiotic. who cares?

edit: typo.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 10:40pm by milich


At least pretend to be an adult when you talk to me. The confrontational internet attitude you and others on this board have, doesn't impress me. I've been nothing but polite so far.

Bending over backwards has nothing to do with difficulty. The job is currently sh*tty. Period. Instead of admitting that, and expecting SE to do something about it, you squeak by. Why? Because you're forced to.

I'm not ok with that. If you are, go for it. Why you'd be so upset that I expect more out of DRK, I dunno.
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bend over backwards

like, you might consider bending over backwards to understand the words you use, because it seems to be too great a task for the effort you're putting into it.

re: "talk to me like an adult," i am, you just don't like what you're hearing. i'm insulting you, as an adult. i would do this in real life, believe it or not. i insult people that say dumb **** in a superior tone. adults and children alike.
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compared to the other DD, drk is crap atm. regardless of sub. inside/outside/tied up tied down up against a wall/be my rubber maid baby and we can do it all, the job does not measure up to the other dd. if you are beating other DD out, it's because they are:

1) they have terminal cancer and are high on dilaudid
2) if in abyssea, they have no atma/poor atma selection
3) brand new ************* player/misunderstanding of basic game mechanics/how to gear

doesn't mean the job doesn't bring something to the table, stuns and absorb tp are nice, so is spikes/facetanking. it's just that it brings nothing that's necessary or that another job can't do better. can be fun, sure.

still my favorite job.

still gets **** on by about anything else.

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You aren't following the rest, Hex. Anything in Abyssea still isn't a fair representation of any job in the game, but those are the comparisons you're hooked on. Ukko and VSmite lose about half their damage by leaving Abyssea, Torc and Quietus lose almost nothing. The crit bubble is going to burst and MNK and WAR will go back to being, while still top-DD by less of a stretch, also the best dirt-eaters in the game.

DRK doesn't 'need' much more than for the game to get out of Abyssea mode. A buff to Quietus would be nice (It is a little sad, after all, that it's only slightly better than our lv60 WS).

There's nothing wrong with getting outdamaged by WAR, MNK, SAM, or even DRG. It's all those jobs can do. DRK gets to stun, laugh at a mob beating itself up, lock an un-melee'd mob from ever using a TP move (AFv3 hands make this even easier now), and rock the fastest natural TP gain in the game.

You wanna play DRK? You don't get to be the top damage dealer. Deal with it.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I still don't think Abyssea is going anywhere, for the fore-seeable future. The rewards are too great.

And no DRK doesn't need much. But like I said, traditionally we were spike damage. We've always been spike damage. So it's kinda odd we'd fall so far behind in that category.

And, this is just a small side note, but WAR and MNK can melee/tank, and DRG can cure. DRK has Stun, but so does BLM. We can nuke, so can BLM. We can enfeeble, so can RDM, etc etc etc. It's not about being the #1 DD, it's more about reclaiming our former slot, which was spike damage.



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haven't been 'spike damage' since /sleep for tp + /thf but that's beside the point.
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back in the day, if you bent over backwards for a k.club or relic, you were the king of zerg damage.
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#34 Jul 06 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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bend over backwards

like, you might consider bending over backwards to understand the words you use, because it seems to be too great a task for the effort you're putting into it.

re: "talk to me like an adult," i am, you just don't like what you're hearing. i'm insulting you, as an adult. i would do this in real life, believe it or not. i insult people that say dumb sh*t in a superior tone. adults and children alike.


No you don't. You know **** well you aren't this disrespect to anybody, over something this trivial. People get their teeth knocked out, or are killed for less. So nah, sorry, but I don't believe you. People hop on the internet and say whatever pops into their head. You're smugly disrespectful, similar to faceless teenagers on XBOX Live. Stop it. We can disagree and be polite about it.

Also nothing you linked has anything to do with what we're talking about. Yes, by leveling MNK as a sub job, getting -PDT gear, and using specific Atmas to get anything done in the game is "bending over backwards" to make DRK work. This has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game. Why this is so hard for you to grasp, I dunno.
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haven't been 'spike damage' since /sleep for tp + /thf but that's beside the point.


That's not true. We didn't have half the DoT capabilities we do now, until recently. Relatively recently anyway, in the grand scheme of things. Last Resort buff, Endark, Hasso from /SAM, etc.

Also it wasn't as easy to cap Haste, which was problematic for DoT when you're swinging a 528ish delay weapon. Our bread and butter was our WSs. It always has been.
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hasso and the /sam changes were back in 2006...
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wah wah wah, you feel stupid for explicitly saying "it shouldn't be harder to be competitive" (which, again, is what 'bend over backwards' is; if you have to bend over backwards to do something, it's because it's hard/complicated/requires a lot of effort).

also, again, yes i am this way in real life (edit; forgot to write this part:D), and if someone even intimated to me that they would react to my correcting their language usage with violence, i would beat the sh*t out of them. however, you are crazy if you think people just suddenly break into violence when someone is verbally disrespectful to them. maybe you watch too much sopranos, or live in a Really Tough Neighborhood.

if you want to keep going, please define the idiom 'bend over backwards' for me. try extra hard to do it. approach the task as if it requires lots of effort, ie as if it were very difficult. give it your best.

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edit: you posted classic "we didn't have enough haste for DoT with high delay weapon" gem while i was writing my post. ...and you pretend to understand how the game works.'

edit2: i wonder if my point above was clear. internet tough guys like (apparently) this hex character always paint this Rough picture of real life, where if you Say That To My Face you get knocked out, so all the mean people are skinny/overweight nerds who must never act rude (because surely they would get stomped at the first disrespectful peep). people who paint this picture of this world are either abysmally unfortunate and live in terrible, violent circumstances (the kind that would normally preclude MMOs, but who knows)... or (most likely) they're privileged (likely white) kids that have never seen any actual violence.

i say this, because in the adult world, if i made fun of your use of some phrase, and even went so far as to say "are you stupid or something?" you wouldn't punch me. also, if the situation were reversed, and you called me stupid, questioned my knowledge of something, or just flatly ridiculed me, i wouldn't punch you either. however, threatening violence is a whole different story altogether. if you're talking to someone, and they're like, "you keep talking like that and i may have to knock you out or something," this is a big deal if they actually mean it. if you're not going to react to the situation by getting out of it, you should be getting ready to attack this person before they attack you. threatening violence over simple words / "disrespect" is wholly inappropriate, and a big red flag.

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hasso and the /sam changes were back in 2006...


I was playing 4-5 years before that. That's why I said "relatively recent".

And that's one aspect of how they buffed DRK's DoT capabilities. Which alone obviously isn't much. Prior to Abyssea, and the new gear they added since then, it was hard as **** to cap Haste on DRK. Endark, Last Resort, etc. were obviously huge buffs to DoT as well.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 11:07pm by Hexagram
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wah wah wah, you feel stupid for explicitly saying "it shouldn't be harder to be competitive" (which, again, is what 'bend over backwards' is; if you have to bend over backwards to do something, it's because it's hard/complicated/requires a lot of effort).

also, again, yes i am this way in real life (edit; forgot to write this part:D), and if someone even intimated to me that they would react to my correcting their language usage with violence, i would beat the sh*t out of them. however, you are crazy if you think people just suddenly break into violence when someone is verbally disrespectful to them. maybe you watch too much sopranos, or live in a Really Tough Neighborhood.

if you want to keep going, please define the idiom 'bend over backwards' for me. try extra hard to do it. approach the task as if it requires lots of effort, ie as if it were very difficult. give it your best.

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edit: you posted classic "we didn't have enough haste for DoT with high delay weapon" gem while i was writing my post. ...and you pretend to understand how the game works.'

edit2: i wonder if my point above was clear. internet tough guys like (apparently) this hex character always paint this Rough picture of real life, where if you Say That To My Face you get knocked out, so all the mean people are skinny/overweight nerds who must never act rude (because surely they would get stomped at the first disrespectful peep). people who paint this picture of this world are either abysmally unfortunate and live in terrible, violent circumstances (the kind that would normally preclude MMOs, but who knows)... or (most likely) they're privileged (likely white) kids that have never seen any actual violence.

i say this, because in the adult world, if i made fun of your use of some phrase, and even went so far as to say "are you stupid or something?" you wouldn't punch me. also, if the situation were reversed, and you called me stupid, questioned my knowledge of something, or just flatly ridiculed me, i wouldn't punch you either. however, threatening violence is a whole different story altogether. if you're talking to someone, and they're like, "you keep talking like that and i may have to knock you out or something," this is a big deal if they actually mean it. if you're not going to react to the situation by getting out of it, you should be getting ready to attack this person before they attack you. threatening violence over simple words / "disrespect" is wholly inappropriate, and a big red flag.


You being a Sage speaks volumes on why Alla isn't taken seriously.

You type a lot, without actually saying anything. Instead of pretending to be tough online, or continually asking "what do you mean by bending over backwards?!" even though I explained it several times, why don't you join in the conversation. What do you think DRK needs to be competitive? If you think DRK is competitive, explain why.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 11:08pm by Hexagram
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i don't care if it is competitive or not; i'm insulting you for misusing a phrase and then being so embarrassed by it that you won't admit it. i also, earlier, was insulting your ridiculous logic about "formerly bad subjob" (again, who cares?).

p.s. please read my edit above, b/c that is (in part) why i'm not taking you seriously (the other part is that you're writing stupid things). none of what we've done together in this momentous thread has anything at all to do with violence or toughness. believe it or not.

re: no one taking alla seriously, ironically, i'm part of why a lot of people started taking alla seriously. i quit awhile ago though, so i don't contribute to this or any site any more. i mainly post beer recommendations and youtube videos.

however, i still have a very good command of logic, and that is how i was able to catch your extremely obvious error that everyone else already caught. p.p.s. you never defined the phrase that you misused; if you had, you'd have needed to explain how it doesn't mean "put in more effort; ie work harder for the task to get done," etc etc which exactly has to do with difficulty. do i need to have you define 'difficulty' as well?

(by the way, i know that you know what all these words mean; you are too emotional to use words properly)
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And for the record I never threatened you. I said, if you acted how you are right now, in real life, somebody would eventually whup your ***. And they would, for being disrespectful over something so trivial. You can turn on the news in literally any city in America and see people get beat over less. If not killed. So I dunno where you're from, but the fact that you equate this to "The Sopranos" is mind blowing. It happens outside of an HBO show, trust me.

Look at all the emotion you're pouring into a civilized discussion about a video game. You're trying to tell me you act like this out in the real world? Cut the bullsh*t out and let's discuss DRK like two adults.
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of course i do. the people i hang around with are smarter than to deny that words carry their conventional meanings when shown that they are wrong. this would surely yield someone insulting you, and no, you wouldn't @#%^ing punch them over it. have you ever punched someone for "disrespecting you"? just verbally, trivially talking in a way you didn't like, you were like, "@#%^ that, time to @#%^ you up!"? if so, you must realize that you're an asshole/bully/criminal. i have only ever been involved in violence when the threat of violence was the issue to begin with, and believe me, i've insulted a whole lot of people to their faces.

anyway, this is discussing things like an adult. that i'm mean to you, or putting you down, does not mean i'm pouring on emotion or being a child. your responses might have something to do with it (if you actually realized the truth of this last sentence, i promise you that you would be shocked... you're not going to though; in your mind, i'm "not treating you with enough respect" or overreacting, blablabla).

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Dear God, that was a load of hot air. Calm the **** down, folks.
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This so makes up for not having TV Smiley: lol

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This so makes up for not having TV Smiley: lol

Edited, Jul 7th 2011 12:09am by xypin


if i can't contribute to the community with game knowledge anymore, at least i can make fun of people.

edit: look at this fucking avatar. and no, i haven't played everquest.

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I'm sorry, but Outside Abyssea things change DRASTICALLY. Lets be honest here, Razed Ruins is the only reason DRK and SAM are considered lol-worthy in Abyssea, as they have no crit WSes of merit. There's no Razed Ruins outside Abyssea. Outside Abyssea, DRK's WSes catch up well on a per WS basis.

The LR change was also a huge boost, giving DRK so much that it's not even funny. Even inside Abyssea, depending on buffs your group brings, DRK can even start to keep up. DRK also has the ability to swing obscenely fast, with a 5 hit build, wielding a 2-4 hit GS, using a powerful Magic WS, constantly Self SCing.

Abyssea's value will fall. The Abyssea series is over. There will not be new abyssea content and there will not be new Abyssea rewards. There will be 9 levels of new events and and older content revamped for for higher levels. We already know that there's at least 1 more part to Voidwatch, meaning harder fights and better rewards, and SE has stated it's going to perform similar revamps to CoP Dynamis, Salvage, and Limbus. Dynamis has already seen a huge revamp for the better. New rewards that are pretty decent in a lot of cases, and the ease of obtaining relics is at an all time high. You can solo farm ~70 coins a day on jobs with all procs (NIN/DNC, DNC/NIN, DRK/DNC). Also finding AF is an even bigger joke now, so the pieces that are still worth while, and there's quite a few, are out of no one's reach.

Also, the 90 Upgrade to Apocalypse was huge to us with one, and those that will soon have it thanks to the ease of building one. One or two more upgrades like it, and Apoc DRKs will be on top no matter where they are. The WS itself already has so many benefits going for it with the Haste and a massive drain, but the +25% damage boost to Relic WS damage was actually kinda monstrous. It's a static +25% to all damage that means Doubles/Triples/Quadruples all have their hits boosted as well, and the 25% boost is also a 25% boost to the drain, obviously. I can currently go into Abyssea and compete quite well with the non-empyrean DDs using RR/Apoc/A&O, though I've considered using Lion instead of Alpha and Omega on more Squishy Targets, so I can get more from SE. Outside Abyssea, Catastrophe is probably the most broken WS in the game, and one of the more damaging. It can only get better.

Things can only go up for DRK from here on out.
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I'm sorry, but Outside Abyssea things change DRASTICALLY. Lets be honest here, Razed Ruins is the only reason DRK and SAM are considered lol-worthy in Abyssea, as they have no crit WSes of merit. There's no Razed Ruins outside Abyssea. Outside Abyssea, DRK's WSes catch up well on a per WS basis.

The LR change was also a huge boost, giving DRK so much that it's not even funny. Even inside Abyssea, depending on buffs your group brings, DRK can even start to keep up. DRK also has the ability to swing obscenely fast, with a 5 hit build, wielding a 2-4 hit GS, using a powerful Magic WS, constantly Self SCing.

Abyssea's value will fall. The Abyssea series is over. There will not be new abyssea content and there will not be new Abyssea rewards. There will be 9 levels of new events and and older content revamped for for higher levels. We already know that there's at least 1 more part to Voidwatch, meaning harder fights and better rewards, and SE has stated it's going to perform similar revamps to CoP Dynamis, Salvage, and Limbus. Dynamis has already seen a huge revamp for the better. New rewards that are pretty decent in a lot of cases, and the ease of obtaining relics is at an all time high. You can solo farm ~70 coins a day on jobs with all procs (NIN/DNC, DNC/NIN, DRK/DNC). Also finding AF is an even bigger joke now, so the pieces that are still worth while, and there's quite a few, are out of no one's reach.

Also, the 90 Upgrade to Apocalypse was huge to us with one, and those that will soon have it thanks to the ease of building one. One or two more upgrades like it, and Apoc DRKs will be on top no matter where they are. The WS itself already has so many benefits going for it with the Haste and a massive drain, but the +25% damage boost to Relic WS damage was actually kinda monstrous. It's a static +25% to all damage that means Doubles/Triples/Quadruples all have their hits boosted as well, and the 25% boost is also a 25% boost to the drain, obviously. I can currently go into Abyssea and compete quite well with the non-empyrean DDs using RR/Apoc/A&O, though I've considered using Lion instead of Alpha and Omega on more Squishy Targets, so I can get more from SE. Outside Abyssea, Catastrophe is probably the most broken WS in the game, and one of the more damaging. It can only get better.

Things can only go up for DRK from here on out.


Apocalypse is currently laughable....to put it into perspective Redemption easily trumps it, and Redemption is one of the weakest Empyreans. Not to mention, the Haste from the Aftermath is "gear" (no idea why) and it's virtually impossible not to cap Haste via gear nowadays. Also, the WS damage sucks.

I know DRKs with both weapons, and nobody in their right mind would use Apoc over Redemption. Which is sad considering you could probably upgrade a Redemption in a week or so.

Which brings me to my next point. Yes, a DRK can compete with a non-Empyrean melee. The problem is, non-Empyrean melee are no longer the standard. You could get Empyrean GKT, Katana, or Greatsword in under a week. I know, because we've done it. Or, you could get the NQ Walk of Echoes version in 1-3 days.

So it's not as if this is some ridiculously hard to obtain items. The fact that Empyrean (and WoE path) melee exist is reason enough not to invite DRKs.

And for the record Tachi: Fudo is better than Quietus, despite both SAM and DRK being "lol-worthy". Our new WS is on the low end, of the low end. If we got Quietus 3-4 years ago it would be one of the best WS in the game. But like I said, the standard is different now.

As far as Abyssea, it's not going anywhere. It hasn't even been a year since it ended. Sky, Sea, Limbus, Einherjar, Salvage, etc. still remained popular years after they were introduced. People still do Dynamis, to this day. So the idea that Abyssea will somehow become unpopular over the next 6ish months, simply because of a level cap raise, is kinda silly. Especially considering the fastest way to EXP is still Fell Cleave, and you still need 175 HNM drops to even upgrade Empyrean to level 90. Also, AF3+2. SE never replaces it's new "high end" gear quickly.
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Apocalypse is currently laughable....to put it into perspective Redemption easily trumps it, and Redemption is one of the weakest Empyreans. Not to mention, the Haste from the Aftermath is "gear" (no idea why) and it's virtually impossible not to cap Haste via gear nowadays. Also, the WS damage sucks.


I'm fully aware of how Apoc's haste works. The benefit of the haste comes in the tradeoff. Needing 10% less haste to cap means I can stack more ACC/ATK/STR/DA/TA type gear. The +35ACC on the weapon itself is also nice if you do new stuff, that actually requires ACC. You could make an argument against Cata's sh*tty WSC mods, but new gear has really started to kill that that one. Notable Catastrophe upgrade pieces released since Abyssea, like Twilight Helm, Twilight Mail, Bale Sollerets +2, and Soil belt, have really gone a long way in putting Cata gear in better shape.


Saying the WS Damage sucks must be some kinda joke seeing as the 90 Apoc's Catastrophe is stronger than any other Scythe WS at 100TP. With some magical hastes, Apoc also makes you nigh invulnerable unless the mob has retarded defense or has an OHsh*t TP move.

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I know DRKs with both weapons, and nobody in their right mind would use Apoc over Redemption. Which is sad considering you could probably upgrade a Redemption in a week or so.


Apocalypse (90) has the more powerful WS, the better dps, alters gear options, and has the unique ability to cure you for upwards of 500-2,000+ hp. It just loses handily in DoT to Redemption in most situations due to the odd aftermath.

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Which brings me to my next point. Yes, a DRK can compete with a non-Empyrean melee. The problem is, non-Empyrean melee are no longer the standard. You could get Empyrean GKT, Katana, or Greatsword in under a week. I know, because we've done it. Or, you could get the NQ Walk of Echoes version in 1-3 days.


Empyreans are not the standard. The current standard is almost half naked losers failing miserably, leeching off of the 2-4 people actually putting effort in. Now if you want to say it's more common to encounter empyreans in an organized event group or shell, then yes.

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And for the record Tachi: Fudo is better than Quietus, despite both SAM and DRK being "lol-worthy". Our new WS is on the low end, of the low end. If we got Quietus 3-4 years ago it would be one of the best WS in the game. But like I said, the standard is different now.


Fudo is better in almost all situations, not because the WS itself is that much better, but because Overwhelm is @#%^ing boss.

That said, Torcleaver, properly built, rapes Fudo if you're going for BNS pleasing WSes. It has a significantly larger fTP, better base damage on weapon, and DRK's Vit gear has gotten a lot better over the last year.

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As far as Abyssea, it's not going anywhere. It hasn't even been a year since it ended. Sky, Sea, Limbus, Einherjar, Salvage, etc. still remained popular years after they were introduced. People still do Dynamis, to this day. So the idea that Abyssea will somehow become unpopular over the next 6ish months, simply because of a level cap raise, is kinda silly. Especially considering the fastest way to EXP is still Fell Cleave, and you still need 175 HNM drops to even upgrade Empyrean to level 90. Also, AF3+2. SE never replaces it's new "high end" gear quickly.


The fact it's not going anywhere is the point. It's over. The ease of abyssea will only kill it faster. I came back from a long break, starting just after visions, and got leveled all my jobs 75/80-90, got all the important atmas, all wins, shin kill, had 5/5 AF3+2 for all my jobs, leveled a new job from 37, got its 5/5 AF3+2, and completed an empyrean in just a month. There's nothing really left for me personally in abyssea, and I'm sure there will be a lot more like me, especially since Abyssea will only get EVEN EASIER as the level caps rise, new gear comes out, and adjustments to jobs and the areas themselves are implemented (Gold Boxing sh*tty NM KIs is a perfect example).

There's going to be 9 new levels of gear, at least one new event (well continuation of a new event), and revamps of CoP Dynamis, Salvage, and Limbus at very least. SE has already added ways to make old gear almost as good as or, in some cases, better than AF3+2. Not only that, but those Empyreans you hold in such high regard, will more than likely need to be upgraded in some event outside of abyssea now for 95-99 upgrades, possibly only for the 99 upgrade as they could make Shin kills count as one upgrade.

Using EXP as a reason people won't move on from abyssea is just plain stupid. It's like those old players counting exp/merit parties as end game. It will be popular for that yes, but it won't be THE Endgame that it currently is, by combination of the things I've said.


Abyssea can only go downhill from here.

Edited, Jul 7th 2011 4:03pm by Return1
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