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#1 May 13 2009 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The past 2 days we've gotten Gendawa with following augment

#1: RATK +15, delay -9% (Should place it at 550 delay)
#2: RATK +14, store tp +3

Either of this comparable to Ebow?
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#2 May 14 2009 at 12:24 AM Rating: Default
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to be honest i have no idea if either is worth a crap.
but just on a first glance i gota say they both look sweet 76 base 15ish+ratt, store tp or -delay! hell id like to play around with either. with the store tp on a 600 delay bow i wonder if barrage will give you over 100 tp?


btw how did you get these aug's?

[edit] nvm i looked it up found out its a annm

Edited, May 14th 2009 4:27am by xvincentx
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#3 May 14 2009 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
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E-Bow:        DMG 71, DLY 490, AGI +3, STR +3, RATK +23, RACC +2 
Gendawa:      DMG 76, DLY 600, AGI +2 
Aug. Gendawa: DMG 76, DLY 546, AGI +2, RATK +15 


Aside from the delay, they look comparable. How important the added delay is depends on how good you are at mashing your ranged attack macro.

Store TP is hard to judge. With a bow delay of 600 and ammo delay of 120, you only need Store TP +6 to reach 100 TP in six hits. Store TP +8 with ammo delay of 90. I think I did that math right. How useful that is, I don't know. Also depends on how much ranged accuracy you get for having over 100 TP on Sidewinder.
#4 May 14 2009 at 12:43 AM Rating: Default
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yea, i want one how hard was the fight?

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#5 May 14 2009 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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getting there is about the bitchiest part of the entire thing, 6 ghost add, 1 djinn that wanders around and just attacking anything within its range, but every now and then enter a dormant state where you can just destroy it.
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#6 May 14 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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In worst case scenario, it's 3 BD (Aug Gendawa) and 10 ratk (Ebow). I said in the past 1 BD is roughly 4-5 ratk without much of buff, worth more than 5 ratk with big ratk buff.

I guess in term of damage, Aug Gendawa has an edge here. Not to mention 546 delay makes it easier to do 6-hit build.
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#7 May 14 2009 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
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Keep spamming the ANNM, there are still better Aug's you can get on the Gendawa.
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#8 May 14 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Planning to, since they nerfed manoples, we've been doing eldieme for adaman cuirasses instead, but was pretty surprised on these gendawas.

The JP wiki listed the possible augment as STR+, Store TP+, Ranged Atk +, Resist Gravity+, and Delay-

Edited, May 14th 2009 1:27pm by ArsDraconis
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#9 May 14 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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The one on BG I saw had like +6 STR, Ratck??, and -Delay.
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#10 May 14 2009 at 7:56 PM Rating: Default
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ArsDraconis wrote:
The past 2 days we've gotten Gendawa with following augment

#1: RATK +15, delay -9% (Should place it at 550 delay)
#2: RATK +14, store tp +3

Either of this comparable to Ebow?


Nope
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#11 May 14 2009 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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midguardian wrote:
 
E-Bow:        DMG 71, DLY 490, AGI +3, STR +3, RATK +23, RACC +2 
Gendawa:      DMG 76, DLY 600, AGI +2 
Aug. Gendawa: DMG 76, DLY 546, AGI +2, RATK +15 


Aside from the delay, they look comparable. How important the added delay is depends on how good you are at mashing your ranged attack macro.

no its not, unless you mash differently with the different bows, lower delay is lower delay

midguardian wrote:
Store TP is hard to judge. With a bow delay of 600 and ammo delay of 120, you only need Store TP +6 to reach 100 TP in six hits. Store TP +8 with ammo delay of 90. I think I did that math right. How useful that is, I don't know. Also depends on how much ranged accuracy you get for having over 100 TP on Sidewinder.


without delay-:
gendawa + 90 delay ammo = 15.6 tp, sTP+7 to get a 6 hit

with delay-:
gendawa(aug) + 90 delay ammo = 15.2 tp, sTP+9 to get a 6 hit

pretty sure you missed a truncate...

sTP+3 by itself, like most sTP+ that's less than +5, is worthless. its use comes from not requiring you to swap out good gear pieces, for lesser pieces that have sTP.

ranger doesn't have access to a lot of sTP gear, and a large chunk of it is nigh worthless outside of that sTP(cobra gear/enkidu legs/brutal/almah).

there are basically 2 pieces of gear for ranger with sTP that would be worth using if they didn't have that sTP. skadi legs, and rajas.

assuming 90 delay ammo:

600 delay
skadi pants by themselves give a 6-hit, sTP+3 isn't enough to give a 5-hit
rajas by itself does not give a 6-hit, sTP+3 will give you that 6-hit
skadi+rajas gives a 6-hit but no 5-hit, sTP+3 isn't enough to give a 5-hit

546 delay
skadi pants by themselves do not give a 6-hit, sTP+3 will give you that 6-hit
rajas by itself does not give a 6-hit, sTP+3 will not give you that 6-hit either
skadi+rajas gives a 6-hit but no 5-hit, sTP+3 isn't enough to give a 5-hit

it's late here, so i'm not gonna run through the math for /sam, or the various sTP only gear, suffice to say, unless you have skadi pants and get the delay- augment, sTP+3 is more or less worthless

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on the real comment of these bows vs e-bow... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Even if you get every augment that's been mentioned in this thread, and end up w/ a bow thats:
DMG 76 DLY 600 AGI+2 STR+6 RATK +15 delay-9% sTP+3
it's STILL worse than e-bow

56 delay 8 RATK beats 5 dmg 3 str

e-bow beats every bow in existence with the exception of stage-5 relic, and even then its not a huge loss for e-bow until you factor in triple-damage procs, the e-bow is just that good.

it(the augmented gendawa) would however beat out s-bow and cerb bow+1, and would give futatokoroto(stage-4 relic) a run for its money(5 dmg -6 delay vs 6 str 15 ratt).
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#12 May 15 2009 at 1:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I doubt RATK matters that much to overtake base damage at 8 RATK vs 5 DMG

And as far as the delay is concerned, Ranged attack operate under 100 delay per second doesn't it? So that 56 delay isn't nearly as significant as it would be on melee weapons.
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#13 May 15 2009 at 4:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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sscearcev wrote:
without delay-:
gendawa + 90 delay ammo = 15.6 tp, sTP+7 to get a 6 hit


15.6 * 1.07 = 16.6 unless I am mistaken about how TP is truncated.

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56 delay 8 RATK beats 5 dmg 3 str

e-bow beats every bow in existence with the exception of stage-5 relic, and even then its not a huge loss for e-bow until you factor in triple-damage procs, the e-bow is just that good.


Aside from the delay difference, the augmented Gendawa and E-Bow ARE comparable. How big a deal is 56 delay? Depends on how well you time your ranged attacks.

E-Bow is a good bow, but it is not so much better than this agumented Gendawa or S-bow.
#14 May 15 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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56 delay 8 RATK beats 5 dmg 3 str

uh... no. big no here. 8 ratk doesn't beat 5 damage. Not a chance.
56 delay difference is practically 39 delay after snapshot merit, mirke, and VS.
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#15 May 17 2009 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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VZX wrote:
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56 delay 8 RATK beats 5 dmg 3 str

uh... no. big no here. 8 ratk doesn't beat 5 damage. Not a chance.
56 delay difference is practically 39 delay after snapshot merit, mirke, and VS.


Not saying VZX is a god or anything, but there is no one posting in this forum or any other FFXI forum that I read whose opinion I trust more.

Now, how does the bow "Feel" is a good question. If the bow "Feels" the same or better than an e-bow it might be worth looking into. I'd rock one and sell my E-bow then turn around and buy my K.O.
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