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this probably doesn't deserve it's own thread, but no idea where else to put it.

anyone know somebody who is working on aymur, or ever toyed with the idea of going after it? i know the mythics in general are kinda hit or miss, but this one seems like it could be kinda nice with the upgraded pet attack bonus 2 and enhanced sic and ready.

back ages ago... before i started my project onthe guttler i did however look into getting a aymur but then my main problem was to get the title for the TOAU beastmen kings and the next would be the ZNM trophy stuff..


basicly if u can get the title and the znm part done then ur done.


as for myself i stopped on it due to i cant get those and as for guttler... cant get a ls to get me the dam fragments and attes..


but if i was to start it up again i think i would rock with the aymur instead than the guttler seeing as the ready with jugs are very potent now

So far, to my knowledge, I believe none have ever been created.

Race me for first? ;)

Very cool! I don't know anyone closer. I'm far far away from it ^.^

between Farsha, Aymur, and Guttler I think Aymur is the best. then again it just fits my playstyle the closest.

Attack bonus 3 for the pet on the most upgraded version and aftermath for both pet and player fits my ideas of how beastmaster should be better than farsha and guttler.

Farsha and Guttler seem to ignore the pet more.

We need more scientific info on cloudsplitter. The war that got the axe and simply reported "it sucks" gives no other info at all. He's probably never played bst before so doesn't know how to buff up an elemental weaponskill like a bst does with primal rend. I was really hoping for a bst to get the axe first so we could get some real testing on it. We need infor on day/weather/obi bonuses as well as mnd as a possible mod and the effect of adding MAB. I'm sure he used none of that stuff in his "test".

Alot of the Empyreal weaponskills are "unimpressive" if you try to gear as you would for previous weaponskills.

Also, adding atma make plenty of the empyreal weaponskills go from competitive with previous weaponskills to just flat out better.

Yes

congrats, a fully upgraded Aymur is pretty darn sweet. I would take it over farsha any day.

Not using any MAB gear in your WS macro?

Of course! I've got Novio, Hecate's and Ugglelepih neck. I was WHM last night, so didn't get a chance to get my STR and MND.

Might as well update my progress here

Assaults, Titles, Nyzul Isle, Einherjar completed!
Alexandrite 9100/30,000
ZNM Trophy 1/3

Currently been able to pull in about 1000 Alex a week, so if that trend continues it looks like August will be my completion date.

Agreed! keep it up. Sounds like you may be the first to ever get Aymur.

A fully upgraded Aymur looks so sweet. pet attack +48 is pretty sweet. Aftermath for both you and pet... really the best axe.

I wouldn't be surprised if pet attack bonus goes up to 60 in another upgrade.

attack + for pets makes a very noticeable difference. I'd love to have it for testing alone if there was nothing else.

That is dedication, good luck! ^^

Once I saw your post I had to go check the magian trials for aymur as well. They are tedious, but not really that bad.
I'd love to hear how the performace is when it finishes... and It just looks so darn cool!

I'm rather hoping Aymur's "Enhances sic & ready commands" will include another tp bonus and stack w/ Ferine Manoplas +2.

I hope its a bit more than manplas though.. if its at least a 55 tp bonus, I'd be happy. having tp bonues 100 for pets would be quite nice.

Aymur Locked mine. :D

CONGRATULATIONS!!! I want to see pics!!

1st Aymur! Way to go!


Ohhhhh... I was just reading up on aftermath a bit.. and it might be worth it to get 300% aftermath w/ Aymur. If it lasts 120s that is 2 min of OA2 from pet and master... especially w/ that attack+ pets can hit pretty hard, and especially outide abyssea our WS are not super fantastic.

Edited, May 17th 2011 2:17am by Xilk

took a little poking around, so I'm adding links:

http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/57164

http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/57175

just finish the unlock and only 6 more trials to go.....

Edited, May 17th 2011 5:47am by Xilk

So Aymur is just guttler's more eloquent cousin?

Why are the axes so hungry for dead things?

ZNM 3/3!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Going to Graveyard to pick up unlocked now, will post quickie tests in a min ^^

yeah, capped at 535 hp means it was a level 89 lulush, you will cap at 250% tp even w/out gloves.

If you DID infact get 535 while at 175% then its more of a TP bonus than Manoplas. if you got up to 200% before it actually went off, then its still around 50 TP bonus like Manoplas are.

W/ attack+ (maybe some STR needed as well, I'm not clear on how to gear a mnk) Merle really has the potential to be the best DD pet. Martial arts, counter, & kick attacks makes merle attack alot more often that other pets, and merle gain's tp fastest. I've been wanting to tinker w/ GH, RR, and SS for merle. I think I'll do that tomorrow :P Aymur gives you the attack+ that another superior atma would give, but w/out needing to use the atma. Granted, its not quite there yet.. but the level 90 certainly will be.

I wonder if the OA2 will be mitigated by Double attack or triple attack though. It might mean that you dont' want the OA2~4 axe instead of double attack axe when paired w/ aymur, and depedning on the rate of multi-attacks, you may not want the DA/TA atma's on.

For a max DD setup w/ Aymur, It would push in favor of Gnarled Horn, Razed ruins, and Sanguine Scythe, and getting your multihits from the Aftermath+offhand axe. Instead of getting triple attack from Apocalypse or Lion atmas. +60% crit damage and 75% crit rate are pretty darn awesome.

Edited, May 19th 2011 5:23am by Xilk

That's really awesome, congrats!

There are a few possibilities.

1) The OA2 effect stacks w/ DA/TA like a temperance weapon... In which case, AoA would still be a top choice. You are going to average the same number of hits as you would w/ 45% Double attack. Which 45% is the same percent as many of the Mythic OA2 aftermath effects.

2) IF it doesn't stack, then it may be more effective to focus on the OAX path. Unlike other Aftermath effects, Aymur affects pets also. If you get 2 min of 45% multi attack on both master and pet, thats like equipping that portion of Atma of the Apocalypse, w/out equipping atma of the apocalypse. And if you have AoA equipped, it will actually reduce the effectiveness of the aftermath, the same as current OAX weapons and Double attack/triple attack do not stack.

Haste is not an effective way to improve pets. We cannot get high enough haste values to make it better than other options. the most influential factors for pet dd are Crit hits and Multi-hits, followed closely by attack. Crit-hits will improve ratio better than the actual attack score will, even though its easy to see a clear improvement by both together. This takes advantage of out pets best dd advantage: 4.2 cap to attack/def ratio.

In such a case, RR + SS + GH will probably be the best DD atma's for bst. Having 70% crit rate and +60~68% crit damage (depending if WAR type pet or other) is alot of damage. I've stacked up the attack+ on pet w/ just RR and attack +. I could hit 650 crit hits from pet. Granted I had 2x attack + atma. level 90 Aymur is more attack + than 1 of the atma I was using. If pets has 2 min of 70% hits for 700 and 45% increase on that, that seriously competes w/ our WS damage. Also, lasting 2 full minutes on the aftermath, means a bst probably doesn't NEED to charge 300% every-time. If in a high haste situation, you can probably charge to 300 for the aftermath, drop 2x rampage in between, then go for the aftermath again.

still need more information to nail it down. but its very possible.

what time would that be?