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#1 Aug 25 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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I would like to get a list together of the exact killer+ effect we get on each piece of gear and food. Now that we have our AF3+2 we can do this( for every 2 killer+ we get +1% damage done). So far this is what I have tested, I would really like to see what some more exotic food might do.

Enchances all

Killer Bow: +2 killer effect
flawless ribbon: +1

Undead Killer
Exorcist Hose: +2
Marinara Pizza: +5

Plantoid Killer
Ginger Cookie: +10
Wizard Cookie: +12
Pipilaka Belt: +5

Lizard Killer
Goblin Chocolate: +10
Bison Steak: +5
Panther Mask: +5
#2 Dec 10 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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If you're still interested in this, I added everything I could get my hands on to bgwiki. I'm still missing a few obscure pieces of food and the level 50~55 Garrison Killer earrings, along with the Maze Monger weapons.
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#3 Dec 10 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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hmmm what wer those had armor that was added in one of the recent update that had killer effects... was it plant killer or bird killer... can't rmember.
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#4 Dec 11 2011 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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Melaco Mittens? They're +5.

I'm mostly missing pieces of gear that BST can't wear and the level 50/55 earrings.

Vermin Killer - Insect/Vermin Slayer, Kogglemander/Zonure
Bird Killer - Fowling Earring
Amorph Killer - Done~!
Lizard Killer - Scheherazade/Ermine's Tail
Aquan Killer - Admiral's Shield, Aquan/Marine Slayer, Epsilon Earring (in Salvage)
Plantoid Killer - Barkborer/Eventreuce, Epsilon Earring (in Salvage)
Beast Killer - Vendetta/Onishibari/Zaide, General's/Koenig/Kaiser Shield, Beast Slayer, Rogue Riceball with enhancing gear/atma on (I haven't been able to find one)
Demon Killer - Demon/Devil Slayer, Staurobow/+1, Sanctus Rosary, Dragon Steak, Red Curry, Hellsteak/+1?, Dragon Soup, Atma of ****'s Guardian
Dragon Killer - Hrotti, Dragon/Wyrm Slayer, Bahamut's Mask, Oneiros Cape, Hellsteak/+1?
Undead Killer - Esquire's Mantle, Vampiric Mitts, Templar Mace
Arcana Killer - Messhikimaru, Naval Rice Ball
Italicized means BST can wear it.

SE has been pretty consistent with killer effects across groups. If we could test one earring (both ways) and one Maze Mongers weapon (Koggle or Barkborer), it would knock a lot of the list out. I can also probably eliminate Shrimp Cracker/+1, Byakko's Axe, and Seiryu's Sword without even testing them because they're party of "families" that we already know the value for.

Edited, Feb 4th 2012 6:28pm by Byrthnoth

Edited, Feb 10th 2012 3:21am by Byrthnoth
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#5 Feb 01 2012 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Byrthnoth wrote:
SE has been pretty consistent with killer effects across groups. If we could test one earring (both ways) and one Maze Mongers weapon (Koggle or Barkborer), it would knock a lot of the list out. I can also probably eliminate Shrinp Cracker/+1, Byakko's Axe, and Seiryu's Sword without even testing them because they're party of "families" that we already know the value for.


The Killer Effects testing in the BG Random Facts Thread is awesome. :D I double-checked some of'em when I was testing Vermin Earring, and I got identical results on pretty much everything.

There was one item that I checked out though, Bibiki Seashell, which I saw reported as having +5 Aquan Killer, but when I tested it, I saw only +2 Aquan Killer (1026 dmg on Slasher without, 1036 dmg with, 1% dmg increase). Haha, nevermind, I must've screwed that up. ~_~

Bibiki Seashell: 960 without, 979 with Seashell (+2% dmg increase), 988 with Shell+Trousers+1 (+3% dmg increase, proving it was at an odd Killer Effect number)

Another item confirmed then. XD

With regards to Bird Killer effects, do you think there's a possible cookie/cracker that has a Bird Killer bonus that we haven't found yet...? :) I think every other BST killer trait has a food associated with it.

Some other tested items that I cooked up:

Tested the Aquan Killer food on Slashers:
Acorn Cookie (NQ Food): Duration 3 mins, 1026 without, 1075 with (5% damage boost, so +10 Aquan Killer)
Wild Cookie (HQ Food): Duration 5 mins, 1026 without, 1085 with (6% damage boost, so +12 Aquan Killer)

Tested the Beast Killer food on Limestone Hares:
Spicy Cracker (NQ Food): Duration 3 mins, 1016 without, 1069 with (5% damage boost, so +10 Beast Killer)
Red Hot Cracker (HQ Food): Duration 5 mins, 1016 without, 1078 with (6% damage boost, so +12 Beast Killer)

Tested the Plantoid Killer food on Highland Treants:
Wizard Cookie (HQ Food): Duration 5 mins, 1193 without, 1263 with (6% damage boost, so +12 Plantoid Killer)

Tested the Undead Killer food on Bog Body:
Garlic Cracker (NQ Food): Duration 3 mins, 3168 without, 3326 with (5% damage boost, so +10 Undead Killer)

It's all basically what you'd expect.

Another Edit: Did some Demon Killer testing with Sanctus Rosary and Hellsteak, targeting Gruesome Gargouille in Vunkerl[A]:

Sanctus Rosary: 1040 without, 1050 with (1% damage boost, so +2 Demon Killer)
Hellsteak: 1033 without, 1033 with (didn't detect any damage increase with this food, and no sign of any intimidation procs after an hour of testing)

With regards to Dragon Killer effect however (tested on Peapuks):

Hellsteak: 1184 dmg without, 1179 dmg with (This made no sense to me, but I triple-checked my numbers, and I thought I was on the right track with this one because there were a number of intimidation procs going on at the same time...)





Edited, Feb 2nd 2012 12:50am by Bookmarku
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#6 Feb 02 2012 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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If you are on the test server, you can get a Flawless Ribbon (+1 to all killer effects) in order to easily test every non-head-slot for odd/even.
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Byrthnoth wrote:
If you are on the test server, you can get a Flawless Ribbon (+1 to all killer effects) in order to easily test every non-head-slot for odd/even.


Oh nice, do they hand those out for free on the test server? :o That would help a lot.

Some of these items like the Sanctus Rosary and Hellsteak, I don't think I have those on my test server account. ; ;
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#8 Feb 02 2012 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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You can delete and re-migrate your character data to get them, if you want.
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#9 Feb 04 2012 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm gonna save some ABCs and get that Flawless Ribbon, fo' sho.

Was able to snag some Gold Lobsters on the AH and craft Shrimp Crackers/+1. Tested on Gneiss Leeches:

Shrimp Cracker (NQ food): 3 min duration, 1128 without, 1183 with (5% damage boost, so +10 Amorph Killer)
Shrimp Cracker +1 (HQ food): 5 min duration, 1128 without, 1192 with (6% damage boost, so +12 Amorph Killer)

I did a double check on even/odd with the Beast Trousers+1, but of course these foods all follow the same pattern, and they behaved as predicted when double-checked.
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#10 Feb 04 2012 at 4:54 AM Rating: Good
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The Flawless Ribbon is stored on the Limbus slip, so you can get one for free on the test server.

Edit: I edited my post above to reflect what we've learned. It appears we can kill many many birds by testing one of the weapons from MMM.

Edited, Feb 4th 2012 6:09am by Byrthnoth
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Byrthnoth wrote:
The Flawless Ribbon is stored on the Limbus slip, so you can get one for free on the test server.


Niiiiice, didn't realize that, thanks!
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Added Panther Mask +1 (same killer amount as NQ). I have a friend who did a lot of MMM when it came out, so I will try to get a weapon by going with him.

Naval/Rogue Rice Ball is testable on BST using the Riceball Atma, but they have not sold on my server since 2005. Many of the ones BST cannot use would have to be done by just pulling a crowd of low level monsters of the right type on something/RDM and parsing it.

By the way, the most recent test server update seems to have broken it for me. Is it the same for you?
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Byrthnoth wrote:
Added Panther Mask +1 (same killer amount as NQ).


This makes me sad - more Lizard Killer availability would be nice.

Byrthnoth wrote:
I have a friend who did a lot of MMM when it came out, so I will try to get a weapon by going with him.


Excellent. I'm 0/3 myself, gonna keep saving C.C.s and trying. :)

Byrthnoth wrote:
By the way, the most recent test server update seems to have broken it for me. Is it the same for you?


More sadness - yeah, the test server isn't working for me either. ; ;
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After 10 hours of casket farming in Ro'Maeve (*shakes fist*) and, thankfully, a 1/1 encounter with Mr. Erebus, I now have Diana Corona and Nyx Gorget for Arcana Killer testing. I conducted these on the Spheroids in Mis Coast[A]. [Edit: Oh, and it wasn't a Full Moon, so there was no MAB involved.]

Diana Corona testing:
1114 without, 1138 with Diana Corona (2% damage increase, so either +4 or +5 Arcana Killer)

Nyx Gorget testing:
1114 without, 1125 with Nyx Gorget (1% damage increase, so either +2 or +3 Arcana Killer)

Diana Corona+Nyx Gorget testing:
1114 without, 1160 with Diana Corona+Nyx Gorget (4% damage increase, and the only way to achieve +8 Arcana Killer is if Diana is +5 and Nyx is +3, yes?)

Therefore,

Diana Corona is +5 Arcana Killer effect
Nyx Gorget is +3 Arcana Killer effect
And from this test I would assume that the Sanctus Rosary was Demon Killer +3 (I can test for sure once I can get Flawless Ribbon, either on the test server or main server).

Edited, Feb 5th 2012 8:26pm by Bookmarku
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We went with the harder = higher drop rate rule of thumb in MMM, and allow me to inform you that the monsters there can still be pretty ridiculously tough. Killed a beetle with infinitely high defense on BLU + WAR + DNC + WHM. If it wasn't for the BLU's breaths, it would have been a very long fight.
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Something else to consider... BLU gets Undead, Lizard, Plantoid, and Beast Killer before 49. SE has gimped some of BLU's traits in the past, so it might be worth testing their potency.

Just putting this here so I see it in the future. =P

PS. They fixed the test server.
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Would the blu traits stack with the bst native traits? I guess even if not could test undead killer anyway since bst doesn't get it natively
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Would the blu traits stack with the bst native traits?

I would be very surprised if it did. I can't think of any case where job traits of the same kind from two different jobs are additive.
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yeah I didn't think so, thanks for the confirmation.

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#20 Mar 27 2012 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Cooked up some Walnut Cookies (got a 0.1 skillup too, hoot) and tested them on Frigatebirds in Mis[A] on lightningsday. Only had DA+11% Ganelon and Ferine Gausape +2 equipped for the tests.

No Food - 300% TP Primal Rend did 951
Walnut Cookie - 300% TP Primal Rend did 996 (+5% damage).

So they finally released the Bird Killer food, haha. :)
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#21 Mar 27 2012 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm going to have to cook all my own cookies/crackers
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A very considerate bst sent me some of the new bird killer+ food
the hq is called Juglan Jumble

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Bookmarku wrote:
And from this test I would assume that the Sanctus Rosary was Demon Killer +3 (I can test for sure once I can get Flawless Ribbon, either on the test server or main server).


And now that I have a Flawless Ribbon, here is some Demon Killer testing... :)

300% TP Cloudsplitter vs. Gruesome Gargouille

Sanctus Rosary:

Ferine Gausape +2 - 1107
Ferine Gausape +2, Sanctus Rosary - 1118 (+1% damage, so either +2 or +3 Demon Killer)
Ferine Gausape +2, Flawless Ribbon, Sanctus Rosary - 1129 (+2% damage, which means Sanctus Rosary is +3 Demon Killer)

Dragon Soup:

No Body Armor, Dragon Soup - 1123
Ferine Gausape +2, Dragon Soup - 1145 (+2% damage, so either +4 or +5 Demon Killer)
Ferine Gausape +2, Flawless Ribbon, Dragon Soup - 1156 (+3% damage, so Dragon Soup is +5 Demon Killer)

Red Curry:

No Body Armor, Red Curry - 1128
Ferine Gausape +2, Red Curry - 1150 (+2% damage, so either +4 or +5 Demon Killer)
Ferine Gausape +2, Flawless Ribbon, Red Curry - 1150 (+2% damage, so Red Curry is +4 Demon Killer)

More numbers:
Ferine Gausape +2, Sanctus Rosary, Red Curry - 1161 (+3% damage - Demon Killer is +7 here)
Ferine Gausape +2, Sanctus Rosary, Flawless Ribbon, Red Curry - 1173 (+4% damage - and Demon Killer is +8 here)
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Cool! Thanks!

Red Curry Buns (and +1) also give Demon Killer. I still don't have an odd source of Demon Killer, so I still can't test them.
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Red Curry buns give the same Demon Killer as Red Curry. :) Edit: Haven't checked the +1 version yet.

And one of the new foods, Smoldering Salisbury Steak, gives Dragon Killer +5%. A friend in my LS noticed it was intimidating Wyverns, so I checked it out on Peapuks in Vunkerl[A].

300% TP Primal Rend vs. Puks:
No Body Armor - 881
Ferine Gausape +2 - 898 (+2% damage, so either +4 or +5 Dragon Killer)
Ferine Gausape +2 and Flawless Ribbon - 907 (+3% damage, so it was +5 Dragon Killer)


Edited, May 1st 2012 6:21pm by Bookmarku
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I finally got ****'s guardian, so I'll test the demon killer for that soon.

I think its +10 demon killer, but need to make a more controlled test.
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