Goodbye dipper goodbye falcorr, it was funFollow

As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.

-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.


Here is the premise regarding the hierarchy of the Treasure Hunter effect (from strongest to weakest).

1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

※As ranger received the new “Bounty Shot” as a support ability, it is now slightly more beneficial than a support job Treasure Hunter when effectively used.

However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, our current aim was to find adjustments appropriate to follow this.

The prime example of changes to this hierarchy were with the increase in the Treasure Hunter effect for familiar pets due to the level cap increase and we would like to start by adjusting this area.

The development team looked into routes to adjust this, such as changing the pet’s job, lowering the stats of the pets in exchange for not lowering the Treasure Hunter effect, revamping the pet’s special abilities, etc., but ultimately they made the decision to preserve their fighting capabilities and only reduce their Treasure Hunter effect. To go along with this adjustment, we will be easing up on the materials required to synthesize “Lucky Broth” which created with the basis of the Treasure Hunter effect in mind.
※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.


To give a bit more insight, the development team looked into a completely different direction on this at first, exploring if they could establish proper balance to follow this idea by changing the drop rate table. However, if they were to change the drop rates, the obtainment rate for every single item would change and the effects would be too drastic, so they came to the conclusion that they would not be adjusting the drop rates. Straight from SEs mouth folks, I copy and pasted from the main thread in the general forums. Best farm quickly and make some money or seals or what ever now before they drop this nerf bat.

when does this come into effect i havent seen any dates yet before the nerf?

Incoming EVA nerf next since THF is supposed to be the best at EVA.

bst can't wear a tarutaru sash tho ;;

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/13212/tarutaru-sash

I didn't realize that BST couldn't wear it. If BST could, then it would simply be a matter of performing some kind of action on the mob at the start of the fight to "tag" it, and then let the pet do the rest of the work.

yeah it is pretty brutal.

And judging from all the other recently added pet buffing gear the TH+ bit (if it ever actually gets added) will be unobtainable for the majority of players, especially the happy go lucky gimps like me.

Ah well.

Times like these I feel like they are almost deliberately trying to drive me away from the game.

I know. Having TH from the master means you wouldn't necessarily have to use a pet that has TH. That's how BSTs used to farm back before Dipper Yuly. That's still going to be an option after this upcoming pet TH nerf.

so the next update is Feb 14 on tuesday so am guessing is when the nerf gonna happen.

Yea that's correct, this update is our nerf day. Instead of being showered with love, nerf bats will be dispensed.

This x 1,000,000

Once they hit us I wonder who's next? Why can't people top whining cause they don't know how to compete?

/rage off

Alright, SE finding more ways to sh*t on BST everyday. /sigh...

I wouldn't make removing an increased .002% chance of something dropping a deciding factor on whether I played a game. But who knows, maybe I just don't appreciate drama like the rest of these posters.

well, TH nerf is just around the corner... guess we'll just have to adjust with the changes again.
Bring It On SE! >:]

let's keep everyone posted of the new pet TH+ gears that will come out^^

I don´t know about others, but i wear Anwig head (pet: haste+5/dt-10%) when my pet does all the work.
I don´t have Spurrer (can be part of a hybrid set/pet set if you need Anwig for another job), and Brego head is underwhelming at best (in my book). For TP phase, I use Ocelomeh head +1 combined with Toci´s. Do you care to explain why you think af3 head (+2) is so bad?

Edited, Mar 25th 2012 7:33am by Mosel

I don't have spurrer's. Pretty sure I'll go back and get it... but drop rate is quite poor.

Ferine Cabasset +2 is superior to brego's for TP.

I've had it long before Brego's was made.
I like the set bonus
It looks cool

Need anymore reasons?

Really? Care to math this out for me? I'm having a hard time grasping how 6STR can be winning out over 1% haste *and* up to 2% direct dmg increase, given the things people gave up for blitz/tiercel.

AFAIK proc rate is something like 2/5/7/10, though I'm not having any luck re-finding the link where this was discovered. Perhaps someone else has it handy?

Edit: this is my current master TP set: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/253741
Mainhand axe is STR, offhand is DA.

Edited, Mar 25th 2012 11:43am by KisharBlack

Sorry for leaving the calculations in the dark - I'm not much of a math person, but I have a DPS spreadsheet set up to calculate Beastmaster damage output. Here's some elaboration on what went on, and why the comparison leads to a marginal difference:

I assumed no buffs aside from RCB and pitted the BST against Decent Challenge Dynamis mobs. In low buff situations, capped gear haste doesn't always win (sometimes putting more oomph into your melee hits swings the victory to the lower haste setup). In high buff situations (Haste songs, Haste Samba, etc) the Ferine Cabasset +2 will win (also marginally). They are small differences, and I was merely pointing out that there was a hypothetical victor in that one situation so I wouldn't outright dismiss Shadowsong's choice, just as I wouldn't dismiss Xilk or Kishar's choice. As I said, I wear the AF3+2 head also, haha. But yeah, sorry for not being more clear, or for seeming contrary or whatevs. :3

Thanks for the info on the set proc bonus, those values sound familiar - maybe some of the DRK or PUP folks have data for set procs worked out if we're looking for an info source on that? I think we all share a similar set effect. :) By the way, did we ever hammer out the information for the Pet Correlation bonus on the head?

Edit:


Plugging in this gear setup, it's true, there's basically no way for Brego Helm to win. :3 (Edit: Oh, except against EP/DC fodder or 75 content stuff. Swapping in Brego and Tiercel will win in those cases. But for anything newer, yeah, Cabasset+2/Ferine Necklace are unstoppable.)

In high buff situations, against harder mobs like upper tier VW where accuracy won't always be capped, Ferine Cabasset +2 blows Brego Helm outta the water.

Edited, Mar 25th 2012 3:53pm by Bookmarku

Ok, good call, man. I tried as BST/SCH using Blizzard II as my INT checker.

I got some base values from various monster levels, and you were right the rabbits and lizards get nuked/CW'd for the same amounts.

Blizzard II - 184
Charged Whisker - 330

Blizzard II - 186
Charged Whisker - 333

Blizzard II - 187
Charged Whisker - 334

After getting the baseline values on various Rabbits and Lizards, I nuked a lizard for 187, equipped Ferine Cabasset +2, but the Charged Whisker still did 334 damage. Not really sure where to go from there. ; ;

I learned something about CW from doing this (maybe you already knew this...) - the damage doesn't vary with TP. o _o That was unexpected. Can it be resisted? Could TP affect M.Acc? Heck if I know.

Edit: From reading your testimonial, do you think that there is a proc rate associated with the Cabasset +2, or do you think it is a static bonus like on the similarly worded BLU headpiece.

There is a patch of level 70-only Crawlers in a corner of the Wajaom Woodlands map - I'm gonna try some AudaciousAnna fireballs to find out how audacious she really is.

Edit2: Carmine Eruca in Wajaom Woodlands with and without Ferine Cabasset +2:

Blizzard II - 181
Fireball - 194

Regardless of AF3+2 head being on or off, and also irrespective of TP percentage, AA will only produce 194 damage Fireballs. ; ;

Edit3: Ah, I guess it can be resisted and receive bonuses. But is the essential damage always 194 against any and all targets?

Level 95 AudaciousAnna vs. Tough Boulder Eater:

Fireball - 24 (resisted, 1/8 damage), 48 (resisted, 1/4 damage), 97 (resisted, 1/2 damage), 194 (unresisted damage), 213 (Day Bonus proc)

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 1:47am by Bookmarku

Yeah, I did knew that tp did not improve damage on the magical ready moves. I tried stacking the lightning damage + atma on Shasra a long time ago to AoE amber farm in abyssea. I think it only affects Macc, but that's only a guess.

Cursed sphere might be another good one for testing... I think it can actually do better damage.

I was thinking the bonus from the cabasset might have a proc rate. This is only a guess also from those 2x Ready moves I did which popped larger than expected numbers. They were both physical and they were rare boosts in damage.

Edit: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/22106-Ferine-Cabasset-Pet-Monster-correlation-effect-bonus-no-effect?p=298434#post298434
made a bug report thread for SE forums... we'll see if there is any response...

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 8:27am by Xilk

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 8:42am by Xilk

Well I found a thread giving the same numbers I did for set proc rate, but no figures backing it up, which is irritating.

I also found this untested theory on head effect:

Should be easy enough to check if anyone still has logs hanging round from other testing - do intimidations occur in 'pairs'/'batches' more frequently with the head on?


Edit: also, with the addition of Monster helm+2 and the change to Killer Instinct duration - what was the conclusion for the 'what Killer effect things stack with each other' question (am I right in recalling there being some weirdness with Ferine body stacking with other pieces)? Trying to work out whether helm & body would be a good WS combo while KI is active

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 3:46pm by KisharBlack

Ah, fair enough - thanks! I guess that's at least one piece of the set I don't need to HQ then.

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 5:04pm by KisharBlack

I'd forgotten about the aug on it tbh, yeah more KI duration is great but the effort... lol. I guess I am in Dyna enough that I could probably get it eventually just from farming sessions.

I'm also pretty interested to see how much they boosted Falcorr, given that they initially said they weren't going to but only adjust the recipe. Hope it's a substantial boost, having a genuinely competitive bird-type DD pet would be awesome.

Edited, Mar 26th 2012 5:07pm by KisharBlack