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#1 May 09 2013 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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So, I was in my ls a few days ago and mentioned I wanted to try an all bst or all pet delve. I got the immediate response "BST can't do Delve"... unreal right? So, I asked why, and they said pets would be one shotted...hmm, that never stopped 18 bsts before. It takes a long time to one-shot 18 pets, but to test I went into Ceizak Battlegrounds and charmed a bunny and popped a Delve NM (the Twitherym). 2 minutes later my bunny dies, I charmed another, and another, etc. It was boring, easy for BST to hold forever if needed. I admit I only did 2% damage after maybe 4 pets, but imagine if that were 18 pets.

So, anyway, has anybody given this a try yet? So, I'm not saying we're going to go into a fracture and kill the end boss, but I am saying we could get clears and farm easy enough with a group of halfway decent BSTs.

Let me know if any career BSTs have thoughts on the subject.

Edited, May 11th 2013 2:51pm by RexWalker
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#2 May 14 2013 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Kinda considering a server transfer just so I can be one of those 18. Sounds like tons of fun!
#3 May 17 2013 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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yeah that would be pretty cool. It is worth a try just to see if an alliance could do it.
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#4 May 18 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
I haven't done Delve yet, however it could very well be reasonable that BST pets are little more than tissue paper to the new mobs.Given the feedback that entire alliances of heavily gear DDs and tanks are being eaten alive by some mobs, I get the distinct feeling that our current selection of jugs may very well be one/two shotted by the bosses.

I know there is a pet LS on Bahamut, I knew a few in there. I will see if they gave it a shot.
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#5 May 18 2013 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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So, I popped one for the **** of it and dipper would last about as long as the local T mobs you can charm in Ceiznak. Which is actually a solid 2-3 minutes, solo mind you, before getting killed. The problem is acc, the pets whiff, a lot, even with a decent pet acc build. Now I never invested in getting a pair of magians pet acc axes, but now might be the time... Anyway, with 18 local Tough pets it might work. In Foret and Morimar you could get 18 VTs, which would probably destroy anything quickly as long as it does not require some trick or gimmick that negates an only PDT strategy.

Edited, May 18th 2013 1:04pm by RexWalker
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#6 Jul 12 2013 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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I had a BST in my Delve alliance the other day (plasm farming, not an NM killing run). He was an extraordinarily well-geared BST, main-handing Bretheren Axe, off-handing Kraken Club, and spamming 4k Ruinators constantly. Pet's damage was largely negligible, but he was using the Couerl pet in the Morimar fracture. Since mobs there are lizard-type, Killer Instinct bonus was active giving a large boost to damage and substantial -DT to the rest of the party. Despite being laughed at for bringing BST to fracture, he outparsed most of the DD by a pretty sizeable chunk. I know the lolBST stigma will never change, but BST is quite viable now for fodder-killing fracture runs.
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#7 Jul 12 2013 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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If he was outparsing the other DD's your other DD's must have been horrible. Using an 11 damage club with a D skill where you're missing 80 acc and attack compared to an axe absolutely ruins your DoT. You will miss 90% of your club swings and get TP faster, and do far more damage with 2 axes.

I am so sick of people going, "It's expensive, it must be good."
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#8 Jul 13 2013 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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Between having tons of +acc on gear, eating sushi, and BRD songs, he didn't seem to be having any accuracy problems. I never said K Club is great bc it's expensive, I merely stated that it is what he was using. The other DD's parsed numbers that were pretty in line with what the norm is. They weren't "horrible" by any means.
#9 Jul 15 2013 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Except that it takes sushi, acc gear, and madrigals to cap axe's acc. Even then, it takes a LOT of acc gear. Club is 80 accuracy behind that. 80 att, too.

Anyone being out damaged by a guy missing almost half of his swings, and hitting for single digits on most of what lands is pretty terrible. I think your idea of what an acceptable DD is is pretty skewed.
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#10 Jul 16 2013 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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It takes all that to cap on the NMs, maybe, but not on the fodder mobs. He wasn't "missing half of his swings", or having accuracy problems at all.

I'm not saying Bretheren Axe/K. Club is the greatest setup ever. I agree he would probably have put up better numbers off-handing any of the newer axes. Nobody (except you) is trying to argue about the K Club. I merely stated that it is what this guy was using. That's ALL I said about it. Nobody is touting the merits of the freakin' club.

Get over the K Club part and read the post. I was merely stating that BST can now be a viable DD in fodder-farming fracture groups. Argue all you want about an irrelevant part of the post, but my main point holds true. BST can hold their own in a plasm farm. That's all I was saying.
#11 Jul 16 2013 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Howdy Xeno, long time no see pal!

I'm not 100% sure an x18 BST Delve would work, as there would be nothing to enfeeble the NM save for someone using acc down and attack down (from DipperYuly) TP moves. However, I think with x16 BST and x2 GEO (for debuffs like EVA Down, DEF Down) would help to turn the tide.

Just my 2 gil on the subject.
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