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#27 Apr 03 2014 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
I vaguely remember a guy eating a junk food diet(part of me thinks it was a professor) to prove that calories in-out is what matters most for weight loss.
That's pretty much my diet. I'm not giving up foods.
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The One and Only PoldaranI vaguely remember a guy eating a junk food diet(part of me thinks it was a professor) to prove that calories in-out is what matters most for weight loss. [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Head wrote:
And there was a documentary done in response to Supersize Me in which the guy ate a fast food only diet and lost some weight.[/link] It was actually pretty interesting to watch.


It was a guy who derived all his calories from eating Twinkies. I remember that experiment and while it was entertaining, calories in - calories out isn't the whole story. There is a concept called Metabolic Advantage that is associated with folks living paleo or otherwise low-carb lifestyles in which the theory is that calorie burning is more efficient.

As far as that super-size me documentary, I remember watching it and thinking the guy was an absolute nut job. The sheer amount of food he was trying to eat in a sitting would make anyone his body weight throw up. I know what he was trying to prove, but it wasn't the food alone that made him the way he was at the end of that experiment. He was definitely less healthy than he was before he started, but anyone who followed his ridiculous menu of way too much sugar would have the same result. He'd have a coke, and then a milkshake, and a couple burgers, and fries... At one point the spread in front of him just looked like a feast for a family of four. He still hasn't posted the detailed food logs - all we know for sure is that he only actually supersized 9 total times.

A better experiment would have been to have three single supersized meals per day and see what the results were from that, but he wanted to push 5k+ calories per day no matter what so he ordered what he wanted off the menu. So in the end, he proved that yes, eating 5k+ calories a day with little to no exercise can result in weight gain.

So glad he was able to clear that up for us.

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A better experiment would have been to have three single supersized meals per day and see what the results were from that, but he wanted to push 5k+ calories per day no matter what so he ordered what he wanted off the menu. So in the end, he proved that yes, eating 5k+ calories a day with little to no exercise can result in weight gain.


Which is more or less the same result that you'd get eating that many calories of home cooked meals. It's not the fast food that's bad, it's the quantities. It's unfortunate that folks like him feel the need to go overboard with these sorts of documentaries though, because they turn off people to the bigger issue, which is (or should be) about eating healthy. By turning it into a crusade against fast food, he stepped all over the message.
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I only watched about half of it (found the man to be annoying in the way he overreacted to the effects of the food even from the beginning)... but didn't he make it clear in the beginning that he wasn't going to be trying to eat reasonably during it? He was going to try to be the perfect customer. I think I recall him saying if he was asked if he wanted to Supersize it, he had to say yes? I always thought the documentary was less about the food, and more about the business practice and advertising efforts toward the customers.

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I only watched about half of it (found the man to be annoying in the way he overreacted to the effects of the food even from the beginning)... but didn't he make it clear in the beginning that he wasn't going to be trying to eat reasonably during it? He was going to try to be the perfect customer. I think I recall him saying if he was asked if he wanted to Supersize it, he had to say yes? I always thought the documentary was less about the food, and more about the business practice and advertising efforts toward the customers.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2014 9:58pm by TirithRR


Except that fell flat as well. 9 total times he was asked to supersize out of 90 total visits, if his numbers are to be believed. So 30% of the time he was asked, which certainly doesn't indicate that McDonald's was aggressively targeting their customers with these suggestive sales.

In the end. maybe I really *don't* know wtf he was trying to prove.
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9 / 90 = 30% ?

The supersize thing was only one example. It has been a while but I'm certain he listed his other rules at the start. Stuff like trying the whole menu, amongst other things.

And it along with other culture changes have caused them to change the way they advertise.

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#33 Apr 07 2014 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Yea I borked that formula or something. 10% is even less aggressive a marketing campaign.

His rules were just to try everything on the menu at least once, supersize any time he was asked, and eat all the food he ordered (no stopping when he's no longer hungry which isn't good advice for ANYONE).

It was a good experiment executed in an asinine way.
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It was a good experiment executed in an asinine way.

In addition to all the questionable methodology, it's worth noting that he (and the guy who did the same to show him wrong) are a sample size of one. They make for a decent story or movie material but in no way represent the nation as a whole or counter previous broader studies into the effects of high salt, high fat diets for good or for ill.
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#35 Apr 07 2014 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
Seems to me that the McDs menu is small enough that you could try everything on it twice in the space of 30 days without overeating, if you spaced things out properly.

Unless he had to try everything in every size it was offered, too.
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Even then, the only things "sized" are beverages and fries. Not as though you order a small cheeseburger.
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#37 Apr 07 2014 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't the dollar menu cheeseburger be the small cheeseburger, though?
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That's the McDouble and it's the same size patties as a standard cheeseburger, there's just two of 'em. At least when I worked there, you only had two sizes of patties. The 4oz "quarter pound" ones for Quarter Pounders (natch) and other specialty burgers and the 2oz size used on regular hamburgers, cheeseburgers, Big Macs, etc. Granted, that was before the "Angus burgers" and crap but I doubt those come in multiple patty sizes.
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Apparently the thing to do now is to buy a jr mcchicken and a mcdouble, and then combine them into a super sandwich.
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Thinking about it, the menu was probably smaller during the "Super Size Me" era since it was before dollar menus and the push for specialty burgers and ten different styles of chicken sandwich.
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Apparently the thing to do now is to buy a jr mcchicken and a mcdouble, and then combine them into a super sandwich.

The McGangBang. It's a lot of bread.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Apparently the thing to do now is to buy a jr mcchicken and a mcdouble, and then combine them into a super sandwich.

The McGangBang. It's a lot of bread.


A friend of mine used to order a double whopper with heavy bun.
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It's not the fast food that's bad, it's the quantities.


Not entirely true. Fast food contains a lot of salt which is not healthy.

http://www.mcdonaldsmenu.info/nutrition/
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gbaji wrote:
It's not the fast food that's bad, it's the quantities.


Not entirely true. Fast food contains a lot of salt which is not healthy.


Sure. So do most processed/packaged foods people buy in the supermarkets every day (presumably the most common alternative to fast food), plus a heapload of preservatives and other unhealthy things as well. Swapping a McDoubleBacon+Fries for a Swansons microwave dinner probably isn't buying you much health wise (although it will save you some cash, so there's that).

Don't get me wrong. I swore off fast food years ago (and McDonalds was on my "last resort" fast food list even before that), but what's most important is avoiding processed foods as much as possible. And eating reasonable portions.
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#45 Apr 08 2014 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
Non-fast food restaurant food also contains a lot of salt. It's why it's delicious. As one chef put it, "we season it properly."

The difference is that the food you cook at home, and the food they make in the higher end restaurants, tends to have the salt on the surface where it has more flavor impact. Whereas processed food mixes the salt throughout, and thus needs more to be noticeable.
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Lots of butter is why French croissants taste so good.
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I don't think anyone is advocating switching from Big Macs to Salisbury steak TV dinners or canned ravioli.
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I don't think anyone is advocating switching from Big Macs to Salisbury steak TV dinners or canned ravioli.


Advocating directly? No. Advocating by default? Absolutely. What percentage of people who decide to cut back on fast food as a result of a "fast food is bad" campaign are going to replace it with processed foods from the grocery store versus healthy home cooked meals from fresh ingredients? If all they hear is how bad fast food is, but not how bad any processed food is, the answer is likely to be "pretty darn high".
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If all they hear is how bad fast food is, but not how bad any processed food is, the answer is likely to be "pretty darn high".

Good thing people mention that all the time then. Hooray!
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