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#1 Aug 18 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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A Concentrated Discussion on New Jobs
An Informational Resource and Sanctuary for Job Dicussion

I. Foreword
II. Confirmed New Jobs
III. Party Position Distribution
IV. Weapon Category Distribution
V.Classes in Final Fantasy
VI. Developer Comments
VII. Conclusion


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I. Foreword____________________________________________________________

This isn't a post centered around any one new job, or claiming that said job will appear in an expansion pack, or a post describing a job idea I had. This is an attempt at a concentrated discussion on the possible new jobs in upcoming expansions. Essentially, I want to look at a variety of determining factors for what the new jobs could be, based on weapon category distributions, magical schools used, party position distribution and jobs appearing in previous Final Fantasy games. The intention is not to express my opinion, but to create an environment with all of the obvious material easily available to the reader, so that a healthy and contained discussion on these jobs can occur within this single thread, as opposed to spreading out all over.

I know that for now the job threads have either been nuked, moved or disappeared, so this may seem unnecessary, but I don't feel that all new job discussion is bad, as long as it has some educated thought behind it. So I created this post in an effort to bring together all job discussion into one safe zone where people hopefully won't fear being karma bombed into Timbuktu. Also, a general job discussion post would allow people with very basic opinions, ideas and insight to provide their feedback without having to feel as though they have enough to create an original post. This isn't necessarily a place to post your fully fleshed out job ideas with ability timers etc, though feel free if you wish. This is more a place for people to speculate intelligently based on all of the information before them and to collect that information in one easy to access resource. Feel free to post anything you think I missed or you feel to be improper.

II. Confirmed New Jobs________________________________________________

The following section is devoted to the announcement and discussion of any new job classes appearing in any upcoming expansion pack.

Wings of the Goddess released.

This section to be updated at the time of the next expansion.

III. Party Position Distribution________________________________________________

This section is dedicated to the current distribution of roles of those jobs already in Final Fantasy XI. This section is here to help us identify those categories that lack population, those that have excess etc, so as to help us hopefully better understand what job types would be the most likely to be introduced from a balance standpoint. This is going to be the most obvious to all of you, and although most of us know this I though it would be useful to place it here for easy reference.

Tank(2/18)
  • Paladin
  • Ninja

Healer(1/18)
  • White Mage
  • Dancer

Nuker(1/18)
  • Black Mage

Support(3/18)
  • Red Mage
  • Bard
  • Corsair

Damage Dealer(7/18)
  • Monk
  • Thief
  • Warrior
  • Dark Knight
  • Samurai
  • Dragoon
  • Ranger

Soloist(1/18)
  • Beastmaster

Hybrid(3/18)
  • Summoner
  • Blue Mage
  • Puppetmaster
  • Scholar


Distribution Reasoning
I have chosen to distribute the classes above in this manner because I feel that these are the overall roles of the jobs. In a majority (>=50%) of situations they are involved in both EXP and end game, these are the roles they are likely to play. Situational use was left out, I am well aware not all jobs have roles set in stone. I included Summoner and Blue Mage in the Hybrid role because they feature support abilities, heavy damage dealing capabilities and healing abilities. Their positions can radically vary the most. Red Mage remains in the support category despite their tendency to serve as main healers in most merit parties, because with the exception of merit PTs Red Mage is usually expected to focus on buffing and debuffing. Please note solo was not taken into account for any class other than the two Soloist classes. I chose to include Puppetmaster and Beastmaster as Soloists because although they can work well in teams their focus is on Solo play or play with groups of themselves. Dancer was added to the healer section due to healing being its primary function, despite the fact that it can arguably fill other roles. Scholar I chose to place in hybrid, though it could be easily placed in support, its ability to function as both healer, support or nuker effectively placed it in that role.

Distribution Discussion
As we can see here, the largest minority categories are Nukers followed closely by Healers, with only 1 job fitting into Nukers and 2 jobs fitting into Healers. Although Red Mage, Scholar, Blue Mage and Summoner can serve as healers, White Mage and Dancer are the only job whose entire focus is on healing. Black Mage is the only job with the main focus on dealing magical damage, although Red Mage, Scholar, Blue Mage and Summoner have access to magical based attacks, they are rubbish in comparison, more so than the equivalent healers are to White Mages.

The second minority groups are Tanks, Soloists and Hybrids, each with two, one and four members respectively. Although Warriors and Samurai can serve as tanks in some EXP situations, and Red Mages in some end game situations, the only two jobs who are expected to tank in most all situations are the Paladin and the Ninja. The only job specifically designed for soloing EXP is the Beastmaster, despite the proficiency that certain other jobs like Black and Blue Mage have discovered at soloing a small niche of enemies. The two jobs with the most ambiguous and/or shifting roles are Summoner and Blue Mage. Summoner's role shifts from Healer/Support to heavy Damage Dealer at end game. Blue Mage can play the role of a tank early, a damage dealer throughout and a decent healer/support when need be. Scholar also fits into the Hybrid role due to its ability to serve as support, healer or nuker effectively.

The Support group and Damage Dealer groups are the largest by far, with the damage dealers making up just under half of the job population. Corsair and Bard are pure support, with Corsair lending some damage dealing capabilities on the side, where Red Mage can serve as a nuker or healer in some situations they are always expected to play a support role as well, both in EXP and in end game. All of the Damage Dealing classes have fairly rigid roles in party and end game situations. Warrior and Samurai can tank in very specific situations and Dragoon can support heal, but for the most part all of these classes will be playing the roles of physical offense.

Distribution Conclusion
Demand is highest for the Tank, Nuker and Support role jobs. Tank and Support for EXP, Tank and Nuker for end game. Currently, the nuker role is taboo for party use, the current system encourages MP conservation as a whole, spent MP is wasted MP, Magic Damage is best saved for heavily armored enemies who are rarely the target of EXP groups. Magic is greatly enhanced by skillchains, which groups have little incentive for due to the fact that weaker, less resistant enemies are preferable targets.

At this point, the only nuker class; the Black Mage, sees almost no time in non Manaburn merit parties, therefore adding a second class without a system revision or addition would see little impact on the Black Mage community as a whole. If this nuker job was significantly more powerful, or significantly more effective in EXP situations there may be an outcry from the Black Mage community, but as long as it does not break Black Mage, it seems like a minimal risk. (Original post, now semi-irrelevant)

The only class belonging specifically to the healer role; the White Mage, also tends to be a taboo in parties, though less so than the Black Mage. White Mages receive spots in parties when no working group of two support jobs is available. Along the same lines of spent MP is wasted MP, White Mages do not offer abilities like refresh or convert to extend their MP pools indefinitely like a Red Mage. The addition of a new healing specific class could alienate the current White Mage community. They already have a difficult time finding merit parties, if their special position in end game was compromised there would likely be a large out cry. Without a system revision making a healing specific class more preferable than dual support jobs, an addition of a new healing specific class seems foolhardy. (Original post, now semi-irrelevant)

SE pulled a power move with the release of Dancer and it turned out quite well. Because Dancer is a TP based healer it does not push White Mage out of its end game role. In addition the ability for White Mages to now sub Scholar enhances the longevity of their MP pools allowing them to be more effective in both end game and party situations.

The only two jobs currently holding the spot of Tank and Tank only are the Ninja and the Paladin. The use of Paladin to tank in EXP parties has become somewhat taboo, especially at higher levels, because Ninja can tank without sinking as much MP. End Game Paladins become more and more undesireable tanks for non-kiting situations for the same reason as players become more and more proficient at shadow tanking difficult enemies. There is a relative consensus against the FFXI community that an additional tank needs to be added; however, without a system revision allowing for an equal opportunity for Paladins to meat tank enemies, both end game and in EXP situations more often, adding a new tank could severely step on the Paladin's toes, regardless of whether the new tank was a meat shield or an expert at mitigating damage.

There is no real demand for Damage Dealers or Hybrids. There is a constant demand amongst some of the audience for more soloing options, they tend; however, to be for existing classes, so the demand does not really exist for another soloing job class either. Though this does not mean there is not a possibility of a job in any of these categories being added.

Afterthoughts
It seems that to prevent new jobs from stepping on old jobs toes, battle system revisions need to take place in order to allow players to choose to EXP in a TP burn style or traditional style party. SE has commented that they plan to hopefully have such a system introduced in or alongside Wings of the Goddess, that would not force players to choose this new style but allow the player a choice. By doing this, adding new jobs would not have as big an impact on existing jobs.

IV. Weapon Category Distribution________________________________________________

This section is dedicated to the current distribution of weapon classes. Hopefully by looking at what weapons classes are underutilized it may give us a hint into what class of weapons some of the new jobs may make use of, which will help us narrow the possibilities of what these jobs could be. This assumes that Square-Enix does not wish to over utilize certain weapon classes, which may be false.

Overall/Solo
Archery (1)
Axe (1.5)
Club (1)
Dagger (2.33)
Great Axe (.5)
Great Katana (1)
Great Sword (.3)
Hand-to-Hand (2)
Katana (1)
Marksmanship (1.33)
Polearm (1)
Scythe (.7)
Staff (2)
Sword (3.33)
Throwing (0)

This list is an overall distribution, which shows how many jobs use this weapon as their main offensive weapon for damage dealing. Dark Knight was split, as was Corsair. The former between SCY and GSD, the later between DAG,SWD and MRK.

Merit Party Optimum/Ideal
Archery (1)
Axe (1.5)
Club (0)
Dagger (2)
Great Axe (.5)
Great Katana (1)
Great Sword (0)
Hand-to-Hand (2)
Katana (1)
Marksmanship (0)
Polearm (1)
Scythe (1)
Staff (6)
Sword (3)
Throwing (0)

This list is an overall action list for Merit party, given the player is using the optimum weapon class for their class. Ranger was distributed to Archery, although it could go either way, I chose to place them in archery, Warrior I placed in Axe, though this may change. Although Beastmaster and Puppetmaster do not often appear in merit parties, I placed them. I placed Corsair under sword because most of their offensive actions rely on a sword, if they're taking any offensive action at all, excluding quick draw. RDM,BLM,WHM,SMN,BRD are all placed under staves as their most active main weapon to take action with.

Overall Optimum/Ideal
Archery (1)
Axe (1.5)
Club (0)
Dagger (2)
Great Axe (.5)
Great Katana (1)
Great Sword (0)
Hand-to-Hand (2)
Katana (1)
Marksmanship (1)
Polearm (1)
Scythe (1)
Staff (6)
Sword (2)
Throwing (0)

The only shift here was that Corsair was moved from Sword user to Marksmanship user, as most of their end game actions will focus on their guns quick draw abilities and their focus as far as weaponskills would certainly be on marksmanship.

Weapon Category Overview
We can see that the most popular weapon categories are the Sword and Staff categories. Because of the overwhelming power of the Elemental Staves, they often present the best choice for any job not directly engaging the enemy. Swords are the main hand choice of Paladins, Blue Mages, as well as a majority of Red Mages, Bards and Corsairs at end game. (The latter 3 often make use of a dagger in the main hand if dual wielding)

Clubs and Throwing have little to no offensive representation across all classes, with very rare exceptions. Staves have very little non magical application with rare exceptions.

Polearms, Katanas and Great Katanas see only one offensive representation each. Archery very narrowly missing that group due to it's use by some Samurai.

Axes and Hand-to-Hand see only one offensive representation in non soloist classes. The axe seeing some use as a stat weapon for Rangers. Daggers are in a similar position, they see only one full time offensive representation in Thief, though they are often chosen as stat weapons for COR and RNG. (Original post, now semi-irrelevant) Daggers now see use by Dancers as well as their main weapon of choice.

Great Sword sees no offensive representation. Great Swords are only given offensive representation at this point in time by a small amount of DRK/THFs, this combo is significantly less popular that Scythes. This could change with the 2 handed patch, but it seems unlikely. Great Axes fall into the same category as Great Swords, they see little offensive representation. Axes are more popular with warriors, the 2 handed patch has a higher chance of changing this than it does with Great Sword, due to the skill caps warrior has.(Original post, now semi-irrelevant) Great Axe and Axe are now represent evenly with a split for the Warrior class, both weapons prove useful depending on subjob.

Weapon Category Conclusion
The Great Sword seems to be an ambiguous weapon choice, of all two handers excluding staves, the Great Sword is useable by the largest variety of classes. All of the classes proficient with one are more proficient with another weapon however.

The Club is the most under used main hand weapon. No offensive class is significantly proficient with the weapon. Wands are obsolete after Lv51. This has changed slightly for certain jobs where new magical clubs can be useful for White Mages.

Throwing weapons are also greatly under used, the only class capable of making proficient use of them is Ninja, and their high expense and lack of weaponskills makes them unsuitable for consistent damage.

Polearms, Great Katanas and Katanas are specialized weapons. Each one is very proficiently used by one class. In the case of Polearms and Great Katanas they can be used as novelty weapons by one other class semi-proficiently.

(Please note, the distribution of weapons and comments here are subjective, but for the most part I find what I have written to be true.)

V. Classes in Final Fantasy________________________________________________

Alchemist
Assassin
Bard*
Beastmaster*
Berserker
Black Mage*
Blue Mage*
Calculator
Canonneer
Chemist
Corsair*
Dancer*
Dark Knight*
Dragoon*
Engineer
Fencer
Gadgeteer
Gambler
Geomancer
Gladiator
Gunner
Hunter
Knight
Magic Swordsman
Mediator
Mime
Monk*
Morpher
Ninja*
Necromancer
Oracle
Painter
Paladin*
Psychier
Puppetmaster*
Ranger*
Red Mage*
Sage
Samurai*
Scholar*
Soldier
Summoner*
Sniper
Templar
Thief*
Time Mage
Viking
Warrior*
White Mage*



Has Appeared in Multiple Games
Has Appeared in a Single Game
Has Appeared In Varying Representations

* Is a Current Final Fantasy XI Job Class

Note: As you'll notice, some jobs are marked Orange, this means they appear in only one or two Final Fantasies, or are recurring but not generally a chose able class, or seem to overlap with other classes to an extreme. I have excluded some very specific jobs from this list like Heaven Knight, Illusionist etc from the Tactics series. I have chosen to keep some jobs which people tend to feel overlap, because their roles in different games can be quite different.

VI. Developer Comments________________________________________________

This section serves as a compilation of excerpts from past interviews regarding jobs both new and old. The intention of this section is to give readers more insight into SE's design tendencies and allow them to use this information to improve their ability to speculate effectively, as well as to dispel misconceptions by those who have not read the interviews and improve the overall quality of the discussion.

2006 1UP Interview on Treasures of Aht Urhgan


1UP: The Blue Mages are something that fans have wanted for a long time based on their presence in the history of Final Fantasy. The Corsairs were a bit of a surprise, but the Puppetmaster was a really big surprise since there was never a precedent for such a job in Final Fantasy lore. How did you decide to create the Puppetmaster job class?

KO: In the beginning when we were thinking of new jobs, we were first thinking of a Necromancer type of job, where the job would be able to raise the undead. However, we couldn't have undeads running around in the morning and that would weaken the class, because they'd only be able to work at night. So from there we tried to think of something where the player would be able to use a puppet type of...slave if you will, at all times of day, and that's how we got to Puppetmaster.


1UP: You guys have obviously taken into consideration all of the job classes, as evidenced by the massive list of tweaks you mentioned at the developer panel. Which of the jobs was the most necessary to balance, and which jobs needed the least balancing?

Atsushi Okada: First, the ones we didn't think we needed to change are the Red Mages, the Ninjas, the Rangers and the Dragoons, because they had major changes recently, and we want to see how those changes pan out before we make new changes. Right now we can't really put a high ranking on which is most important to change; some of the ones we're going to be doing major changes on like the White Mage and the Paladin have big changes, but we have changes for all of them. We don't want to leave one out. So within the next few months, we'll be trying to make changes to as many jobs as possible, and see which ones need more and which ones might not need as many.

1UP: It's interesting how you [speaking directly to translator, Michael Christopher Koji Fox] brought up Beastmasters, since BSTs traditionally would train mobs to a zone, which made it easier to chain mobs safely. With the new anti-MPK measures implemented in the recent patch, that became all but impossible for BSTs. Does the dev team see a way to remedy that without opening the door for new MPK situations?

Nobuaki Koumoto: The reason that that was implemented was to stop the MPKs, which were becoming a really big problem, so we have no plans of changing it back to what it was. However, the dev team does realize that a lot of Beastmasters out there don't really like the change that was made, and so they're working very carefully to try to find something that will please everybody on all sides.


1UP: When you were designing the new jobs had it ever crossed your mind to create another job that would function well as a solo class?

Michael Christopher Koji Fox: [Laughs] They just got the stop [global online marketing producer, Arata Hanyuda steps in and makes a "no comment" sign], so we can't say too much, but that was one of the things we were thinking of when designing the three new jobs.


1UP: I know you guys are trying to promote diversity when it comes to selecting subjobs to go with mains, but if you had to suggest what sort of subs would go with the three new jobs in Treasures of Aht Urhgan, what would you say goes with what? Does a Blue Mage benefit mostly from a mage subjob or a melee sub? That sort of thing.

KO: We're going to try to balance it out as much as possible, but we would really like the players to decide which is the best, rather than for us to decide.

1UP: What were your feelings in seeing the crowd's response to the Blue Mage demonstration? It's kind of exciting to know that all the crap that the monsters have done to us over the years, we can now -- in theory -- do back to them.

KO: That was great for me.

Okada: At first I didn't really think it was going to be that popular, with the players just being able to use the monsters' abilities. But when I saw the reaction I was really surprised.


1UP: Do you think that -- and I know this is kind of a loaded question -- but do you think that any of the new jobs will put any of the existing jobs out of business?

KO: We're trying to make the jobs as original as possible, so they will not have to replace the other jobs. We want to make them as different as possible from the other 15.

1UP: So do you expect to see lots of dynamic new party arrangements?

KO: That's what we're hoping.


1UP: Is this one reason why you guys didn't actually add new jobs to Chains of Promathia? I can see how it can be too much for players. You can't expect three new jobs with every expansion since there's so much balancing -- even to the original jobs -- that takes place over the course of years and patch updates.

NK: When Chains of Promathia was first released, there were still a lot of things we wanted to adjust with the original 15 jobs. So rather than add new jobs there when the other jobs weren't adjusted well enough yet, we decided to wait and spend the CoP time to adjust those jobs. Now with the new expansion pack and a lot of new game styles (Assault and Besieged) coming out, we thought it was the perfect time to add new jobs, now rather than before.


1UP: Do you think Summoners always asking for new avatars is a little -- and I guess this is really the only way to put it -- unfair, since every other job doesn't receive a new spell or ability every time they get a new summon, like Diabolos? Moreover, all of the elements have been covered -- now you're getting to the point where you have to be more creative about your avatar selection, right?

Sage Sundi: By adding something to one job, there are always going to be 14 other jobs that are going to complain that they didn't get anything. So we have to hope that after we add one thing to one job, that we can think of other things to add to the other jobs so that everybody will be just as happy. We can't keep everybody happy though


2007 1UP Interview on Wings of the Goddess


1UP: I've noticed that the new jobs don't have many job traits, at least not as many as the previous 15 jobs have. Most of the new jobs rely on the job abilities of the selected subjob to influence how they play. Do you plan to add any abilities with content updates?

AM: When designing the new jobs, we decided that we wanted to put the focus of character development on the adjustment of the special characteristics of each job rather than trying to balance the jobs by simply adding various abilities or attributes. While we are not denying the benefits of implementing new attributes/abilities, we would first like to continue expanding on features of blue magic, the corsair's roll, and puppet attachments.

1UP: One original concern with some jobs, is that they're too powerful, like BLU and COR in particular. Some Bards and Red Mages were worried that they were out of a job thanks to the various Corsair rolls, but it's become more apparent that Corsair is more effective when those jobs are actually in the same party alongside them, especially since CORs can't enfeeble. Was this part of your grand design for COR? How would you say the other jobs fit in?

AM: During development, the aspect on which the corsair planner worked hardest was how the new job would work with other jobs with similar roles (such as bards and red mages). So far we have been pleased with how things have turned out.


2007 Allakhazam Interview on Wings of the Goddess

Pikko: Corsair, Blue Mage and Puppetmaster don't really fit a tanking position. Will there be a new tanking job?

SE: Again, we can't really say too much. But we do want to say that the new jobs that will be released will be a good balance with the jobs that are here now so there won't be too much weight on one certain type of playing style.
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Pikko: Will the new jobs that are coming in Wings of the Goddess play an important role in accessing the new areas?

SE: Acquiring the new jobs will be directly connected to the new areas. Other than that there is not much we can say right now.


Please note, more interview information will be added, I was unable to find a lot of older interviews and Q&A sessions in my brief searching tonight. If you'd like to share any that you find pertinent, please feel free to PM me or post it. I'll be sure to add it if you provide an original link.



VII. Conclusion________________________________________________

This post is intended to provide a friendly atmosphere where intelligent job discussion and suggestions and speculation can be tossed around, people can shoot ideas off of each other and speculate. Most of the Allahkazam community tends to frown upon speculation; however, if it is contained to a small area, I see no reason to be upset over it. If this is not your cup of tea please do not continue to read below, you will most likely only annoy yourself. This post is not intended to represent my opinions on possible new jobs, if I feel the need to share or discuss I will post below. I hope you have found this compilation of resources useful. Enjoy the discussion, whether or not you choose to participate in it!

Thank you for reading.

Edit(8/20/07 12:47 A.M.) Added some interviews, planning to add more when i return from my trip tomorrow or Tuesday.

(Edited, Sep 8th 2007 7:40am by RamseySylph)Switched Puppetmaster to Hybrid category.

(Edited, Sep 22nd 2007 9:41am by RamseySylph) Added Dancer and the Confirmed Jobs Section

(Edited, Occt 22nd 2007 9:58am by RamseySylph) Added Dancer flavor text and fixed a few typos.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2007 7:02am by RamseySylph

Edited, Oct 22nd 2007 3:43pm by RamseySylph

Edited, May 7th 2008 8:16pm by RamseySylph

Edited, Jan 7th 2009 2:15pm by RamseySylph
#2 Aug 18 2007 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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This repost at the request of Pikko, Please respond in the original post in the General Discussion board at:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=11872414551696737;num=107;page=1

Edited, Aug 18th 2007 12:41:22pm by RamseySylph
#3 Aug 18 2007 at 1:17 PM Rating: Default
Your classifications of each job are arbitrary at best.

Square-Enix reps are probably asking: "What is a nuker and how does it differ from other damage dealers?"

Tank is a job that hold hate from weaker jobs, SE designed Warrior to fit that role, therefore SE views WAR as a potential tank for low-mid levels.

Beastmaster isn't a soloist, that's just how people play them.


All of your classifications are completely arbitrary and have no real definition. They designed most of those jobs to be flexible in their function it's just that people are too narrowminded and think everything is set in concrete.

A RDM/WHM may function as a very good healer.
A BST/NIN or BST/WAR can be a damage dealer, not as good as a MNK or WAR but they still deal a decent amount of damage, which is the definition of a DD.

You listed SMN as a hybrid but it's as much fo a hybrid as RDM is. A SMN can be support or a healer or a damage dealer, same as a RDM, so why split it? BLU too can also be support, healer, damage dealer.
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TheHolyDragoonSeraphus wrote:
Your classifications of each job are arbitrary at best.

Square-Enix reps are probably asking: "What is a nuker and how does it differ from other damage dealers?"

Tank is a job that hold hate from weaker jobs, SE designed Warrior to fit that role, therefore SE views WAR as a potential tank for low-mid levels.

Beastmaster isn't a soloist, that's just how people play them.


All of your classifications are completely arbitrary and have no real definition. They designed most of those jobs to be flexible in their function it's just that people are too narrowminded and think everything is set in concrete.

A RDM/WHM may function as a very good healer.
A BST/NIN or BST/WAR can be a damage dealer, not as good as a MNK or WAR but they still deal a decent amount of damage, which is the definition of a DD.

You listed SMN as a hybrid but it's as much fo a hybrid as RDM is. A SMN can be support or a healer or a damage dealer, same as a RDM, so why split it? BLU too can also be support, healer, damage dealer.
You must have missed this post (AKA the post above yours), oh observant one.
#5 Aug 18 2007 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
I said in the OP once, and I'll say it here again : Very good list, but please SE, use your imagination to create our next jobs.
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#6 Aug 20 2007 at 11:52 PM Rating: Default
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>.< Oh, that's where I go to post, lmao.

Edited, Aug 21st 2007 3:53:22am by Gramercyparc
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#7RoboNoureddin, Posted: Sep 30 2007 at 9:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 2 words..
#8Nuhnisgodly, Posted: Oct 02 2007 at 3:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, I grouped these to save my sanity from how long your post is....
#9 Oct 05 2007 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, Nuhn, that was the most worthless post ever. Did you even bother to read what Ramsey wrote before you went off spouting whatever crap came to mind?

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But my only beef with you is that your Current job list is not well thought out, period. Take it from someone who has soloed ALOT!!!, and pt'd enough to know each jobs best roles in each variety of pt, your list is incomplete at the best. And needs to have most jobs defined under multiple definitions of what it is capable of. Each jobs definition is not as Black and White as you'd have any believe from your post.......


Ramsey already fully explained that. Maybe if you had actually read, you'd have realized that. Since you seem to have missed it, let me quote it here for you:

RamseySylph wrote:
I have chosen to distribute the classes above in this manner because I feel that these are the overall roles of the jobs. In a majority (>=50%) of situations they are involved in both EXP and end game, these are the roles they are likely to play. Situational use was left out, I am well aware not all jobs have roles set in stone.



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Ok, I grouped these to save my sanity from how long your post is....

Berserker......would you like them to discontinue Warrior???
Calculator....are we going to have the option to be a Gaint Calculator, and add/subtract/divide/multiply numbers to drive a mob to insanity??? 1+1 over and over, would be a surefire way to drive one to the madhouse with a quickness. Maybe if you can't add like 1+1=3, you get a bust effect, could you imagine how many ppl that play this game that'd hate this job because they aren't smart enough to figure out simple math?, and have a constant "Bust" effect on them.
Gadgeteer.....I personally would like to see Inspector Gadget added to this game...... >.>
Mediator......a job class that negotiates with the mob, sweet. I'd like to sit down with a mob and find out why it feels the need to attack me while I'm resting >.>
Mime.....I'd shoot myself if SE came out with a job class named Mime for FFXI....this is so far beyond idiotic I can't describe my feelings on it...
Painter....It'd take too long to paint a mob to death, could you imagine how many gallons of paint it'd take?.....
Oh and....Hunter, what the **** do you think Ranger is??


Ok, genius, do you realize Ramsey was only listing jobs previously in Final Fantasy games? It's not supposed to be "original". Did you really miss that too? Nowhere is it said that all those jobs NEED to be included.

Seriously, take all your sarcastic, dumb-*** comments and go away. This was to facilitate discussion and prediction. There's no reason to barge in and be rude.
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#11 Oct 29 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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{Reposted from main forums discussion since this looks like a good place to put it as well.}


My Roommate and I were discussing possibilities of new jobs and tanks a few nights ago and we started tossing ideas back and forth. What we ended up with after a couple hours follows. I figured it was kind of interesting and this thread looked like the best place to put it, so here it is.

The idea behind it being a blood tank that held hate with job abilities that had no magic. The whole thing with no magic was because we wanted it to be dependent on a healer as well as being fairly indifferent about being silenced.

We also tried to think of what would be something that worked well with the idea of the Crystal War and that fact of massive beastman armies.


Soldier

HP Equivalent: PLD
MP: 0
Great Sword: A-
Great Axe: B-
Pole arm: B-
Evasion: C
Parrying: A-
Weapon Skill Restrictions: Cannot use Raging Rush, Full Break, Skewer, or Wheeling Thrust
Armor Selections: Medium & Heavy


Job Abilities:

Level 01: [JA]Subdue [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast: 2 Hours]
(All enemies attacking you are intimidated on every combat action)
Level 10: [JA]Challenge [Duration: Instant, Recast 30 Seconds]
(Goads and enemy into attacking you)
Level 25: [JA]Confront [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast 1 Minute]
(Gain Enmity and Enhances Killer effects, effect wears off gradually)
Level 40: [JA]Defiance [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast: 2 Minutes]
(Grants Decoy status){Battle Targets attack only you, regardless of enmity}
Level 55: [JA]Rally [Duration: 2 Minutes, Recast: 10 Minutes]
(Grants Beastman Killer to party members within range. Additionally, all party members can intimidate Beastmen regardless if they are being attacked)


Job Traits:

Level 05: [JT]Beastman Killer I (Intimidates Orcs, Quadav, & Yagudo)
Level 10: [JT]Resist Damage I (-10% Damage Taken)
Level 20: [JT]Beastman Killer II (Initimidates Goblins & Gigas)
Level 30: [JT]Resist Damage II (-15% Damage Taken)
Level 35: [JT]Beastman Killer III (Intimidates Antica, Sahagin, & Tonberries)
Level 50: [JT]Beastman Killer IV (Intimidates Qiqirn & Poroggos)
Level 50: [JT]Resist Damage III (-20% Damage Taken)
Level 65: [JT]Beastman Killer V (Intimidates Lamiae, Mamool Ja, & Trolls)
Level 70: [JT]Resist Damage IV (-25% Damage Taken)

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#12 Nov 06 2007 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I first started to write down some things that could be properties of the Scholar job but then I read the following line and had to change my thinking a bit.

Developer's wrote:
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He professed unfamiliarity with magic, but after researching its strengths and weaknesses, he put forth a series of unconventional strategies that combined frontal magical assaults by heavy Caster Companies with flanking attacks by highly mobile beast units.


This seems to combine different types of magic which I really haven't though alot about.

My proposal:
Green Mage

Other support jobs (cor and brd) have raise certain stats of party members. I propose that Green Mage will be an efficiency expert support. With maybe an A+ enhancing magic skill.

Other types of support have come in the forms of regen, refresh, stat boost, haste. But there are a few areas left out or not fully embraced that would be great for supporting the party. There are even factors that have some effect on party that GRN could have direct control over, such as moon phase, daytime and nighttime.

weather change spell
moon phase spell
sunrise spell
sunset spell
fast cast spell (maybe wouldn't want to step on rdm toes here)
mp conserve spell (same for blm)
recast lowering spell for all recast timers on party member
recast timer reset spell ( excluding 2 hour)
boost (insert stat here) spell that has a stat mod that feeds off of what ever your highest stat happens to be.
skill boost spells


But the most important thing that would tie in this job would have to be scan that works on party members.

Scan puts out a list of all the recast timers of the person for which it was cast on.


note: Sorry if I kind of pirated a few ideas from others. If I can find some of the pieces were I got bits from apparently I can edit the post or just add later.

This idea isn't fully worked out but the OP made me feel confortable enough to post it here.
#13 Nov 11 2007 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
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waw the person two comments above me thort of this

Soldier

HP Equivalent: PLD
MP: 0
Great Sword: A-
Great Axe: B-
Pole arm: B-
Evasion: C
Parrying: A-
Weapon Skill Restrictions: Cannot use Raging Rush, Full Break, Skewer, or Wheeling Thrust
Armor Selections: Medium & Heavy


Job Abilities:

Level 01: [JA]Subdue [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast: 2 Hours]
(All enemies attacking you are intimidated on every combat action)
Level 10: [JA]Challenge [Duration: Instant, Recast 30 Seconds]
(Goads and enemy into attacking you)
Level 25: [JA]Confront [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast 1 Minute]
(Gain Enmity and Enhances Killer effects, effect wears off gradually)
Level 40: [JA]Defiance [Duration: 30 Seconds, Recast: 2 Minutes]
(Grants Decoy status){Battle Targets attack only you, regardless of enmity}
Level 55: [JA]Rally [Duration: 2 Minutes, Recast: 10 Minutes]
(Grants Beastman Killer to party members within range. Additionally, all party members can intimidate Beastmen regardless if they are being attacked)


Job Traits:

Level 05: [JT]Beastman Killer I (Intimidates Orcs, Quadav, & Yagudo)
Level 10: [JT]Resist Damage I (-10% Damage Taken)
Level 20: [JT]Beastman Killer II (Initimidates Goblins & Gigas)
Level 30: [JT]Resist Damage II (-15% Damage Taken)
Level 35: [JT]Beastman Killer III (Intimidates Antica, Sahagin, & Tonberries)
Level 50: [JT]Beastman Killer IV (Intimidates Qiqirn & Poroggos)
Level 50: [JT]Resist Damage III (-20% Damage Taken)
Level 65: [JT]Beastman Killer V (Intimidates Lamiae, Mamool Ja, & Trolls)
Level 70: [JT]Resist Damage IV (-25% Damage Taken)


when i sore this the first thing that came to my head was a cloud,auron and leon they were all like warriors they delt the damage to most monsters and the way the guy set the job up is incredible fantastic idea must totally wicked idea.

i was thinking of a job as well but its was a bit farfetched it involves all the jobs lvls u obtain. turns into a small portion of this job im thing of so basically its like what i was going to call they alchemarian basically every other job u lvl adds to its power. so when u start off in the game its total power would ammount to 6 which would be nearly nothing and besides u would need to obtain it through advance job terms anyways so this wouldnt be possibly but it helps explain what i mean.
anyways the whole point of the job isnt to fight its to help crafters mainly every lvl helps unlock different things which u would normally need to buy or craft ur self. say u have total of 50lvls that means u can make outta thin air that perticaler item e.g. grass cloth,grass thread and so on. and they act like spells so they have massive delay times to stop unfair play. well i wouldnt mind finding out what u guys thort
#14 Feb 29 2008 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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I thought I'd have a go at lookign at some abilities a Psychier class job might have:

Psychier:
MP: Blm equivalent
HP: Blm equivalent
Dgr: C-
Sword: C-
Club: D
Staff: E
Throwing: E
Parrying: C
Evasion: C

Abilities:
Flawless logic (2:00:00) - lvl 1 - All spells gain AoE, increased Acc and increased potency.

Concentrate(5:00) - lvl 10 - Next spell has increased Acc

Telekenesis(2:00) - lvl 25 - Minor magical non-element Dmg. Can be used to open doors, chests which dont require keys, and ???'s that dont require pop items.

Mind Blast(5:00) - lvl 40 - Damage based on players Int Vs targets Mnd. Lowers targets magic defence.

Logic(10:00) - lvl 55 - Next Spell is AoE

Traits:
Clear Mind I - lvl 10
Resist Amnesia I - lvl 15
Clear Mind II - lvl 25
Resist Sleep I - lvl 30
Fast Cast I - lvl 40
Resist Amnesia II - 45
Clear Mind III - lvl 50
Resist Sleep II - lvl 60
Clear Mind IV - lvl 70
Fast Cast II - lvl 75

Spells:
Telepathy Spells
Analyze I - Show targets Element & Element weakness
Analyze II - Show targets HP, MP & TP
Analyze III - Show targets Acc, Att, Def & Eva
Repress - Target att down
Pacify - Chance to remove hate from target monster
Dominate - Chance to charm target monster
Forget - Resets all emnity on target monster

Delusion Spells
Delude - Inflicts Slow
Distort - Inflicts Acc down
Confuse - Inflicts Evasion down
Dream - Inflicts sleep. Target gains HP but looses MP
Nightmare - Inflicts sleep. Target gains MP but looses HP
Trance - Inflicts sleep. Target gains TP but looses HP & MP

Mind Control Spells
Fear - Inflicts Paralysis
Terror - Inflicts Petrification
Amnesia - Inflicts Amnesia
Rage - Inflicts +Att but -Def (berserk)
Frenzy - Inflicts +Haste but -Acc
Psychosis - Inflicts increasing amounts of DoT, but increases targets att speed, att, acc and evasion
Intimidate - Target will be intimidated by player controled characters


No levels or mp costs on theses yet, so some may need balancing for later game / higher cost. Some are also similar to current abilities (buts of monk, warrior, Bst and others in there) but they all tie in well to the character theme, so they are listed for now ^^


#15 Mar 21 2008 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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elenie wrote:
I thought I'd have a go at lookign at some abilities a Psychier class job might have:

Psychier:
MP: Blm equivalent
HP: Blm equivalent
Dgr: C-
Sword: C-
Club: D
Staff: E
Throwing: E
Parrying: C
Evasion: C

Abilities:
Flawless logic (2:00:00) - lvl 1 - All spells gain AoE, increased Acc and increased potency.

Concentrate(5:00) - lvl 10 - Next spell has increased Acc

Telekenesis(2:00) - lvl 25 - Minor magical non-element Dmg. Can be used to open doors, chests which dont require keys, and ???'s that dont require pop items.

Mind Blast(5:00) - lvl 40 - Damage based on players Int Vs targets Mnd. Lowers targets magic defence.

Logic(10:00) - lvl 55 - Next Spell is AoE

Traits:
Clear Mind I - lvl 10
Resist Amnesia I - lvl 15
Clear Mind II - lvl 25
Resist Sleep I - lvl 30
Fast Cast I - lvl 40
Resist Amnesia II - 45
Clear Mind III - lvl 50
Resist Sleep II - lvl 60
Clear Mind IV - lvl 70
Fast Cast II - lvl 75

Spells:
Telepathy Spells
Analyze I - Show targets Element & Element weakness
Analyze II - Show targets HP, MP & TP
Analyze III - Show targets Acc, Att, Def & Eva
Repress - Target att down
Pacify - Chance to remove hate from target monster
Dominate - Chance to charm target monster
Forget - Resets all emnity on target monster

Delusion Spells
Delude - Inflicts Slow
Distort - Inflicts Acc down
Confuse - Inflicts Evasion down
Dream - Inflicts sleep. Target gains HP but looses MP
Nightmare - Inflicts sleep. Target gains MP but looses HP
Trance - Inflicts sleep. Target gains TP but looses HP & MP

Mind Control Spells
Fear - Inflicts Paralysis
Terror - Inflicts Petrification
Amnesia - Inflicts Amnesia
Rage - Inflicts +Att but -Def (berserk)
Frenzy - Inflicts +Haste but -Acc
Psychosis - Inflicts increasing amounts of DoT, but increases targets att speed, att, acc and evasion
Intimidate - Target will be intimidated by player controled characters


No levels or mp costs on theses yet, so some may need balancing for later game / higher cost. Some are also similar to current abilities (buts of monk, warrior, Bst and others in there) but they all tie in well to the character theme, so they are listed for now ^^

I'm not sure I'd want my spells to gain AoE. I mean, honestly, how often does anyone use AoE spells? I can almost understand maybe wanting a Cure III spell to turn into a Cure III-AoE, but that just sounds like a hate fest for the poor PSY. And if you needed to sleep the trail of aggro gobs, you might as well just use Sleepga.

Although this does bring a new idea to mind-- maybe PSY could use Flawless Logic to have a choice between casting AoE spells and Single spells?



Or maybe this job could have a Job Ability to where you could attack with your weapon from the distance that of a mage as if the PSY is channeling the damage from his mind as he swings his Dagger or Sword? But would the damage be based on INT or STR? lol.
#16 Mar 21 2008 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Ramsey, if you're still following your own subject, you need to categorize Scholar (Hybrid) and Dancer (either Hybrid or Support, your choice) now. Smiley: laugh
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Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Hey Ramsey, if you're still following your own subject, you need to categorize Scholar (Hybrid) and Dancer (either Hybrid or Support, your choice) now. Smiley: laugh


Done and done, also updated weapon lists and anything else necessary.

Though I agree with your placement of Scholar (Actually updated the sticky before I read your post XD) I placed Dancer's main role under Healing. It's controversial, but what else on that list isn't. My two cents on it though. Updating the original post as well, though I think at this point, until the next expansion is on the horizon, it would be best for people to respond here, as opposed to necro-bumping my original post. Though I may necro bump it with the next expansion.
#18 Jun 06 2008 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought of some mechanics for an Alchemist like job or (insert alt name here - because of guild name taken)

For now i'm going to call it alchemist because i'm mostly referring to ffx-2 traits.

A while back i read a post (i don't know where it is) that worked out some mechanics for an Alchemist like job.
In summary they would be able to stack potions and also generate them freely, I don't remember all the mechanics but it seemed well thought out.

Anyway I thought it would be interesting instead of just being able to stack meds differently than other jobs that the alchemist would generate special potions/meds that would show up in a temp-item-like inventory. These would be able to stack and would save the problem of when changing your job, all of your items become unstacked and you all of a sudden have too many items in your inv. as well as save the changing of item behavior mechanics.

These temp items would also be able to be used on a target

Generating meds would be done by either a job ability or an MP-free spell similar to songs, i leave it up to you.
As for USING these meds, I am thinking they would be used via ability, because opening /inv every time sounds annoying to me (of coarse there is always macros)

some abilities/traits (just a few thoughts)
lvl 1. - Trait - Alchemy Bag - Provides a bag for an alchemist to store 5 generated medications.

lvl 1. - Ability - Quick Mixer - recast 2 hours - Generation recasts reduced to 0

lvl 1. - ability/spell - Generate A-potion - Recast 15 seconds - Generates an Alchemist's potion and places it in your Alchmy Bag.

lvl 1. - ability - Use A-potion - Recast 7 seconds - Uses A-potion on target

lvl 5. - A-Poison Potion - Generation/Use

lvl 10. - trait - Alchemy bag increase - Alchemy bag grows to store 10 generated medications. (maybe quest?)

lvl 10. - etc. etc. the rest is for SE or you to figure out lol

some interesting stuff that might be cool would be a Hermes Quencher ability and Dedules Wing ability. Some interesting things to think about.

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#19 Jun 08 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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this one made me think of a funny job...

Economist:

HP: (same as BLU)
MP: (same as DRK)

Guns: +B
Daggers: C
Swords: E
Clubs: E
Staffs: E
Axe: C
Throwing: +A
Parrying: E
Evasion: +A

ABILITIES:
(2:00:00) Job Finder - Lvl 1 - (allows the selected player to change their job)
(5:00) Promotion - Lvl 10 - (Selected player's stats are raised as if they gained a Level)
(2:00) Corporate Thugs! - lvl 25 - (Summons an angry moogle with random stats for 1 minute)
(5:00) Motivation - lvl 40 - (Boosts the top 3 highest stats of all party members for 3 minutes / when effect timer runs out the party will have the Slow effect for the remainder 2 minutes)
(10:00) Corporate Benefits - lvl 55 - (summons a Moogle WHM to assist the party with healing)

Traits:
MP boost I - lvl 10
Clear Mind I - lvl 15
Fast Cast I - lvl 25
MP boost II - lvl 30
Fast Cast II - lvl 40
Clear Mind II - 45
MP regen I - lvl 50
Spells Potency Inc. I - lvl 60
Stats Boost I - lvl 70
MP regen - lvl 75

Spells:
Still in the air on these but im sure if i really wanted to try i could come up with some funny ones. well thats just a comical idea for a new job.
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For awhile now, people have been asking for a 'Mime' job. In the world of FFXI, this seems like it would be difficult to do. However, I have thought of a potential method for this job.

Mime

How to unlock: Every one of the 20 jobs will have a level 3 merit called Mime Trait that requires 10 merit points to activate. you must activate this on 7 different jobs. After that, talk to Maat. Maat will talk about how he is able to challenge every player on their level through the art of mimicry. He will give you temporary access to the Mime job, where you will be able to select your configuration (see below). If you beat him, you will gain permanent access to the job. If you lose, then you will have to try again after the next conquest.


To start your Mime, you will be required to select a job to Mimic. This job will be the base for your skills, stats (including HP/MP), and equipment choices.


Abilities/Traits: The Mime job will be a blank shell of abilities and traits. You must select the abilities and traits that you want from each job. These abilities/traits will be grouped into categories based on level.

2 Hour: You can select a 2 hour from the list of your available Jobs.

Category 1: Level 1-10: Select 1 Job Trait and 1 Job Ability from this list, which is composed of the JAs and JTs f this level range from the jobs that you have merited. For example, Steal(thf) or Provoke(war) for JAs; and Evasion Bonus(thf) or Accuracy Bonus(rng) for JTs (depending on the 7 jobs, the list may be larger or smaller).

Category 2: Level 11-20: Select 1 JA and 1 JT from the list (like before). This time, in addition to the abilities/traits from Category 1, you have the abilities/traits from level 11-20 of the jobs you have chosen.

Category 3: Level 21-30: 1 JA and 1 JT from the list, which contains all unselected abilities from level 1-30. By this time, some jobs are on Level 2 traits (Evasion Bonus II, Accuracy bonus II, etc). If you did not select the level 1 trait, then this becomes the Level 1 trait. (If you select Accuracy Bonus at level 10, and Evasion Bonus at level 30, then they will both act as a Level 1 trait, even though a Thf may receive Evasion Bonus II at 30. However, if you select Accuracy Bonus at 10, and Accuracy Bonus again at 30, then you will gain the Accuracy bonus II).

Category 4: Level 31-40: Same as before with the new abilities/traits. Same rules apply.

Category 5: 41-50: Same as before

Category 6: 51-75: Because of the power of the abilities and traits within this group, you will be allowed to select 2 natural abilities and traits (excludes any that are obtained with merits).



You will be able to change what job you are mimicing while in your mog house. You will also be able to change what abilities you are accessing while in your mog house.

This will allow those people who have taken the time to level to 75 on multiple jobs the ability to start crossing things. In a real situation, if you were to switch between multiple things like this, you may start remembering some abilities from previous experiences. This would give you a character that could mimic one of your other jobs with flawless precission (if you made your Mime based on nin, and gave it every nin ability), or it could be a jack of all trades kind of job. I think that this would cause people to level additional low level jobs to meet these requirements (if they havent already). Also, they could mold their Mime into the exact playstyle that they enjoyed. Because of the nature of the job, I do not think that a Sub Job would be allowed.


To me, this could become extremely Broken (imagine basing it on BLM, adding Auto Refresh, Chainspell, and Convert), so some additional rules may need to be applied.

I dont know. I am just toying around with this. I think it would be cool to see, even if it was released 1 year before SE knew that they were turning the servers off, just to give the remaining players the fun of a true jack-of-all trades job.
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Geomancer + Time Mage I think are going to be the next two, given the atmosphere and direction of the game.

Personally I'd like a set of "advanced jobs", jobs with a pre-requisite of having 4 of the 20 current jobs 75 in order to unlock.
(i.e. Pld, Drk, War, Sam for an A+ Great Sword job with a unique set of weapon skills, abilities, etc) (or Smn, Drg, Bst, Pup for an advanced "pet" job).

Would pay off to level jobs by "Sets" then.

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#22 Jul 31 2008 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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We need another tank job.

Fortunately we have a few that are close to being a tank but they fall short.
New JSE gear could fix these problems, or minor tweaking to abilities could solve this for one of the jobs and get us another tank.

War - Eva too low to tank.
Mnk - Counter with Counterstance does not proc often enough.
Sam - A parry tank? Has damage mitigation problems (like the rest).
Bst - Snarl is great, but reward is too slow.
Dnc - Animated Flourish not strong / reliable enough. (maybe better sub if they fix that..)

We have seen all these jobs tank before but they are not quite good enough.. come on SE.. for the love of god fix just one.



Edited, Jul 31st 2008 11:01am by Jadier
#23 Sep 13 2008 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I think they could add many of the old FF jobs into FFXI and make them viable.

I mean, they did it with dancer! They did it with scholar!

So what if one class seems too much like warrior or beastmaster, they can tweak them to be a bit different like scholar is from the other mage jobs.

Reading that jobs list makes me want to go play FF tactics again.
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#24 Sep 26 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd love to see a Viking/Berserker job. I was really saddened to hear that SE had planed to add Viking in WotG but pulled it out. As people have said Viking and Berserker are a bit similar, with them both have Nordic origins, and Viking predates Berserker, so it was probably part of it's evolution. After looking at what they've done with SAM and SCH I think VIK/BER could be similar. One that increases combat skills while gaining other drawbacks. Taking hits to MND, INT, CHR and even max HP. Gaining DEF, haste and emnity or even weapon skills to rank A similar to SCH. There's various possibilities, but it could work as another tank or DD.
#25 Dec 15 2008 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow haha, It's good to know the contents of this post are still controversial I guess, I think this is the only sticky I've seen RD'd this long after its inception, I'll be sure to update this to reflect the current game over the coming break for all the sticklers.
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More Geomancer ideas. A whole new job I created too.

First off, the Geomancer.

Geomancer Basics:
Uses TP to cast powerful elemental magic. Very potent in producing high damage over time. Uses Clubs and main weapon of choice is a mace, much like the one Naja has. This job is to rival the Black Mage, without the use of MP. All geomancy "spells" are ability based and have a shared timer. They are split up into 3 categories: Combustions, Tremmors, and Waves. Combustions focus on damage now type abilities, nukes as we know them. Tremmors are heavy DoT abilities that drain your TP as you keep them active. Waves, fall into the enfeebling group. Uses TP to enhance your melee attacks with an enfeeble. All abilites have Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Ice, Thunder properties.

Party Role: Nuker/Enfeebler
Endgame Role: Nuker
Armor Class: Medium

Combat Traits:
Club-A+
Staff-B
Dagger-C-
Sword-C-
Throwing-A
Evasion-C
Parry-B+

Job Abilities:

Level 1: Nature's Wrath(Instant, Two-Hour recast)- Geomancer abilities are double potent.

Level 1/30/50/70 Combustions I(20TP)/II(30TP)/III(40TP)/IV(50TP)-(Intant, 30 second recast)-Deals elemental damage. Elemental weakness of target greatly effects damage. (20% Damage boost)

Level 25/50/75 Tremmors I(3TP/tick)/II(5TP/tick)/III(7TP/tick)-(Instant, 1 minute recast, last untill TP runs dry or you manualy remove it)-Deals heavy damage over time. Elemental weakness of target greatly effects damage. (30% Damage boost)

Level 35 Waves (35TP)(Instant, 1 minute recast timer, 1 minute durration)-Grants additional effects to melee attacks.

Level 45 Nature's Burden- Drains HP to store TP(Think of sublimation)

Job Trait:
Level 10: Accuracy Bonus
Level 30: Attack Bonus
Level 50: Auto-Regain (1 TP/tick)
Level 60: Accuracy Bonus II
Level 75: Auto-Regain II (2TP/tick- Does not stack with Auto-Regain I)

This idea I made up because of the dancer. I thought of a dancer, but reversed. Dealing damage with abilites rather then enhancing and curing. A good balance is required, in order to implement without wiping out the BLM. I chose a heavy TP cost for tremmors, due to their high damage nature. A messy job, but I think you have the basic idea of what I imagine a GEO to be.

Second, the Shadow Mage.

Shadow Mage Basics:
The Shadow Mage calls for a dark doppleganger to protect their allies in battle. Through powerful shadow magic, the shadow mage can issues dark pacts to enhance and change the nature of their shadow. The Shadow Mage is a pet tank job purely. By using abilites and sacrificing a small amount of HP, the shadow mage can cure and enhance thier shadow. The shadow itself is a copy of the ***/race of the caster, just in fomor form and with heavy armor.

Combat Skiils:
Staff: B
Club: B-
Evasion: D
Parry: E

Magic Skills:
Shadow Magic-A+

Party Role: Main Tank
Endgame Role: Main Tank/Side Tank
*Side Note*A Galka Shadow Mage at 75 would have the same HP as a Tarutaru MNK

Abilites:
Level 1 Dark Infusion (Instant, Two hour recast, 1 minute durration): Shadow is fully cured and uneffected by magic attacks.

Level 1: Shadow Pact (Instant, 5 Minute Recast): Calls forth a doppleganger to protect allies. Requires a "Shadow Doll".

Level 5: Shadow Torment (Instant, 30 second recast): Instantly increases enmity for your shadow. (1% HP taken)

Level 35: Shadow Shield (Instant, 5 minute recast, 1 minute durration): Damage done to shadow is split between shadow and shadow mage.

Level 50: Shadow Shell (Instant, 5 minute recast, 1 minute durration): Magic Damage done to shadow is split between shadow and shadow mage. No effect on enfeebles.

Traits:
Level 10/50/75: Max HP Boost I/II/III
Level 15/35/70: Dark Aura I(10%)/II(20%)/III(35%)-Grants Damage reduction to shadow.
Level 20/40/60: Resist Paralyze
Level 30: Auto-Regen

Spells:
Includes spells that cures, enhances(Such as Stoneskin, Phalanx, Protect/Shell, ect), and creates "Auras" where effects of spells transfer to the shadow. All spells cost HP to cast.

I thought of this idea based on the puppetmaster. Drawing inspiration from the Valoredge, I created this job based around a pet tank. This tank job is extremely complex due to the fact that "healing" spells cost HP, rather then MP. This creates a situation where the healer has to constantly cure the mage, and having the mage itself, stand far back in order to reserve itself from AoE.
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