Repairing a Lu ShangFollow

Is there something particularly wrong with the way it is now, or is this just a laziness thing?

I've snapped my rod twice on 2 consecutive ryugus, I only just had it repaired. It's not soo much lazyness, just fustraition when it does break, i have to wait for boat to get to destination if i'm not on whm, no point pointing out the rest of the journey you know it all too well.

I don't see what harm lowering this recipe would do, I'm sure they've done it before as well on other stuff.

The market as i said on repair is dead since they introduced more ancient lumbers

Which is.. annoying and unneeded. I'm sure as hell not going to delevel my bonecraft so that I can repair my lu shangs, and I'm not going to buy another account to level ww up on; having to go to rabao to fix my rod each and every time it breaks is flat out stupid.

You have 2 things here...

Cooking + Fishing go hand in hand quite naturally, yet if you are aiming to go level up fishing, Fishing + Woodworking are the way to go because of the lu shang. I can understand a high level craft to repair the lu shang.... but is beyond the reach of 60 really required?



Why should one have to take WW beyond 60 in order to be able to have a good shot at going for ebisu without having to stop every 2 secs? It don't make sense.

How would it sound to you, in order to get your crafting apron and certain GP items, you had to take a second skill to 70, to be able to get the points, then delevel that craft.

Not like they havn't dropped a skill level before, I was told that Tav Tacos used to be 97 or so to craft.

I don't see why this isn't the issue here, infact there is more of a reason to do this for the repair of the rod than on tacos.


Rods are harder to break now than previous, so break to skill just isn't as feasible.

Ancient lumber supply has been increased, knocking out any market there might have been for doing these on the spot.


I can understand subcrafts to 60, no issues there at all, this is a fishing rod, aimed at fishermen not woodworkers, who might have another craft 60+ aside from WW. Woodworking in my opinion is a subcraft for fishing, so why is this sub way in excess of 60?

I don't why you're so against this Fynlar, how does it stand to hurt you and destroy the mechanics of the game?

We're talking about repairing the rod, not who should be able to use the rods, if you want to discuss that, make a thread on the board about it, I can promise you'll be sub-default very quickly.

I don't see any reason why it should be changed. If you want this to be changed solely on the basis that it would be convenient, tell me why they shouldn't reduce every synth that's over 70 back down to a level where every person with 60 skill could do them. That would certainly be convenient.

As far as I'm concerned, getting the woodworking skill somehow (whether it's on your own character, on another account, or via someone else's help) is just part of the Ebisu quest. I leveled mine from scratch to get it done, and I have since made use of that skill to help others get their Ebisu rods. I don't exactly feel any sympathy for others that aren't willing to either level their skill or enlist the help of a friend/alt that has. Again, to me, this is just part of the quest.

A lot of purported changes around here wouldn't be game breaking. That doesn't mean they are necessarily good ideas.

I've always disliked the high skill cap for fixing lu shang's rod because it forces people to choose between crafting and fishing. If you want to be a fisherman who can fix your rod, you cannot master your craft of choice (unless your craft of choice happens to be woodworking). And if you do want to master a specific craft that isn't woodworking, you cannot fix your lu shang's rod. I love how they kept crafting and fishing levels separate, allowing people who enjoy both to take them to high levels. The only limitation placed on craft/fisherman is this synth. I think 60 cap would have been more reasonable, because it's the highest level of woodworking you can achieve without it interfering with other crafts you may have or been wanting to level.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2010 8:06am by Susanoh

i knew that id get a broken lu shang eventually. So I leveled my woodworking alongside my fishing skill so that I was always prepared to be able to fix my items out in the field.

Preparation is the key.

Saying you want the craft level lowered so that you can have a different craft at 100 isn't Sqaure Enix's fault. Its your fault for not planning your crafts and instead just diving in.

While Im not for this change. I am not against it. I just don't see how your post is a valid argument other than the fact that you messed up and now you want a quick fix. lol

OK, granted, I forgot about that one.

Lu is still basically the same thing though and a dude with a ? mark on his name can equip one. (Not that he'd be able to do much with it, but that's not due to a lack of skill)



This would be way more helpful and practical than that PoS imagery belt, that's for sure.

BLM does not need mp restore items.

War does not need ex %5 att food.

They can do their jobs without those items. Those items would make them more efficient. So it would be like fishermen using a ra/ex ring to make fighting a fish easier.

To use your argument, would be more like... Forcing a blm to level woodworking to make elemental staves if they were ra/ex. Those are items a blm does in fact Need.

SE isn't going to change something like this out of convenience. (Elemental beads should be goldsmithing 60 then, so woodworkers can craft their own beads.)

That said, you can always just ask a woodworker to fix it for you. I doubt they even ask for gil if you ask nicely. I've repaired my fair share of rods over time this way. Not unlikely that one of the other fishermen near you is a woodworker too.

Not the same thing and you know it.

One is an ingredient, the other is a tool. A more apt example would be if the aprons could break and you had to find a level 70+ Clothcrafter before you could use it again.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you don't understand the difference.

I was trying to be polite, but I guess I'll have to come right out and say it. Fyn, you're an idiot. Rods are not consumables, Elemental Beads are. That's the difference.

Edited, Jan 4th 2010 10:54pm by Turin

To be fair, the level cap on a lu shangs should be no higher than 11. Because you can get your own lu shangs, fair and square, without going above 11. It's okay though, because lu shangs isn't needed until 50+ anyway which is like a soft cap in it's own.

There is most definitely a difference between elemental beads and fishing rods. They would be the same, if randomly while trying to make gp items to get your woodworking items or just making items to skill up in general, your ability to craft crapped out and you needed to make and eat an elemental bead to have the ability to craft again. Or you could walk to castle zvahl and regain your ability to craft. To think there is no difference is to be plain stupid.

All I'm seeing is "Thief's knife shouldn't be changed. I had to camp Sozu for that god damn 1% drop, so you should have to too!"

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 1:09am by Deadgye

Interesting story... if only it didn't match crystal synthesis in general (material loss on fail and success, and no unlimited refill) and recipes like Revenging Staff in particular... (need 3 75s to fight a NM TWICE, all so you can create two GP items to turn in that day...)

The point of the elemental beads reference was to show that all crafts are dependant on another craft, especially at higher skill levels. Fishing is no exception. Rods break, woodworker or alchemist fixes.


Actually, it would be more like Thief Knife reward being given as a moogle quest when your THF hits the proper level.

If leveling woodworking is not an option, WHM to 38 and BLM to 17 for Teleport-Altep and Warp is all you need to fix a rod asap. Provided you have the ancient lumber and light crystals, you can get done with it before the next ferry leaves from Selbina or Mhaura.

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 4:11pm by Seedling

If you want to catch anything over level 60, good luck with any other rod. If it's strong enough to not break, the fish will be too small, if the rod is small enough to catch the fish, the rod will break every other fish. And that's assuming you can even reel the fish in without the long time and fast fish hp wear down of Lu Shang's in the first place.

Because the Rabao AH has 43 ancient lumbers up for sale all the time, right?

The rod looks pretty consumable to me if all this hullabaloo is about trying to get it repaired. And I'm still not seeing how this point of yours means its synth level should be reduced and not every other post-70 synth.




Yeah, except getting around this is really not all that difficult.




Again, if your Lu is breaking and you don't have a means of fixing it on the spot, it means you do not know how to avoid Lu breakers. That's your problem, not the game's. Since the fishing update, every single Lu breaker can be identified and avoided before reeling it in.

And it's certainly possible to reach 100 lolfishingskill without ever going after a Lu breaker, assuming you care about that sort of thing.

For something to be consumable it would have to used up and gone forever. Once again, you misunderstand.

Consumable, breakable, same @#%^ing thing. Arguing semantics isn't going to help your cause.

And I'm still not seeing how this point of yours means its synth level should be reduced and not every other post-70 synth.




I made it to 100 fishing without ever going after Lu breakers and I made almost entirely pure profit doing so because it was all with lures. Don't know why you can't pull it off.

News flash: most Lu breakers are fairly worthless too.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 5:56am by Fynlar

The whole "Ice Beads are consumable, Lu Shang is not" was an exercise in manipulating semantics to begin with. Ice Beads are not consumable. If they were, you would be able to select them from your inventory and either use it on yourself (i.e. food and meds) or on an object (i.e. coffer key on a coffer).

If you want to argue that synthing makes the Ice Bead disappear for good, and thus it is consumable, then Fyn can argue the same thing for Lu Shang's Rod. If you try to fix it when the boat docks, it's gone for good.

Just to refute the "go for Lu breakers or you can't target decent fish for gil while leveling up" argument, here's what I used to skill up (currently in the 60s and going between Bastore Breams or Dil/Mercanbaligi depending on where I am and what ambiance I feel like for the night).

0-11: Moat Carp (4k/stack, Knightwell, Insect Paste)
11-27: Nebimonites (9k/stack, SSG, Shrimp Lure)
27-53: Shall Shells (7k/stack, Buburimu, Rogue Rig)
53-86: Bastore Bream (7400/stack vendor, Port Windy, Shrimp Lure)
86-96: Dil (12k/stack, Talacca Cove, Shrimp Lure)

These are all easy to fish up without catching anything that can break a Lu (and I was actually safe to use a single Hume Rod from 0-53).

Disclaimer: All prices are rough estimates from Lakshmi AH and/or high-fame vendors. More can be gotten by people willing to drop some off at fishing guilds and/or with complementary crafts of course.

No, they're not. I leveled bonecraft to 100 without ever needing to level another craft to 60. And you're telling me that because skills use some items to craft some things that it's okay for fishing to require a skill ABOVE 60? Your analogy is horribly flawed when related fishing to other crafts, a more proper one was already stated in the thread. "Rods are like crystals. Bait, place, level, and sometimes time are the ingredients. It'd be like removing single crystals from monsters, and needing to level alchemy to 70 to turn clusters into crystals before you can level something else."


No, it would be like having to kill tonberries for a pop item and then killing Sozu for the drop.



And here you fail again. When my rod breaks, I have to warp, I then have to either a. change jobs in my mog house and telepo-altepa or b. outpost warp to altepa, then I have to run to rabao, then after I fix my rod I have to warp again, and then I have to outpost warp back to cape terrigan, and then I have to run through kuftal again to get to my fishing spot. It takes way too long. And then for liks and gugus, sure; it doesn't take as long- but do you have any idea how often your lu shangs is going to need to be repaired? You might as well buy another @#%^ing account and level woodworking on it.


No, it is not "our problem". It means your fishing something that breaks the rod, which surprise; includes liks and gugus. It also includes the only fish that I would like to catch to make money.


He's not the one arguing semantics, you are.


No. That's called being a stubborn twat. Lu shangs never disappear unless you glitch the game. Ice beads are designed to disappear when you craft with them.


It's sad that not only do you not understand what arguing semantics are, but that once again you're going to stalemate a logical proposition by not comprehending anything that's going on and telling people that they're doing something they're not.

Also, to add on to your ridiculous slippery slope argument, I propose it's stupid for us to let homosexuals marry, because they we have to allow humans marry animals, who knows where it will end!?

Edited, Jan 7th 2010 12:08am by Deadgye

Christ, it's like you people like needless timesinks.