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#202 Oct 23 2015 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can see how it's relevant to point out that Obama did make exactly that big deal about this when running

For certain values of "big", I guess. You'll notice this thread jumped from 2007 to 2015 -- Obama's stance on Armenia wasn't exactly burning up the forums.
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#203 Oct 26 2015 at 2:31 AM Rating: Default
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I'm of "Presidents should do what they promise" decent.
So you're gullible?


Are you gullible if literally every promise made by a President is not held to after election? Because every President breaks many promises. I expected Obama to do so as well, and to Gbaji--I did vote for him first time, Jill Stein next time. I'm your ally only in wanting a well-written, smart, good-arguing conservative to speak up, in this morass of faux liberal posters. Mostly didn't vote for him due to breaking promises. My general stance is anti-incumbent, and progressive liberal. "second-chance" after a terrible first term makes no sense to me. Such a first-term President has PROVEN to suck, so why vote for him again? Why not give an opponent, even a :gasp: republican to prove to suck. All you voters who ignore BS and just vote on party lines are enablers. I voted for Dole btw for such reasons, because Clinton failed to deliver first term. He did much better second, and so has Obama, but still not a reason to reward an abysmal first term.

"Videotape proves Obama just raped and murdered a child! And he just dropped nuclear bombs on Cuba, killing everyone there!!"

dumb voter: "Still, at least he's not a Republican! Think of how many SCOTUS members are about to die! That's more important!"

"Hillary approved all of that and fashioned it! She also raped and murdered many babies! Bernie Sanders, I say I say is not electable! Let's now get behind Hilary"

I don't think such a scenario is too bizarre that idiot voters would still vote now for Hillary, or formerly for Obama. Partisans or weird people who think SCOTUS has magical powers or whatever.

Have you ever voted for a President who promised something while campaigning, then didn't deliver? If not, you're lying. If so, then the only cause you have to criticize me on this is just which promise was broken*. Your facile "gullible" charge is weak. Especially since any ethical person should indeed object to any and all campaign promises by any and all candidates that are later abandoned. It's expected, it will happen, yet still criticism of such is necessary, and valid. Hold their fires to the hot coals or to the lazy stirring of the hot gumbo pot. Where I live and wait.

*Acknowledging the Armenian Genocide as a Genocide. Duh, except apparently for US Presidents. An obvious 100 year-old thing that happened not called such because...Turkey is such a great ally. Laugh my *** off. Pathetic piece of Presidency and balls.
#204 Oct 26 2015 at 2:42 AM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
I can see how it's relevant to point out that Obama did make exactly that big deal about this when running

For certain values of "big", I guess. You'll notice this thread jumped from 2007 to 2015 -- Obama's stance on Armenia wasn't exactly burning up the forums.


It was a big deal to American Armenians. Those who survived the Turkish genocide which killed millions of them. But sure, little deal. Little mass graves (have you googled some images of such btw?). Little promise. Little political import. Let's just ignore that local genocide. If something isn't "burning up the ZAM forums" then Armenian survivors should just STFU and stop asking for a promised recognition.
#205 Oct 26 2015 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
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Such a first-term President has PROVEN to suck, so why vote for him again? Why not give an opponent, even a :gasp: republican to prove to suck.


Why would you expect someone to vote against their political self interest? And for something as asinine as anti-incumbency too?

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It was a big deal to American Armenians. Those who survived the Turkish genocide which killed millions of them. But sure, little deal. Little mass graves (have you googled some images of such btw?). Little promise. Little political import. Let's just ignore that local genocide. If something isn't "burning up the ZAM forums" then Armenian survivors should just STFU and stop asking for a promised recognition.


There are a lot of graves in many countries that are politically convenient to ignore. In this case, the regime and empire which perpetrated it is dead. There is more ethnic cleansing going on in Der-el-zor. Along with recognition, what action would you have the US to perform?
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Why would you expect someone to vote against their political self interest? And for something as asinine as anti-incumbency too?
I get a kick out of his anti-incumbency stance given he stated both Clinton and Obama have done better in their 2nd terms than in their first. Who would've though that Presidents can actually try to do more of what they promised when they're not working on getting re-elected? Shocking.
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#207 Oct 26 2015 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Palpitus1 wrote:
It was a big deal to American Armenians.
As I previously wrote:
Turkey > Armenia to US foreign policy. That's the answer.

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#208 Oct 26 2015 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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I expected Obama to do so as well
So that's a "yes."
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#209 Oct 29 2015 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Please, I want Obama to do something dumb, that I claim should be done, even though I don't give a #$%^, because it will make him look dumb, because I hate Obama
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Please, I want Obama to do something dumb, that I claim should be done, even though I don't give a #$%^, because it will make him look dumb, because I hate Obama


What in the **** are you talking about? Your supposed quote is nothing like what I said.

First--you seem to think Obama calling the Armenia Genocide for what it was is "dumb"?? Or that I think it will make him look "dumb"? I think it will make him look like a candidate who delivered on a campaign promise, so the opposite of "dumb". If delivered it would be "integrity", "smart", "honest", etc.

And I don't "hate" Obama. Unless by "hate" you mean I hate promises by candidates which aren't later delivered. Though I do think he sucks as a President. Take your strawman quote to the Moon and live there forever and regret how you once made such a ****** post that you were sent there.


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#211 Oct 30 2015 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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Unless by "hate" you mean I hate promises by candidates which aren't later delivered.
Sounds like your first experience with politics.
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Missed this gem.

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I get a kick out of his anti-incumbency stance given he stated both Clinton and Obama have done better in their 2nd terms than in their first. Who would've though that Presidents can actually try to do more of what they promised when they're not working on getting re-elected? Shocking.


I wouldn't necessarily say that either of their improvements had to do with being a second term president though (and I'm really scratching my head trying to figure out what Obama has actually done in his second term). There's a pretty clear pattern that might explain things though, if one were to look at changes in Congress during the same time period in both of their presidencies. I'd argue that it's less that they did "better" at implementing a positive agenda and more that they were prevented from doing negative things by a congress that held them in check (and in the case of Clinton actually ran the agenda more than he did).
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#213 Nov 03 2015 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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Missed this gem.

Uglysasquatch wrote:
I get a kick out of his anti-incumbency stance given he stated both Clinton and Obama have done better in their 2nd terms than in their first. Who would've though that Presidents can actually try to do more of what they promised when they're not working on getting re-elected? Shocking.


I wouldn't necessarily say that either of their improvements had to do with being a second term president though (and I'm really scratching my head trying to figure out what Obama has actually done in his second term). There's a pretty clear pattern that might explain things though, if one were to look at changes in Congress during the same time period in both of their presidencies. I'd argue that it's less that they did "better" at implementing a positive agenda and more that they were prevented from doing negative things by a congress that held them in check (and in the case of Clinton actually ran the agenda more than he did).


Yeah, but you're a maniac.

Administrations, like everything else, generally get more efficient with practice. Whether you agree with what they do is irrelevant.
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(and I'm really scratching my head trying to figure out what Obama has actually done in his second term)

Really? Iran nuclear deal? Trans-Pacific Partnership (and the TPA)? Major steps towards normalizing relations with Cuba?

Regardless of whether or not you LIKE them, those were landmark events and major wins for Obama's agenda. That's not counting less sexy stuff like the multiple wins during budget/debt ceiling negotiations or first term carry-over stuff like more SCotUS wins for Obamacare.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2015 5:13pm by Jophiel
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gbaji wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily say that either of their improvements had to do with being a second term president though
Of course not, because they were Democrats. The GOP must have saved them.
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(and I'm really scratching my head trying to figure out what Obama has actually done in his second term)

Really? Iran nuclear deal? Trans-Pacific Partnership (and the TPA)? Major steps towards normalizing relations with Cuba?


Yup. Still scratching my head.

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Regardless of whether or not you LIKE them, those were landmark events and major wins for Obama's agenda.


Landmark? Maybe. But then so would handing Alaska back to the Russians. And while I suppose you can argue that these may be wins from Obama's perspective, I don't think they are wins for the US as a nation. Unless "turning us into a second world nation" counts as a "win".

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That's not counting less sexy stuff like the multiple wins during budget/debt ceiling negotiations or first term carry-over stuff like more SCotUS wins for Obamacare.


Again, a win for Obama isn't really a win for the country.
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Again, a win for Obama isn't really a win for the country.


Well, not YOUR country. But your country is a fictional land that where global warming isn't happening, trickle down economics work, Obama was born in Kenya & is a muslim, where brown skinned immigrants are all rapists and murderers, where facts are boo'd during presidential debates, and where any suggestion of a minimum wage increase is frowned upon despite the fact that upper management is making 100s of times more than the line workers.
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I don't think they are wins for the US as a nation.

Who cares what you think? You asked what Obama had done his second term. The answer is that he has passed through major trade deals and foreign agreements. If the question is "What did Obama do that Gbaji will say was wonderful?" then, sure, nothing. But that's a stupid question.
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Trans-Pacific Partnership


LOL at you considering that a good thing and a boon/check-mark to his 2nd term. You don't even know what it entails. No one does, including very few in Congress. Good/bad?? Who knows? Definitely not you, outside of your faith in Obama at least.
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LOL at you considering that a good thing and a boon/check-mark to his 2nd term.

If I've learned anything from all this, it's that Armenians (and their allies) are largely illiterate.
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Regardless of whether or not you LIKE them, those were landmark events and major wins for Obama's agenda.

Obama wanted the TPP to pass. It did. It's an accomplishment. Whether you think it's the best thing in the world or the worst or wherever in between, it's still a major checkmark next to Obama's accomplishments.

Accomplishments aren't determined by what you do or don't like. If the next president dismantles the ACA or passes universal single-payer healthcare, that'll be an accomplishment. If they approve or kill the Keystone pipeline, that'll be an accomplishment. If they build a 50' wall on the Mexican border or make every illegal alien a full citizen, that'll be an accomplishment.
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Who cares what you think?
You should feel honored to read the thoughts of a guy who thinks Hawaii is a part of Kenya.
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Who cares what you think?
You should feel honored to read the thoughts of a guy who thinks Hawaii is a part of Kenya.


What? Obama is an American. I'm not a truther or anything, I'm a progressive. You make the most inane strawman posts, it's just embarrassing. I've never said or insinuated anything like that and the very idea is ludicrous. Don't just drop in and make stupid **** posts, please. Oaf.

As to Jophiel--okay, granted, even Obama's horrible achievements will count as such, including expanding drone strikes and such. If his tenure led to a new law requiring all babies to be murdered, and this was law or Executive Order, then another achievement. Great job. Maybe next he might round up all Muslim-Americans into camps and you'll claim that because that was his goal and he did that, it's a great example or his Presidency. Do you have any ethics btw? Any morals? Any sense or right and wrong? Are you a sociopath?
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Hey, Palpitus1:

re: Your strange responses to our responses

We all think you are varus and will respond to you as such until you prove otherwise. OK, maybe not all of us, but quite a few.

It looks like the same retarded rhetoric, written a bit more coherently.

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There is no ******* way Palitus is varus. I can't see the slightest resemblance.

A blatant clue for you would be the fact that Palpitus has stated he's voted for Clinton and Obama on their 1st terms.
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As to Jophiel--okay, granted, even Obama's horrible achievements will count as such, including expanding drone strikes and such. If his tenure led to a new law requiring all babies to be murdered, and this was law or Executive Order, then another achievement. Great job. Maybe next he might round up all Muslim-Americans into camps and you'll claim that because that was his goal and he did that, it's a great example or his Presidency. Do you have any ethics btw? Any morals? Any sense or right and wrong? Are you a sociopath?

Yes, great, you finally are starting to understand. If Obama said "I want to get a law passed murdering all the babies" and Obama was able to get that law passed, it would be an achievement. Regardless of whether or not you liked it, he did in fact do something significant that he said he wanted to do. That's sort of the definition of "achievement".

I don't see where ethics and morals fit into the definition of achievement. Into your opinion on said achievement, sure. Into the definition of the word itself? Nah.
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