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But also of course it's terrible that anyone could defend Obama for promising to call this a Genocide, then never do it.


I don't think anyone's defending Obama so much as not being nearly as surprised and/or upset about it as you are. I can't speak for others on this forum, but for me, it's a matter of prioritization. Out of the rather long list of things that I disagree with that Obama has done during his administration, failing to call the Armenian Genocide a genocide is ridiculously far down on that list. And just to end the whole thing with an absurd analogy, it would be like complaining that Hitler never got around to painting that wonderful landscape that he promised to paint for us when he was running for Chancellor back in 33.

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I don't think anyone's defending Obama so much as not being nearly as surprised and/or upset about it as you are. I can't speak for others on this forum, but for me, it's a matter of prioritization. Out of the rather long list of things that I disagree with that Obama has done during his administration, failing to call the Armenian Genocide a genocide is ridiculously far down on that list. And just to end the whole thing with an absurd analogy, it would be like complaining that Hitler never got around to painting that wonderful landscape that he promised to paint for us when he was running for Chancellor back in 33.

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Well, I don't remember Hitler genociding millions of artists because he was anti-artist, and the world not even 100 years later acknowledging this as a simple fucItalic Textking fact.

Where does this rank for Armenian-American descendents of genocide who voted for him in part due to his promises, which he failed on.

And let's say he'd promised to acknowledge the Rwandan Genocide (if Rwanda was an important country now so he'd have to reconsider) in or order to win votes, yet never delivered. Should refugees who voted for him be ******* Obviously yes. He's put politics over humanity, even after promising to do the opposite. He's Turkey's *****. A lying coward and piece of shit on this particular issue.


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Where does this rank for Armenian-American descendents of genocide who voted for him in part due to his promises, which he failed on.


And? What about all the other promises he failed to deliver on?

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And let's say he'd promised to acknowledge the Rwandan Genocide (if Rwanda was an important country now so he'd have to reconsider) in or order to win votes, yet never delivered. Should refugees who voted for him be ******* Obviously yes. He's put politics over humanity, even after promising to do the opposite. He's Turkey's *****. A lying coward and piece of shit on this particular issue.


Do you honestly think he gained more vote promising to recognize the Armenian Genocide than he did promising all those cushy benefits to unions? Or the environmental stuff to environmentalists? Or the trade changes to blue collar workers? Or unemployment benefits? Housing benefits? Tax credits? The list goes on and on and on.

My major issue with your complaint is that you make it out like he singled out this one issue to renege on. The fact is that he's got a pretty terrible track record with a lot of his promises. He basically promised everyone everything back in 2008 to get elected. No sane person should have thought going in that he could possibly keep all the promises (especially since some of them were contradictory). Some of us pointed this out back in 2008. So yeah, if you voted for him because you honestly thought he was going to do all those things he promised, then you got taken. You'll just have to deal with it.


There's a much bigger picture here.
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My major issue with your complaint is that you make it out like he singled out this one issue to renege on. The fact is that he's got a pretty terrible track record with a lot of his promises.


Um, yes he does. Maybe you need to look again at this thread title and topic, which I didn't start? Maybe I'm singling out his dealing with the Armenian Genocide here because this thread is titled "On the Armenian Genocide". Start a thread titled "On the Obama Drone Bombing" or "On the Obama Refusal to Prosecute Bush Era Torturers, Move Forward" and I'd be right there. I'm not making it out like anything. Have you even seen/read my "Does Obama Officially Suck Now" thread, where I list dozens of terrible track records very early in his admin??

But this thread is laser-focused on this particular topic. ARMENIAN GENOCIDE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. VERY SIMPLE. YES OR NO.

Obama has done an awful lot of bad things. Including reneging on the promise to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide as a genocide, which is the topic of this thread. And which is binary, yes/no. Obama chose NO, not gonna do that.

"major issue", "making it out like". WTF. No, that's the current topic in this thread. GTFO with "major issue", Sir Ignorant. You're responding to the wrong person, dude.

Edited, Jul 15th 2016 5:26am by Palpitus1
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But this thread is laser-focused on this particular topic. ARMENIAN GENOCIDE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. VERY SIMPLE. YES OR NO.

If you want "laser focus", we should restrain ourselves to talking about 2007's House Resolution 106 and whether or not the House of Representatives should pass a resolution calling upon President Bush to acknowledge the event as a genocide. And there was actually four options to pick from, not just two. You know -- if we're to have laser focus on the OP.
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Maybe we should wait until the Latest Coup attempt by the military is over and then we might be able to say something.
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#422 Jul 15 2016 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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So do we know if we hate these military people yet?
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Nope, still too little is know and I seen one tweet that

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Haven't seen any confirmation yet.
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Some reactions from others:

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36811357

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US Secretary of State John Kerry says he hopes there will be peace, stability and continuity within Turkey, Reuters news agency reports.


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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says it is important to "avoid bloodshed" in Turkey. Any issues should be settled within a constitutional framework, he adds.


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Federica Mogherini, the EU's foreign affairs chief, tweets: In constant contact with EU Delegation in Ankara & Brussels from Mongolia.Call for restraint and respect for democratic institutions


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Ok. fine. We'll keep the Turks in the Armenian Genocide thread...

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Ok. fine. We'll keep the Turks in the Armenian Genocide thread...
Think of it as keeping up the diplomatic pressure. If we don't keep spamming this thread might fall off the first page sometime next year, then who would be left to hold Turkey accountable?
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who would be left to hold Turkey accountable?

The pilgrims!
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The pilgrims!
Let's go with that. They were genocidal too, this could work...
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But this thread is laser-focused on this particular topic. ARMENIAN GENOCIDE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. VERY SIMPLE. YES OR NO.

If you want "laser focus", we should restrain ourselves to talking about 2007's House Resolution 106 and whether or not the House of Representatives should pass a resolution calling upon President Bush to acknowledge the event as a genocide. And there was actually four options to pick from, not just two. You know -- if we're to have laser focus on the OP.


Don't bother to restrain anything, much less a year before Obama was elected, in at least a little part due to his promising to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Not sure what one has to do with the other. And sorry if I don't go back to your original OP (mostly due to drunkenness) but GWB hasn't been in charge for a long while, nor did he promise to call the Armenian Genocide a Genocide. Obama did though! Yet he didn't, and wont'! BINARY. LIAR. DUH. focus on potus, lotus blossom.

As far as current Turkey; I would hope the coup would succeed, as the Turkish military has a long history of couping radical sectarians and authoritarians/autocrats, which Erdogan is. Turkish coups are uniquely unlike any other coups. And of course Turkey in the past genocided Armenians (well, I guess they actually didn't if you ask our current President). But today if the coup succeeds Turkey would be less sectarian, more against ISIS, less against bombing Kurds, more inclusive. And in a couple years after the military cedes control (as history has shown), a new democratic government.

Yeah, coups are 99% bad. This is the 1% we should hope succeeds.


ETA: mixed up sectarian with non sectarian. Stupid word, I blame the word not me. LOL at that Trump Pence **** *** logo btw. Get it dirty. No judgement.

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So the coup failed, apparently, according to now up-to-date reports. That sucks.
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Yeah, coups are 99% bad. This is the 1% we should hope succeeds.
I had a friend say the same thing yesterday. I'm not up to speed on Turkey so can't comment in agreement or disagreement, but his reasoning is that Erdogan has basically been trying to consolidate power in a Putin-like fashion. Very anti-democratic in a nation that holds very strongly to democracy.
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As far as current Turkey; I would hope the coup would succeed, as the Turkish military has a long history of couping radical sectarians and authoritarians/autocrats, which Erdogan is. Turkish coups are uniquely unlike any other coups. And of course Turkey in the past genocided Armenians (well, I guess they actually didn't if you ask our current President). But today if the coup succeeds Turkey would be less sectarian, more against ISIS, less against bombing Kurds, more inclusive. And in a couple years after the military cedes control (as history has shown), a new democratic government.


The problem is that we don't actually know if this would have been the case. The new government could just as easily been directly pro-IS rather than just the "play the middle" position that Erdogan has been pursuing. I think it's a terrible mistake to apply our own fairly uninformed and binary view of politics on another country. It's not as simple as being "for" or "against" things that the US likes. It's very unlikely for the political factions within Turkey itself to align so nicely. So you may get a replacement that is "better" in terms of the Kurds, but "worse" in terms of dealing with IS and Syrian refugees (and yes, that's absolutely possible here).

Of course, the downside is that it looks as though he's likely to use the attempted coup to consolidate yet more power for himself. So we maintain a semi-ally in Turkey, but will probably have to deal with this down the road. At which time, the likelihood of an anti-west faction gaining power to oppose him will be even higher. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?
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I had a friend say the same thing yesterday.
"X is horrible except when it benefits me" ?
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The problem is that we don't actually know if this would have been the case.
Oh come on, you're the last person to complain about the legitimacy of hypothetical scenarios.

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But today if the coup succeeds Turkey would be less sectarian, more against ISIS, less against bombing Kurds, more inclusive. And in a couple years after the military cedes control (as history has shown), a new democratic government.


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The problem is that we don't actually know if this would have been the case.
Oh come on, you're the last person to complain about the legitimacy of hypothetical scenarios.


I'm not complaining. Just pointing out that his statement is, in fact, hypothetical.
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I'm not complaining. Just pointing out that his statement is, in fact, hypothetical.


It's a hypothetical based on the history of that nation. So, a hypothetical that is likely (>50%) to be true, at least I think my points are that.

There's of course now no current hypothetical showing Erdogan dismissing thousands of justices, teachers, soldiers, etc. That is fact. Soon might be a fact of reinstating the death penalty. Hypothetical that too, but one Erdogan wants. Not much hypothetical about Erdogan being more non-secular, or more bombing Kurds, or more quasi-supporting ISIS. And "Inclusive".
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I'm not complaining. Just pointing out that his statement is, in fact, hypothetical.


It's a hypothetical based on the history of that nation. So, a hypothetical that is likely (>50%) to be true, at least I think my points are that.

There's of course now no current hypothetical showing Erdogan dismissing thousands of justices, teachers, soldiers, etc. That is fact. Soon might be a fact of reinstating the death penalty. Hypothetical that too, but one Erdogan wants. Not much hypothetical about Erdogan being more non-secular, or more bombing Kurds, or more quasi-supporting ISIS. And "Inclusive".


I think you're misunderstanding me. I was not questioning your opinion of Erdogan. I was questioning your assumption that a replacement via coup would be better. History shows that the statement "it can't be worse than <insert bad thing here>" pretty consistently turns out to be false.
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While any time there is a coup, it represents a blow to democratic rule, Turkey is kinda of a special case, they have a long tradition of military coups that return power to democratic institutions. Amusingly they are also always launched on Fridays so as not inconvenience people's work schedules.
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Amusingly they are also always launched on Fridays so as not inconvenience people's work schedules.
Obviously all allied with big business. If they were really doing it for the people they'd revolt on a Monday so everyone had an excuse to skip out on work the rest of the week.
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[quote=Palpitus1]I think you're misunderstanding me. I was not questioning your opinion of Erdogan. I was questioning your assumption that a replacement via coup would be better. History shows that the statement "it can't be worse than <insert bad thing here>" pretty consistently turns out to be false.


Not Turkish History, bro. Check it. Context. Statistical likelihood based on past precedent, per state, not per global.

Try to Laser-focus and learn things instead of knee-jerk!

I don't think you're misunderstanding my claim--rather that you're ignorant of your own, as you seem to think a Turkish coup is akin to any other coup. This is not so, my love. I will seek you in the Fortress of Regrets. My love
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[quote=Palpitus1]I think you're misunderstanding me. I was not questioning your opinion of Erdogan. I was questioning your assumption that a replacement via coup would be better. History shows that the statement "it can't be worse than <insert bad thing here>" pretty consistently turns out to be false.


Not Turkish History, bro. Check it. Context. Statistical likelihood based on past precedent, per state, not per global.


I get it. But a statistical likelihood is not the same as a certainty. If you'd added the word "probably" to your original sentence, I'd have had no problem with it.
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Granted, a few months ago but:

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/02/germany_recognizes_armenian_genocide_renewing_calls_for_u_s_to_do_the_same_and_for_obama_to_fulfill_his_promise/

"Germany’s parliament, the Bundestag, made history on Thursday by voting in a landslide to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide.

The historic decision renewed calls for the U.S., which has long remained silent on the issue, to do the same. On the eve of entering the White House more than seven years ago, Obama promised to recognize the genocide, yet has failed to do so."


As a senator, I strongly support passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.106 and S.Res.106),” Obama said. “And as president I will recognize the Armenian Genocide,” he pledged. My bold, because come on.

Liar. Puppet of Erdogan Yes, really, on this issue. There is no other rationale for the lie and broken promise [I mean, if one assumes Obama is a moral/good person. At this point that is indeed in doubt]. Obama acknowledging this wouldn't break NATO. It wouldn't cause Turkey to leave NATO. Erdogan is pwning Obama on this issue. Incredibly pathetic and weak. So many hopes and dreams destroyed. No We Can't state a simple plain promised fact to state, that the Armenian Genocide was just that, a Genocide.

Not sure what legacy folks will remember of the Obama Admin, but re: Armenian Genocide, it should be seen as duplicitous lies, pandering to minorities that wield no power yet maybe a few votes gained from the lie, and being browbeaten and a puppet of a ****** leader of another country whose country committed said Genocide. I sure hope Armenian-Americans never, ever trust another word out of the mouth of any politician on this issue. Obama seemed the most likely to do it, even promised to do so, but didn't. So, Armenian-American voters [and obviously this may not be or should be your only issue; I'm just crystalizing things and being reductive and simple per the topic], just expect no one will and dismiss any claims by any politicians who promise such as lies. Trust is gone, via the US President's naked, egregious lies.



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I'm never voting for that Obama guy again. That'll teach him.
I never voted for him in the first place.
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I never voted for him in the first place.
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