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#52 Apr 08 2012 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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I found this mod which is really nice because it means I don't have to worry all the time about making mistakes

FYI for ugly. None of my content aside from the main game and awakening was actually working, apparently you need to upgrade to 1.05, which is what I'm doing now.

http://social.bioware.com/page/da-patches



Edited, Apr 7th 2012 11:13am by Xsarus
Thanks. I was wondering where the rest was. At $10 I wasn't too concerned, but nice to know I can get it.
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#53 Apr 09 2012 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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No love for Sten?

He was one of my favorite characters. So much sarcasm. Smiley: laugh
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#54 Apr 09 2012 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
Weekend status: I've cleared the circle and convinced the demon in connor to leave forever and give me something, so that's awesome.

I got completely annihilated by the assassin, but beat him on my third attempt. I'm going off to get arcane warrior now so that I can try this tanky aoe thing you guys were talking about.

I'm getting better at not accidentally switching characters over and over in combat, Is there a way to lock that?

Everyone is neutral or just friendly with me, but those two quest lines got me a lot of gifts, so that might change.

Edited, Apr 9th 2012 8:36am by Xsarus
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#55 Apr 09 2012 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Weekend status: I've cleared the circle and convinced the demon in connor to leave forever and give me something, so that's awesome.


Did she teach you blood magic? If not, and you have a save before that, I advise you go into the fade and get the specialization. Once unlocked, it will be unlocked for all characters, so no need to keep that choice.

Of course, that doesn't matter if you don't intend to use it. Spirit Healer is fine for Arcane Warriors.
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No love for Sten?

He was one of my favorite characters. So much sarcasm. Smiley: laugh

I'm appreciating Sten more though his beginning attitude makes him hard to warm to. He's good times with Leliana though.
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"I was helping it train."

My first play though I let Sten die in his cage. I think I assumed I'd get back to it or something and left Lothering which was then burned while I was away.

My mage is super squishy but I'm not going Arcane Warrior out of pure stubbornness. I'm also forcing myself to do any relationship building the old fashioned way and avoiding the Feastday gifts.
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#57 Apr 09 2012 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Ha, feastday gifts. They certainly made the dialogue interesting for someone I just met.
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#58 Apr 09 2012 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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My mage is super squishy but I'm not going Arcane Warrior out of pure stubbornness.
IIRC, Blood Mage + one of the specializations in awakening will make you nigh invincible even without Arcane Warrior.
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#59 Apr 09 2012 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Yes, I got blood magic.
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I'm not doing Blood Mage either. Been picking up all the Primals then I might grab a few Arcane (and a heal, I suppose). My elf is a good girl.

I'd say "next time" but I hated the mage intro so much that I'm not sure there'll be a next time.

I took my dog into the Fade and was disappointed at his lame nightmare.
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#61 Apr 09 2012 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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I'm hating The Fade. The only thing worth while in here so far is a few permanent increases to stats. And a mouse.
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#62 Apr 09 2012 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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I'm hating The Fade. The only thing worth while in here so far is a few permanent increases to stats. And a mouse.
That's the only thing worth it at all. And really, the stat increases are pretty unnecessary.

I always hate when I do a playthrough and get to that part. I can't use that mod because I have it on PS3. I suppose I could pick up the PC copy, but meh.
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There's a mod to "Skip the Fade" if you really need it. It just runs you through each of your party's nightmares and then the final battle. You get all the stat increases and xp you would have gotten the traditional route.

You might need to restore to a save prior to entering. I'm not sure how well it would play with you already being in it.

The Fade and a future bridge puzzle are my least favorite bits of the game. They're just out of character for the rest of the game.
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#64 Apr 09 2012 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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I liked the Fade on my very first playthrough, probably mostly because I rolled a mage. I don't know that I'd have thought it as cool if I had rolled a melee character because it has a more direct relation to mages. Certainly my least favorite part on subsequent playthroughs.
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#65 Apr 09 2012 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
I didn't mind it once. I don't think I'd want to do it again though.

I haven't decided if I want to go blood or not. My character so far is sympathetic to the motivations, but I don't think really likes blood magic. We'll see.
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I can see the motivation for apostates who want to be out of the Chantry's shadow but blood magic is a step too far, good sir.

Also, Jowan's a pud.
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#67 Apr 09 2012 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I can see the motivation for apostates who want to be out of the Chantry's shadow but blood magic is a step too far, good sir.

Also, Jowan's a pud.
You should see how far the archmage in DA2 takes it.
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#68 Apr 09 2012 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
First it's just stabbing yourself in your hand to escape being killed, soon, you're killing entire villages to ensure your beer stays cold. It's a dangerous path.

Edited, Apr 9th 2012 10:39am by Xsarus
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#69 Apr 09 2012 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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First it's just stabbing yourself in your hand to escape being killed, soon, you're killing entire villages to ensure your beer stays cold. It's a dangerous path.
I don't see the problem. That's how I keep my alcohol cold.
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#70 Apr 09 2012 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Fade is worth doing once. If I wasn't on the PS3, I'd DEFINITELY have that mod. It just doesn't add enough of value to the game. Most of DA:O's combat is about coordinating group efforts, so why the **** do we have this extended solo, shapeshifting crap? It grinds the story to a halt, because you aren't really thinking about the mage tower at all. Worst of all, you can't instantly shift from one form to another, which means standing around waiting for your character to go from form 1, to normal, to form 2.

And yeah, I'll probably only ever go Blood Mage again if I decide to play the game as a Maleficar Mage out for vengeance.

They could seriously eliminate the whole tree but Blood Magic and Blood Wound, cut both of their power in half, and it would still be crazy OP.
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lolconsole gamers Smiley: grin
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#72 Apr 09 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Enough out of you. Smiley: mad
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#73 Apr 09 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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Jowan is a pud because he's a whiny *****, not because he's a blood mage. He redeems himself a little bit during the Castle Redcliffe part of the story, but he mostly just annoys the crap out of me. I ratted him out to Irving during the opening mage plot because of all his incessant whining. "Oh, no one understands me! All the other mages hate me! They think I'm a blood mage! Oh right, that's because I am!" >.<
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#74 Apr 09 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Just imagine if he'd become a full companion like he was supposed to be.
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#75 Apr 09 2012 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
I would have blown him up with fire.
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Jowan is a pud because he's a whiny *****, not because he's a blood mage.

It could be that being a blood mage makes you a whiny *****. That's not a risk I'm willing to take.
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I kinda wish he was, though. Imo, the game could have used one more mage and rogue companion. You have 4-5 warrior options, with 3 standard Warriors (no DW option), and then Dog/Shale, who have the Warrior core talents with unique specs.

But for Mages you only have Morrigan and Wynne who, depending on your choices, might not even be available in the final stretch of the game. Though this isn't TOO big an issue, since the two are opposites, and most roleplayers probably wouldn't lose both. If you are going to kill the mages/defile the Urn, you probably won't be opposed to sexing up Morrigan.

Leliana and Zevran are a bigger issue for me. Primarily because an "aggressive" character might kill Zevran, thinking he would betray you (as he might), then defile the ashes to cause Leliana to turn. They could at least have given Shale the ability to smash open chests. XD
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I think the life lesson here is that, if you're going to act like a ****, you'll have less friends. I'd find it sillier to be set up with a League of Evil dedicated to stopping the Blight.
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#79 Apr 09 2012 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand why there wasn't a "force lock" try if you didn't have a rogue with you where you could try to break a lock open.
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If you have a PC, there's a mod for attempting to break/ensorcell a lock open with a risk of destroying the sweet, sweet loot inside.

By "sweet loot", I of course mean the grey iron dagger and Froststone you typically find after getting Rank IV lockpicking and returning to that chest you couldn't open two towns ago.

Edited, Apr 9th 2012 2:47pm by Jophiel
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#81 Apr 09 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Protip: if you're worried about "party balance", just roll a mage and grab all of the crowd control spells (force field, crushing prison, etc.). You can let the rest of the party run around naked, and you'll still probably have to bump up the difficulty.
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#82 Apr 09 2012 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
But, but... I like to blow stuff up. Smiley: frown I think that might be part of my issue. I do try to make a concerted effort to stay behind Alistair so I don't get myself killed, but I much prefer blowing stuff up than worrying about CC. I just need a 5th party member so I can stick Morrigan in there and she can do all that stuff.
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But, but... I like to blow stuff up. Smiley: frown I think that might be part of my issue. I do try to make a concerted effort to stay behind Alistair so I don't get myself killed, but I much prefer blowing stuff up than worrying about CC. I just need a 5th party member so I can stick Morrigan in there and she can do all that stuff.

There's a mod that lets you add a fifth slot specifically for your dog, although he doesn't get to banter then. Smiley: frown
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#84 Apr 09 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
Well, I'm playing the 360 version so no mods for me.
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Why people insist on buying console versions of PC games, I'll never know.
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#87 Apr 09 2012 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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When DA:O came out, my PC couldn't have run it. Could have bought the ultimate edition for the PC, I suppose, but it just seemed like lost work at that point. Maybe I'll grab it next time it comes on sale.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
First it's just stabbing yourself in your hand to escape being killed, soon, you're killing entire villages to ensure your beer stays cold. It's a dangerous path.




There's no slope as slippery as a bloody slope.
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#89 Apr 09 2012 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
So here's an interesting twist. If you use the mod to unspec Morrigan (or I assume anyone else) you lose the shapeshifter spec, and can't get it back until you unlock it normally. Of course, you can just revert to a previous save, but an interesting consequence.
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Huh. That is interesting. How do you get it back? She's the only one I've noticed who could train it.
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I imagine the script for her to train it isn't actually attached to her having the spec. To unlock it for a Mage anyway, you needed her to train you. So even if you removed her shapeshifting ability, she's still going to be able to teach it, and still going to use it in one particular potential cutscene.
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#93 Apr 10 2012 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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Because I prefer console gaming. I find relaxing on my couch and using a controller to be much more comfortable than sitting at my desk using my keyboard. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the 360 version and the PC version is the way the menu and hot keys work. Yeah, it's annoying only having 6 abilities easily at my disposal, but it's not that hard to bring up the menu and access my other abilities.
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Because I prefer console gaming. I find relaxing on my couch and using a controller to be much more comfortable than sitting at my desk using my keyboard. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the 360 version and the PC version is the way the menu and hot keys work. Yeah, it's annoying only having 6 abilities easily at my disposal, but it's not that hard to bring up the menu and access my other abilities.


You also have much less control over tactical combat, limited/no modding capability, don't have the ability to go through lists easily, and frankly zounds of other things.

Use a TV as your monitor and wireless keyboard/mouse and you can still lounge on a couch.

Console gaming just feels like crippling yourself.
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Ok, the fade wasn't so bad once I got all of the forms. Starting a combat with riposte/flurry, golem form, quake/slam, spirit form, prison/ice, golem form was pretty awesome.

Zevran was a wuss. Took him out first try, but some of the Chantry quests have given me fits. Until I stopped charging in and started creeping into the combats and picking enemies off one at a time with ranged.
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I need to run some of the Chantry/Mage/Mercenary quests. I just never think of doing so but sometimes it's nice to just step off the plot-train for a bit.

Zevran being a wuss reminds me of why else I never use him (although I assume you meant your first meeting, not him an NPC). He's set up as a melee rogue but has shitty armor (and no STR to wear better) and the game doesn't know what to do with melee rogue AI. So using him in your party requires constant babysitting as opposed to Leliana's archery or the warriors' point-and-go mob bashing. Wynne comes preprogrammed as a heal bot and Morrigan is easy enough to set for CC and damage. Team tactics are an important part of the game but I don't want to spend the whole time micromanaging a single NPC to make him effective.

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This is really the biggest problems. Properly specced DW Rogues put out a ridicoulous amount of damage, but the game makes no attempt to maximize the amount of time they spend backstabbing.
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This.
I bought DA:O for PS3 because my PC couldn't run it. By the time I had a PC that could run it, I figured I may as well buy the DLCs, Awakenings and DA2 for PS3 as well so as to import my saves. I might grab it for PC next time I feel like playing it, but I've got such a backlog of games at this point that I don't see it happening for a while.
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Ha-ha, you paid for Witch Hunt.

Edit: Also, nice picture. It looks like Morrigan grew 12 years younger, ate a bunch of ice cream sandwiches and hit herself in the face with a trash can lid.

Edited, Apr 10th 2012 8:33am by Jophiel
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