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Charmander

Some audio for you all. (I forgot about this about a month old now)




"@#%^ the EU" pertains to the EU not going along with the US on sanction talks when the Government began to crackdown on the rioters.


For the record the US has its guys where they want them. Yats (Fatherland Party) is the PM and Klitschko (leader of UDAR) is going to be running for President in the next real election, with Tyahnybok maintaining party leadership of the Fatherland Party.






Edited, Mar 1st 2014 11:01pm by rdmcandie

Edited, Mar 1st 2014 11:02pm by rdmcandie

Hope they fly and land in the middle of Kiev. Lord knows that the rioters burned out enough of it to provide a landing strip.

Coups are dirty plays and Obama and Merkel should feel ashamed.

You realize that faction is just a different extremist group under a 'popular' nomer, right?



Sure, if Russia want's to openly move in and declare him leader, legitimized by Russian military force, rather than the Ukrainian people.

Yanukovych has also left a paper trail of corruption.

Did you expect the movement to overthrow Russia's puppet wouldn't be pre-planned? that it would be an organic escalation of the protests?

That's a fantasy.

http://i.imgur.com/hi9HbCr.gif updated version

The sound is important.

That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.

Is the argument here whether or not the EU/USA ("West") is in the wrong by attempting to gobble up sovereign governments en masse for the sake of economic domination or that Russia is in the wrong for taking any opportunity it can to expand the borders of it's influence and if so; are people supposed to take a stance and chose between these two policies?

Am I looking at this too simplistically to view this as a plain struggle between the concept of nation states and the concept of a global economic oligarchy? It seems that Americans (in general) have a somewhat unique perception of these matters. On one hand US citizens, unlike much of Europe, perceive the borders of our country themselves as providing us with the right and status to be citizens of this country, as opposed to Europeans which seems to view the borders of a country as more of a mere political and economic tool rather than a cultural and nationalist qualifier...and the actions of the EU seem to confirm this. On the other hand the United States government seems to operate in the same manner as the European governments in which they seem (to me) to view a 'global' economic state as being more relevant than any notion of nationalism.. except for where the two overlap or where the nationalism can be used to serve the larger economy (eg the banks). This seems to be the root of the growing gulf between the US government and the US population at large excepting where the propaganda has achieved its goal of making people think that their public interest is of more concern than expanding the wealth of big businesses.. big businesses to which any true loyalty to the public of any nation is of no relevant concern except for (once again) where they can serve the interest of the money-making body (eg Ukraine?).

It just seems that all that any of this is (as some have pointed out) and can clearly be quantified as a struggle between borderless economic powers such as the EU(in bed with the US government) and the standard nationalist governments such as Russia that are either big enough or powerful(militarily or economically) enough to refuse to play ball with said conglomerate of economic bodies...
and all of this at the expense of the general public... (not that this notion would be anything new).

Am I just stating the painfully obvious here or should I just grab my tin-foil hat and just believe that the "powers that be" really do have my personal best interest at heart instead of the interest of building new and more efficient ways of gaining more power and more wealth?

I'm clearly a very simply person and just want to process this in the most simple way possible. If something that I have just stated above is inaccurate or off in left-field than please feel free to rip it to shreds and educate me on your superior understanding of the situation of this planet and its people.

The funny thing is, I am usually pretty on top of goings on and it never dawned on me that the leaked phone call was of any real consequence until the named parties all landed in positions of power in the "temporary" Government. "Angry" linked that call back at the beginning of February and I personally just brushed it off as a diplomatic oops. The Euro websites I hit up are not very happy with the contents, especially now that the Government has changed hands. There is not very much support for the situation in European areas, especially those heavily dependent on Russian Energy. If this thing really goes sideways and Russia turns off the tap Europe is going to be in a great deal of hurt and I think they know that which is why the outcry condemning Russia hasn't been nearly as vocal as the US or even Canada.

Also of note:
The first major action the new government took was to strike down a Russian language law. Which is odd for a transitional Government to do.
A Jewish synagouge was firebombed by elements of the Euromaiden movement (allegedly supported by the Bandera ****'s)
There are reports of Jewish and Ethnic Russians being assaulted and harassed in and around kiev since the Governent was toppled.
In regards to the last two, the Chief Rabbi in Ukraine has urged Jews to flee Kiev and the surrounding areas, and has called on Israel for support.

Heh. I see now.

The west is trying to **** off mother Russia, but taking away one of her prodigal children.

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I gotta run to work so I am in cliff notes mode. It is in the world's interest that Russia is taken down a peg.

Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,

Not the western part of Ukraine, it would risk east Ukraine seceding as well and it would lose a lot of income from tourism.