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#1 Mar 10 2014 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was waking up with the sun, now I'm getting up in the dark. The kids are stumbling around the house in a cranky haze. The bus was half full this morning. I forgot stuff at home. I spaced on taking meds this morning. My watch is screwed up because I did something wrong when I reset the time and don't know where the manual is.

Really now that they switched the date It's not even worth flipping back to normal time for the couple of months we do it. So let's just choose one or the other already and stick with it already.

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[choice]I don't have to change my clocks, ha ha. Smiley: tongue:
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#2 Mar 10 2014 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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My cellphone is my clock so it does it by itself. But then I don't remember it is supposed to so I spend time trying to figure out why its broken.
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#3 Mar 10 2014 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
At least three of us were late to the first meeting this morning. I was only 4 minutes late, but someone stumbled in almost 15 minutes after the start, looking pretty rumpled and hurried.

There is no good reason to do this any more. The excuse of "it encourages after work shopping" is bogus because people shop 24/7 online. The excuse of "it saves energy" is bogus because people are using their iPads in bed at 3AM.

It was a good idea for its time - it was a good idea when Ben Franklin first proposed it back in the 18th century - but it's a bad idea for the 21st century and everyone hates it.
#4 Mar 10 2014 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's nice to have more sun in the evenings though. I like this. It's such a minor change twice a year, I barely notice it.
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#5 Mar 10 2014 at 11:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
It's nice to have more sun in the evenings though.
I agree, so lets keep it all year round.

Problem solved.
...the problem is solved.
We solved the problem.
Now everything is awesome.
Problem solved.

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#6 Mar 10 2014 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most research seems to indicate it's fairly useless in 2014. There's debate over if there was ever any real value. The US excels at change, so I imagine right after we adopt the metric system in 2254 we'll probably drop Daylight Savings.
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#7 Mar 10 2014 at 12:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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You guys did change it a couple years back. Canada will most likely just follow whatever the US does.
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#8 Mar 10 2014 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
It's nice to have more sun in the evenings though. I like this. It's such a minor change twice a year, I barely notice it.


Not when you're trying to force your kid to bed who is arguing at 9pm that it can't be bedtime since the sun is still up Smiley: glare
#9 Mar 10 2014 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Canada will most likely just follow whatever the US does.
A refreshing change of pace, to be sure.
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#10 Mar 10 2014 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Canada will most likely just follow whatever the US does.
A refreshing change of pace, to be sure.
Something, something, puppet state.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Canada will most likely just follow whatever the US does.
A refreshing change of pace, to be sure.

We like to shake things up.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
It's nice to have more sun in the evenings though. I like this. It's such a minor change twice a year, I barely notice it.


Not when you're trying to force your kid to bed who is arguing at 9pm that it can't be bedtime since the sun is still up Smiley: glare
Only another 10, 15 years and they'll be old enough to decide their own bedtime (or you shout at them to get some ******* sleep as they're still up when you go to the bathroom at 3AM).
#13 Mar 10 2014 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm fine with it either way, but if it's really doing no good, then might as well get rid of it. I do want the summer hours to be the new fixed time - who benefits from having more sunlight in the early AM?

But this is ridiculous:
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The kids are stumbling around the house in a cranky haze. I forgot stuff at home. I spaced on taking meds this morning.

You had 36 hours to adjust to the new time and it messed you up that badly? It's not like they spring it on you Monday morning. Plus, you got jetlag from a 1 hour time shift?
#14 Mar 10 2014 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tennessee is considering dropping Daylight Saving. I'm all for it, as long as they keep Saving time and not Standard. Which is pretty much the norm anyway since we only follow Standard time for what, 2.5 months?
#15 Mar 10 2014 at 6:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I say split the difference and nail it down. It's not like conserving candle wax or whatnot is a major concern anymore.
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#16 Mar 10 2014 at 6:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:

I'm fine with it either way, but if it's really doing no good, then might as well get rid of it. I do want the summer hours to be the new fixed time - who benefits from having more sunlight in the early AM?

But this is ridiculous:
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The kids are stumbling around the house in a cranky haze. I forgot stuff at home. I spaced on taking meds this morning.

You had 36 hours to adjust to the new time and it messed you up that badly? It's not like they spring it on you Monday morning. Plus, you got jetlag from a 1 hour time shift?


Actually there were few articles stating that DST can really mess some people up for a week, most in people with sensitive circadian sleep rhythms.
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Actually there were few articles stating that DST can really mess some people up for a week, most in people with sensitive circadian sleep rhythms.


I don't see how people are affected that much. I fly from opposite ends of the earth and get on schedule within 1-2 days.
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The kids are stumbling around the house in a cranky haze. I forgot stuff at home. I spaced on taking meds this morning.

You had 36 hours to adjust to the new time and it messed you up that badly? It's not like they spring it on you Monday morning. Plus, you got jetlag from a 1 hour time shift?
I dunno.

Kids probably made it worse than normal this time. They're in that fun stage right now where they're starting to not be sick, but aren't entirely well yet. So they're extra hyper from being cooped up for a couple of days, but are still bad enough you don't want them out and about. Needless to say they aren't transitioning well. Smiley: lol

But it probably takes me a couple of days to adjust to even an hour difference normally. Not that you'd really notice it if I was traveling, since that's either vacation or a conference, in which case life isn't exactly taxing in any way. But yeah, still...

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Actually there were few articles stating that DST can really mess some people up for a week, most in people with sensitive circadian sleep rhythms.


I don't see how people are affected that much. I fly from opposite ends of the earth and get on schedule within 1-2 days.


Yes, some people can do that. I can do that currently. If I was on the UMSS, a 1-hr phase shift would fly just about as well as an anchor.
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Yes, some people can do that. I can do that currently. If I was on the UMSS, a 1-hr phase shift would fly just about as well as an anchor.



I would imagine that having Polyphasic sleep would make the transition easier. Maybe not for an hour, but for major time shifts. The hardest part of getting on schedule with a major time shift is staying awake and sleeping at a specific time.
#21 Mar 11 2014 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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Sleep comes easy to me. I changed up the clocks on Saturday and had no problems with this adjustment or subsequent ones.

Still, as others have mentioned, it's not necessary. A lot of what we do isn't.
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Time change messes me up for a good 3-4 days in the spring. I can't just sleep earlier, my body doesn't work that way. It takes time to adjust so I'm in a bit of a fog for the better part of a week. Which is about how long it takes me to get tired enough to fall asleep an hour earlier. It's the reverse in the fall, I'm up early, at work early ready to go, like I just had a mini vacation.

I'm ridiculously tired right now. That hour comes off of my morning which is when I'm actually asleep, rather than the night when I tend to be tossing around. Not all hours are equal.
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My alarm clock was supposed to recognize the need to change over and do it automatically, but it didn't. I changed the time manually, but it still thinks it's DST, so I'll probably have to change it again in a couple of weeks when it decides it's time.

It's an antiquated system whose purpose, if it ever actually served a purpose other than to feel like we were doing something useful, has long since faded away. But as Smash said, we're not happy with change so we'll probably keep using it. Maybe the next Administration will narrow the times down further - starting in December and ending in February, say - until gradually we have DST on the winter solstice and then immediately switch back.
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#24 Mar 11 2014 at 8:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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But as Smash said, we're not happy with change so we'll probably keep using it.
Attach an Iran Sanctions Bill to it and you couldn't keep approval off it.
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Samira wrote:
But as Smash said, we're not happy with change so we'll probably keep using it.
Attach an Iran Sanctions Bill to it and you couldn't keep approval off it.
Typical liberal bloat.

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Time change messes me up for a good 3-4 days in the spring. I can't just sleep earlier, my body doesn't work that way. It takes time to adjust so I'm in a bit of a fog for the better part of a week. Which is about how long it takes me to get tired enough to fall asleep an hour earlier. It's the reverse in the fall, I'm up early, at work early ready to go, like I just had a mini vacation.

I'm ridiculously tired right now. That hour comes off of my morning which is when I'm actually asleep, rather than the night when I tend to be tossing around. Not all hours are equal.


I suggest waking up an hour or two earlier the day before the change. That's how I get on track. When I fly across the pacific, I deprave myself sleep the day before which keeps me ridiculously sleepy the next day. While I'm on the plane, I then sleep when it's "night time" at my destination. Of course, my body isn't fully adjusted yet, but my transition starts there as opposed to when I land. It's nothing innate, but something I train to do.
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