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#128 May 30 2014 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nope I think a business owner should be able to serve whom they choose

Then why are you whining?

And were are you going to live up to your responsibilities and pay up the fifty bucks?

Hahahaha... as if you would. We all know that conservatives are all talk and no balls. You'll never take responsibility for your decisions but you'll whine and cry and blame everyone else for it.
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#129 May 30 2014 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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For example a bakery should be able to refuse to make a cake for a homosexual couple because to make that cake would be a violation of their religious beliefs.
But if a Democrat kicks someone out because of their own ideology it's wrong. Your argument doesn't even have weight to crush itself under.
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#130 May 30 2014 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.
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#131 May 30 2014 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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zamwiki wrote:
For example a bakery should be able to refuse to make a cake for a homosexual couple because to make that cake would be a violation of their religious beliefs.
But if a Democrat kicks someone out because of their own ideology it's wrong. Your argument doesn't even have weight to crush itself under.

Yeah, so apparently he DOES think that Chipotle should be able to kick someone out for wearing an NRA T-Shirt.
#132 May 30 2014 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.
It's probably in the section that says that if a woman isn't a virgin at marriage she should be killed by the now ex-husband and her father and the part that talks about the evils of clothes made of different fabric.
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#133 May 30 2014 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.


It's right next to the part where it says we can't eat shellfish or pork or get tattoos on our bodies followed by "Lol just kidding do it anyway."

damn lolgaxe and your fast fingers.

Edited, May 30th 2014 7:54pm by Kuwoobie
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#134 May 30 2014 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Burma is, was and will be a site for organic uprisings.

not organic shaving cream?
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#135 May 30 2014 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Iceland had an organic uprising which replaced their government in '09

Burma is, was and will be a site for organic uprisings.


Yeah, I guess. Iceland was closer to a vote of no confidence than a revolution, but sure. Burma is barely a nation state. If there was much worth fighting over, a larger player would make it a proxy state. India, most likely, that may be happening regardless.


China would be the one more interested in picking up SEA, but they have been fairly insular until recently, partially because there isn't much competing for the region.

India would be much happier re-absorbing Pakistan and Bangaladesh, if anything.
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#136 May 30 2014 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.

Book of Gluten. Chapter 12, verse 5.
#137 May 30 2014 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.

Book of Gluten. Chapter 12, verse 5.
So If I'm following you, this means that celiacs and people who say they're gluten intolerant are basically evil.
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#138 May 30 2014 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I must have missed the part of the bible that disallows making cakes for the gays.

Book of Gluten. Chapter 12, verse 5.
So If I'm following you, this means that celiacs and people who say they're gluten intolerant are basically evil.

Na, just more holy, because not only are they not making cakes for gays, they aren't making cakes for anyone.


Gluten free flour baked goods are not real baked goods
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#139 May 30 2014 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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What if you're a celiac and homosexual? I guess that's ok, because you're not eating cake.
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#140 May 30 2014 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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Gbaji wrote:
Oh. And also illustrating why this is a poor approach to take. No one seems to be able to agree, so the only thing we accomplish by going with the "more gun control" route appear to be to create more argument. Which, if your objective is solely political, works great. If your objective is to actually find real workable solutions to the issue of crazies committing mass shootings, it's not so great at all.


That's an absurd position to take since it's applicable to just about every topic one can think of. Not every person holds the same beliefs on when and how capital punishment should be executed, how and when an abortion can take place, who and how people should be granted legal residency/citizenship, etc.
#141 May 30 2014 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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Oh. And also illustrating why this is a poor approach to take. No one seems to be able to agree, so the only thing we accomplish by going with the "more gun control" route appear to be to create more argument. Which, if your objective is solely political, works great. If your objective is to actually find real workable solutions to the issue of crazies committing mass shootings, it's not so great at all.
That's an absurd position to take since it's applicable to just about every topic one can think of. Not every person holds the same beliefs on when and how capital punishment should be executed, how and when an abortion can take place, who and how people should be granted legal residency/citizenship, etc.
Yeah, well, when you live in gbajiland anyone disagreeing with you is wrong, so it simplifies everything.
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#142 May 31 2014 at 1:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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zamwiki wrote:
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I only think a business should be able to ban someone for actions, myself.

Chipotle: Love guns? Wearing an "I love guns" T-Shirt with an NRA baseball cap? Whatever, come in and get a cheap burrito.

Brandishing guns inside our store and scaring our other customers? We don't want you in here.

See the difference?

Businesses have the right to refuse to serve and eject people for actions, like not wearing shoes or pooping on the floor. They shouldn't have the right to refuse someone who has the wrong skin color or who is wearing a burka or who happens to be holding hands with someone of the same sex. (Holding hands is not considered an offensive action in America, outside of Bobby Jones University.)


They should be able to refuse someone for whatever the reason. Because what ends up happening is Democrats force their beliefs on people and if the business owners don't comply they are attacked. For example a bakery should be able to refuse to make a cake for a homosexual couple because to make that cake would be a violation of their religious beliefs. Rights are a meaningless word to people like you because the second an actual right becomes inconvenient you use the courts and activist judges to impose your views on those who don't conform.




I'm OK with that. However, they must have a copy of their religious text on hand at all times and either follow all of it or none of it. They don't get to pick and choose which parts of their religious beliefs they get to ban people for.
#143 May 31 2014 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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That would be the ideal, but unfortunately the only people that could really do anything have decided that the only options to solve the problem are MORE GUNS or NO GUNS, both of which are pants on head retarded.

Yeah, no. NO GUNS leads to lower murder rates, not really disputed in any serious way.


NO GUNS is in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. So unless you are actually seriously advocating for a repeal of the 2nd amendment, supporting, praising, or even suggesting this as an option is moronic and a complete waste of everyone's time.

Which is presumably what he was talking about. There's a massive excluded middle where the only options are no guns and more guns. There is literally no one in opposition to creating regulation that can prevent truly disturbed people from being able to obtain guns (that would be the "less guns" option). The problem is that anytime this is suggested the "no guns!" crowd can't help by push for restrictions that apply to everyone, or slip in their own pet gun control, and thus ensures that the other side opposes it.

The saddest part is that I'm quite sure that the "no guns!" crowd does this purely for the political advantage it gets them. They know nothing will come of it, but by proposing tough gun control (while claiming they're just trying to prevent the last crazy guy's gun spree), they get to make their base happy, and drum up support by demonizing those "evil gun owners who want to help mentally disturbed people own guns!". It's a political fabrication, but in the meantime nothing actually gets done that addresses the real problem at hand.

Heaven forbid someone actually propose a clean and workable piece of legislation that actually addresses the health care concerns at hand rather than over extending it into a broad attack on the 2nd amendment. Because we can't do something that might actually work, right?

It seems that both sides want to turn a less guns argument into a no guns argument. One is saying they want no guns, the other is using fear that less guns now will mean no guns in the future.
#144 May 31 2014 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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zamwiki wrote:
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I only think a business should be able to ban someone for actions, myself.

Chipotle: Love guns? Wearing an "I love guns" T-Shirt with an NRA baseball cap? Whatever, come in and get a cheap burrito.

Brandishing guns inside our store and scaring our other customers? We don't want you in here.

See the difference?

Businesses have the right to refuse to serve and eject people for actions, like not wearing shoes or pooping on the floor. They shouldn't have the right to refuse someone who has the wrong skin color or who is wearing a burka or who happens to be holding hands with someone of the same sex. (Holding hands is not considered an offensive action in America, outside of Bobby Jones University.)


They should be able to refuse someone for whatever the reason. Because what ends up happening is Democrats force their beliefs on people and if the business owners don't comply they are attacked. For example a bakery should be able to refuse to make a cake for a homosexual couple because to make that cake would be a violation of their religious beliefs. Rights are a meaningless word to people like you because the second an actual right becomes inconvenient you use the courts and activist judges to impose your views on those who don't conform.


I'm OK with that. However, they must have a copy of their religious text on hand at all times and either follow all of it or none of it. They don't get to pick and choose which parts of their religious beliefs they get to ban people for.


That's not how religion works. It gives people a tenuous basis to to declare pre-existing social biases sacrosanct. It's not at all about following the letter of the law so to speak as handed down in scriptural text. Failing to produce a cake for someone on the basis of their sexuality IS discrimination. A priest failing to sanctify marriage because it doesn't align with the dogma is also discrimination, but it's a protected case of discrimination. Both of these people could go elsewhere for their needs but in the former case, they shouldn't have to.

There is a reason to disallow places of business from prohibiting certain classes of people service.
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#145 May 31 2014 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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What if it's a church bake sale?
#146 May 31 2014 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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In my opinion, unless it's a spiritual ritual of some sort, there shouldn't be any discrimination. I'm sure that there might be additional exceptions, but that should be the primary rule.
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Did I... did I just agree with Alma?
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I'm OK with that. However, they must have a copy of their religious text on hand at all times and either follow all of it or none of it.

Many religions don't have all of their dogma codified into a singular religious text. Others have texts that invalidate other parts (such as the New Testament stating that the Old Testament Law is no longer binding). Others may have sects that have independently revised rules under assumed authority such as some branches of Judaism changing application of the law. In short, your idea is unworkable.
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#149 May 31 2014 at 5:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a matter of interpretation, which is what makes religion such a dangerous thing to play with, because some people are ******* nuts.
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I'm OK with that. However, they must have a copy of their religious text on hand at all times and either follow all of it or none of it.

Many religions don't have all of their dogma codified into a singular religious text. Others have texts that invalidate other parts (such as the New Testament stating that the Old Testament Law is no longer binding). Others may have sects that have independently revised rules under assumed authority such as some branches of Judaism changing application of the law. In short, your idea is unworkable.

Geez, that's just as confusing as federal law trumping state law...
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#151 Jun 01 2014 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
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I was listening to the Miller Show the other day ( I didn't go to work that day -- had errands to run ) and there was this general attempt to blame everything on the evil culture that men have created. It is the culture's fault that this poor misguided young male has been led astray. I am not insane enough to say that it is not a factor, but I don't see 17 year olds killing every girl that turns him down .. I am just saying.

I think.. in this case... Chris Rock meme applies.. Whatever happened to crazy? Did we eliminate crazy from our lives?

And the annoying chick on the show said it was all my fault. I only the man would just stop being a man. If only he was a chick; everything would be better.

No offense ladies, I am not sure this world would be that much better if we all were the same. Definitely not if everyone was like me.
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