It is a potential battle Verizon vs Netflix over the term Gbaji hates [ this ] much: net neutrality.
Netflix decided to call things as they are and VZ lawyers did not find it amusing.
So what is it? Some interesting approach to negotiation ( shakedown) or a real negotiation dance over price? Is Netflix thinking medium term about the potential damages? And how soon will people know net neutrality term once their cat videos are not buffering?
Edited, Jun 9th 2014 10:04pm by angrymnk
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Not related to net neutrality at all, really. A little complicated, but boils down to Netflix saying "plug our server into your network, please" and Verizon saying "not for free, get the data here yourself". The congestion issues all happen prior to data entering Verizon's network.
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angrymnk wrote:
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George Carlin wrote:
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Two sides playing chicken over something neither of them wants to pay for, and using buzzwords to try and get people on their side.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Not related to net neutrality at all, really. A little complicated, but boils down to Netflix saying "plug our server into your network, please" and Verizon saying "not for free, get the data here yourself". The congestion issues all happen prior to data entering Verizon's network.
That's pretty much the entirety of most arguments for "net neutrality" though. It's complete garbage, but that doesn't stop people from screaming "we need net neutrality to stop <insert random network related thing>". Just look at the comments.
Net Neutrality isn't about net neutrality. That's kind of the whole point I've been trying to make for a couple years now.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Not related to net neutrality at all, really. A little complicated, but boils down to Netflix saying "plug our server into your network, please" and Verizon saying "not for free, get the data here yourself". The congestion issues all happen prior to data entering Verizon's network.
That's pretty much the entirety of most arguments for "net neutrality" though. It's complete garbage, but that doesn't stop people from screaming "we need net neutrality to stop <insert random network related thing>". Just look at the comments.
Net Neutrality isn't about net neutrality. That's kind of the whole point I've been trying to make for a couple years now.
You are not incorrect. Well, Smash isn't. You are. You are not completely incorrect. But I am willing to admit I did not think it through.
Does it mean it is a truth in advertising issue? Recent ads from all major ISPs keep telling me I can stream all kinds of HD shows..
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angrymnk wrote:
Recent ads from all major ISPs keep telling me I can stream all kinds of HD shows..
I'm willing to bet that Comcast does a bully job of streaming me high def stuff from Xfinity TV Online.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
Recent ads from all major ISPs keep telling me I can stream all kinds of HD shows..
I'm willing to bet that Comcast does a bully job of streaming me high def stuff from Xfinity TV Online.
Well, Netflix did pay for prote.. I mean consideration from Comcast. I actually have C as my ISP.
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angrymnk wrote:
Does it mean it is a truth in advertising issue? Recent ads from all major ISPs keep telling me I can stream all kinds of HD shows..
I'd say that the truth lies somewhere in between "evil network corporations shutting down the little guy" and "free or fast; pick one".
My issue with Net Neutrality is the disconnect between the stated problem(s) and the proposed solution. Unfortunately, people tend to spend far more time and effort identifying things they dislike than determining if the proposed alternative is something they like. And other people tend to take advantage of that fact.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
That's pretty much the entirety of most arguments for "net neutrality" though
Nope, not close. Pretty much the entirety of most arguments is "don't throttle content". Not complicated. Verizon not throttling content here, thus entirely unrelated to net neutrality. People misunderstanding that in no way diminishes the actual concerns around net neutrality. If your point is "many people don't understand net neutrality" that's fine, and accurate. If your point is "many people don't understand net neutrality, thus it isn't important conceptually" that's idiotic. For instance, you don't understand the scientific method, but that doesn't mean it isn't important to the rest of us.
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Smasharoo wrote:
People misunderstanding that in no way diminishes the actual concerns around net neutrality.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Smasharoo wrote:
That's pretty much the entirety of most arguments for "net neutrality" though
Nope, not close. Pretty much the entirety of most arguments is "don't throttle content". Not complicated. Verizon not throttling content here, thus entirely unrelated to net neutrality. People misunderstanding that in no way diminishes the actual concerns around net neutrality. If your point is "many people don't understand net neutrality" that's fine, and accurate. If your point is "many people don't understand net neutrality, thus it isn't important conceptually" that's idiotic. For instance, you don't understand the scientific method, but that doesn't mean it isn't important to the rest of us.
Which doesn't change the fact that most of the conditions that spur people to call for Net Neutrality legislation are misunderstandings, just like the one in the OP. And it's not really surprising because there are very very few cases of actual targeted content throttling, and the few times it has happened have resulted in backlash and usually fines for the company that stupidly tried it. In other words, the system works and we don't need new legislation to "fix" it. Ergo, the calls for Net Neutrality legislation rest nearly entirely on things that aren't actually about net neutrality at all, but are presented to a largely misinformed public as such in order to gain support for legislation which isn't needed.
We can further speculate about why certain parties want this legislation, but it's pretty clear that they're willing to label any complaint about any ISP for any reason as a justification for the need for their proposed legislation.
Edited, Jun 13th 2014 6:54pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
We can further speculate about why certain parties want this(net neutrality) legislation, but it's pretty clear that they're willing to label any complaint about any ISP for any reason as a justification for the need for their proposed legislation.
Ok, totally serious non-snark question. Who wants this legislation and why?
Your speculation, that is.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Which doesn't change the fact that most of the conditions that spur people to call for Net Neutrality legislation are misunderstandings
Who gives a fuck? Most house fires are accidents, that doesn't mean arson should be legal, even it wouldn't prevent most fires.
Edited, Jun 15th 2014 5:24pm by Smasharoo
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Friar Bijou wrote:
Your speculation, that is.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
Your speculation, that is.
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