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#1 Jun 19 2014 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
So, it's 2003 again and we're back on the subject of Iraq. Yay!

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Obama to send up to 300 'military advisers' to help Iraqi army repel Isis. Team will help Iraq counteroffensive against insurgent group Isis but Obama indicates US air power will be kept in reserve


Can someone explain to me what exactly a 'military adviser' is? And how will 300 of them stop a Saudi funded Sunni insurgency?
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#2 Jun 19 2014 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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PMCs, most likely under the U.S. payroll.

Edited, Jun 19th 2014 2:15pm by Shaowstrike
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Can someone explain to me what exactly a 'military adviser' is? And how will 300 of them stop a Saudi funded Sunni insurgency?

Sometimes exactly what it sounds like, sometimes intel ops guys, sometimes both. Probably both here. They won't stop ISIS. They may be able to secure the oil, which is the primary reason they're going in the first place.
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A military adviser is a soldier sent to a region to help in training of the region's military. Training, organizing, crap like that.

It most likely won't when you consider we did pretty much the same thing for like eight years with thousands of soldiers and we're back in this situation.
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#5 Jun 19 2014 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
Fair enough, I'll take that over bombing the place for the 674th time.
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That should start in August or September.
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#7 Jun 19 2014 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
Must be fun for them to stand on the Iraq-Syria border... Iraqi side they're 'terrorists'. Syria side they're 'freedom fighters'. Terrorist! Freedom fighter! Terrorist Freedom fighter!

And then they get bombed.
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#8 Jun 19 2014 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone gets bombed, that's how we do stuff here. It's much simpler than dealing with local politics.
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#9 Jun 19 2014 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
While the Iraqi army has completed failed on many occasions recently, keep in mind they've been fighting these guys for months. It seems what we call Iraq will probably be reduced by 2/3rds unless they can get the Kurds & Turkey to help. Maliki probably can't, so his only realistic is hope he has is to get the US & Iran to help him. Iran has an interest in protecting Shi'ite shrines & the US needs oil prices stable.

While its certainly not in the US' interest to surrender territory to the guys kicked out of Al Qaeda for being too extreme, the territory they have isn't as important as the region currently under control by the Iraqi government (with the exception of the refinery currently under dispute). No way the US sends in conventional troops, considering they have little chance of success convincing the Sunni's they previously fought with to fight insurgents during the war to cooperate with Maliki's forces. The Sunni's recently "conquered" by ISIS didn't fight them too hard and even though they don't want a religious state, they think ISIS will treat them better than Maliki.

In short, Iraq's ****** & turned out to be a very bad & expensive investment. We'll probably drop some bombs in order to protect the current area controlled by Iraq and keep the sweet, sweet crude flowing, but its gonna be up to Maliki to try and take back what he lost (if he wants another civil war).
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#10 Jun 19 2014 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, we really don't have a horse in this one. Don't think the US gives a damn who controls the area the ISIS is in right now for the most part. We have no interest in aiding Iran, and no interest in aiding "terrorists" as we'd consider them. Letting them kill more of each other is really the best bet for us. As long as they're busy doing that they'll have little interest in attacking anything or anyone we really care about.

Still the spice oil must flow, and I imagine we'll bomb whoever it takes to keep it flowing. Short of that though, it's just another in a long list of humanitarian crises that generates pictures of starving crippled children and makes us feel sad.

Edited, Jun 19th 2014 2:48pm by someproteinguy
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Yeah, we really don't have a horse in this one. Don't think the US gives a damn who controls the area the ISIS is in right now for the most part. We have no interest in aiding Iran, and no interest in aiding "terrorists" as we'd consider them. Letting them kill more of each other is really the best bet for us. As long as they're busy doing that they'll have little interest in attacking anything or anyone we really care about.

Still the spice oil must flow, and I imagine we'll bomb whoever it takes to keep it flowing. Short of that though, it's just another in a long list of humanitarian crises that generates pictures of starving crippled children and makes us feel sad.

Edited, Jun 19th 2014 2:48pm by someproteinguy




Shame that wasn't the general attitude back in 2003.
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#12 Jun 19 2014 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Saddam had messed with the oil before and couldn't be trusted. His days were numbered.

Edited, Jun 19th 2014 3:07pm by someproteinguy
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While the Iraqi army has completed failed on many occasions recently, keep in mind they've been fighting these guys for months. It seems what we call Iraq will probably be reduced by 2/3rds unless they can get the Kurds & Turkey to help. Maliki probably can't, so his only realistic is hope he has is to get the US & Iran to help him. Iran has an interest in protecting Shi'ite shrines & the US needs oil prices stable.

Nah, it'll be fine. Revolutions generally lead to unstable governing that's easy for the US to subvert and then murder thousands to solidify our influence. See also: Egypt.
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It's also convenient for the partition of Iraq that we've been semi-interested in for a while now.
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Nah, it'll be fine. Revolutions generally lead to unstable governing that's easy for the US to subvert and then murder thousands to solidify our influence. See also: Egypt.


Well, ISIS did raid 400mil from the central bank in Mosul, so they're now also the best financed terrorist organization. In fact, I'd say at this point they're way more powerful than Al Qeada.
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Well, ISIS did raid 400mil from the central bank in Mosul, so they're now also the best financed terrorist organization


It's ADORABLE that anyone is continuing with that narrative. "Terrorist Organization" How quaint! Do they serve poached quail eggs over naan if I stay at their B&B?

"Terrorist Organizations" don't hold ground or invade cities. The IRA didn't conquer Lisburn. Shining Path didn't set up shop in Lima. Find another name, the continuing use here makes the term "Terrorist" which is already greatly degraded, entirely useless.
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It's also convenient for the partition of Iraq that we've been semi-interested in for a while now.

Yeah, for some reason, it's an appealing idea to people *in the US*. It's been a non starter with all groups *in Iraq* forever. Who could guess why? I mean why wouldn't people in that region want the US and Europe to fly in and draw their borders up for them? That always works.
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Well, everyone but the Kurdish Nationalists.

I mean, if you are refering to the political figures who would be losing power by chopping their territory, yeah that's true.
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Smasharoo wrote:
While the Iraqi army has completed failed on many occasions recently, keep in mind they've been fighting these guys for months. It seems what we call Iraq will probably be reduced by 2/3rds unless they can get the Kurds & Turkey to help. Maliki probably can't, so his only realistic is hope he has is to get the US & Iran to help him. Iran has an interest in protecting Shi'ite shrines & the US needs oil prices stable.

Nah, it'll be fine. Revolutions generally lead to unstable governing that's easy for the US to subvert and then murder thousands to solidify our influence. See also: Egypt.

Is Egypt working out well for us now, or not? I can never keep up these days.
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IIRC they've pretty much gone full circle now.
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I think Egypt is still busy going in circles, we'll see how it ends up in about a decade.
#22 Jun 20 2014 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
ISIS should be in Egypt, really, only then I suppose it'd be ISIE, ruining everything.
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Is Egypt working out well for us now, or not? I can never keep up these days.


The easy litmus test is: "Are ships passing unhindered through the Suez Canal? If yes, everything is fine for the US. If no, everything is not fine.
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Well, everyone but the Kurdish Nationalists.

I'm not sure why you'd think that, honestly. Partition is an extremely unpopular idea on the ground in Iraq pretty much universally. If you had a vote, it would lose. Badly.
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#25 Jun 20 2014 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
What if the ships are not only unhindered, but actively being accelerated to an appreciable fraction of the speed of light? That'd be pretty bad.

Or what if McCain suddenly turned into an invincible, fire breathing dragon? Obama would be fucked.
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Or what if McCain suddenly turned into an invincible, fire breathing dragon? Obama would be fucked.

Nah, you just point Dragon McCain towards Syria and Iran and his lizard brain will take over from there.
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