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#27 Aug 14 2014 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't DAASH and ISIS/ISIL just the same thing in different languages, hence different letters?

Yes, I just find "ISIS" annoying because it requires shoehorning a word that doesn't really translate into that last "S". The Levant isn't "Syria". DAASH is catchier than ISIL.
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Life isn't a made for TV movie. This idea that the US only uses force to "defend" some arbitrary set of ideals is childish and repugnant. Stop being such a fucking sucker and perpetuating it.


Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.
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Ok, so basically **** isis response. I am fine with that.

What about that fun we had in Fergusson? It is kinda on now that the police arrested a white journalist.

Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force? I mean, anonymous can't fight all the fights for us.

Edited, Aug 14th 2014 6:41pm by angrymnk
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Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force?

Nah, that ratchet only goes one way. Who benefits from a less aggressive police force who has any agency in the US?
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.


Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.


Russia mostly concentrates on it's own people.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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angrymnk wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Really; the rest of the time what he says actually makes sense.
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#37 Aug 15 2014 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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angrymnk wrote:
Ok, so basically **** isis response. I am fine with that.

What about that fun we had in Fergusson? It is kinda on now that the police arrested a white journalist.

Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force? I mean, anonymous can't fight all the fights for us.

Edited, Aug 14th 2014 6:41pm by angrymnk

The white law-abiding citizens like (demand?) their military-police protecting them from the scary black dudes.

Presumably though, in Ferguson they did finally do just that. Tensions Ease in Ferguson as Police Change Tactics.

Edit: I miss Barney Fife. Smiley: frown

Edited, Aug 15th 2014 2:17pm by Elinda
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#38 Aug 15 2014 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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angrymnk wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Really; the rest of the time what he says actually makes sense.
If nothing else I figure most of the time it's more fun to take him seriously, even if he wasn't being serious at all.

Edited, Aug 15th 2014 8:46am by someproteinguy
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#39 Aug 15 2014 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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If nothing else I figure most of the time it's more fun to take him seriously, even if he wasn't being serious at all.

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#40 Aug 15 2014 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't think Varus had any principles?
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#41 Aug 15 2014 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection.


And yet...

Smasharoo wrote:
This idea that the US only uses force to "defend" some arbitrary set of ideals is childish and repugnant.


You've set an impossible standard.
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#42 Aug 15 2014 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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You've set an impossible standard.

I haven't set anything, I've merely pointed out that it's childish and idiotic to play pretend that the US doesn't commit mass murder if it thinks that may lead to a better outcome for the US. We do. Pretty much every day. Which I'm fine with, incidentally. That's how humans work as a species, we commit mass murder of innocents to effect control over populations. The problem comes in pretending we're fighting Red Skull and Hydra to guard the precious liberty of men in the name of God and Abragoerge Pattolinkwashington. There's no reason for it. It's as stupid and implausible as Dear Leader scoring an 18 on his first try at a round of golf.
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You directly argued that we should not complain about what ISIS (or whatever we want to call it) is doing because the US can't claim to have never once in its history used force for anything other than idealistic reasons. That's a "perfection or bust" argument (if you're not perfect you can't complain about anything anyone else is doing). Which is a ridiculous counter to make.

You'd be better off sticking to the whole "US military kills more people" angle, but then that's still ignoring that how/why people die actually does matter to most people. You may choose to just count bodies if you want, but the rest of us do make a distinction between someone killed in a firefight and someone being beheaded as a threat to the next group of potential opponents. I think it's a mistake to fail to recognize that, as a society, we wring our hands over something like piling up naked prisoners into a pyramid and call that a horrible violation of their rights, and that this kinda automatically makes us "better" than a society which actively raises its children to hate and kill enemies based on the most minor of differences. We bash ourselves over failing to reach a level of tolerance that is a silly number of steps farther along than most of the rest of the world can manage.

You do get that in the region in question, people are literally killing each other (in brutal ways) over what is essentially the difference between being a Baptist and a Methodist (not even sure if they're that far apart actually)? I think that while there's nothing wrong with holding ourselves to the highest standards possible, we also have to keep in mind how others we interact with internationally stack up against those same standards.

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You know, if you would just get to the ******* point, people might be more inclined to listen to you...But you use so many goddamned words.

Also, you are always so ******* wrong!
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You directly argued that we should not complain about what ISIS (or whatever we want to call it) is doing

Nope. Learn to fucking read.
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I think that while there's nothing wrong with holding ourselves to the highest standards possible,
As long as those standards are set by only white male heterosexual Christian Republicans, that is.
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I think standards should be frequently calibrated and re-standardized as necessary.
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That's why it's telling that the USA still uses Imperial measurements.
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I think standards should be frequently calibrated and re-standardized as necessary.

Nah, the world hasn't really changed *that* much in the past 2,000 years, right?
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Do you guys know how long it takes to get people to agree on standards ?

Look up the standards battle for the pitch of ***** threads. It's so basic a technology and so necessary to have standards, that it's mindblowing that it took so long.
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The pitch of what, now?
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