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#53 Aug 18 2014 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I doubt race even played as big a factor in this issue

You are wrong. The chances of an identical kid who happened to be white being shot six times in this circumstance is about .0000000000000001%
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So bumrushing the cop doesn't count as being an immediate danger?

While the cop is *in a car*? No, it doesn't count, unless the guy doing the bum-rushing is that rhino guy from Spiderman.
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#55 Aug 18 2014 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
Some news.

No one from the store called 911 about the "robbery" - a customer did.

I'm inclined to agree that it's likely that the cop panicked. That speaks to a lack of training more than intentional racism or malice.

I've also heard that it's standard procedure to "empty your clip" - in case you missed a bunch. That would explain six shots even without the panic aspect.
#56 Aug 18 2014 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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You are wrong. The chances of an identical kid who happened to be white being shot six times in this circumstance is about .0000000000000001%


I didn't say race wasn't a factor, especially given the history of racism in the local Ferguson PD as well as at the St. Louis County Police level. Its just I'm viewing this more like the Trayvon Martin situation: A bully with a gun picked a fight (in this case a cop), was losing the fight, and shot someone because he had a gun and the other guy didn't.

If both kids were white they'd probably be alive, but that's because they wouldn't have been harassed in the first place.
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#57 Aug 18 2014 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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If both kids were white they'd probably be alive


That's a fairly big factor.

"I don't think the gun was a big factor. If the cop had a feather duster, the other guy would probably still be alive"
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#58 Aug 18 2014 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
If this happened in England, they'd both be alive.
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#59 Aug 18 2014 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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If this happened in England, they'd both be alive.

Yeah, but not in Belfast. The US doesn't have a monopoly on over armed police forces.
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#60 Aug 18 2014 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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If this happened in England, they'd both be alive.
Or it could have ended with two dead policewomen.
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#61 Aug 18 2014 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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By all witness accounts, the cop was 0/3 on those.


Meh. Sorta. The meta issue of white America treating black folks like animals and not caring much if they get murdered doesn't magically mean this was the case of a mustachio twirling villain with a badge roaming the streets looking for an excuse to kill someone. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. It feels more like the guy just panicked, and overreacted. Probably without much malice. He shouldn't have to carry the weight for 100 million Gabaji's being racists just because he's in a position of authority.


If you look at the first autopsy's line drawing of the shots, they look like they go all the way up and to the right on the body, like he fired of several shots very rapidly.

Or I could be full of caca.

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#62 Aug 18 2014 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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If you look at the first autopsy's line drawing of the shots, they look like they go all the way up and to the right on the body, like he fired of several shots very rapidly.


Oh, probably, and you can fire six in a second or two. It's not like he was loading a musket. They train you to shoot until the threat ends as well, but they also train to shoot two and assess. Either that happened three times or he lost control.
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#63 Aug 18 2014 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Or I could be full of caca.
To me the grouping looks like someone who was panicking. For the shots to travel in a line like that means he was breathing erratically. The autopsy picture also doesn't indicate entry or exit wounds on the back, so I'd say that's more indication of a lower caliber firearm being used.

For what it's worth, I think both sides of this are full of caca.
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#64 Aug 18 2014 at 2:18 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm not even upset at the cop any more. I'm upset at the grossly incompetent police department, the stupid overreaction of the force to the protests, and the mishandling of everything from evidence to witnesses to the entire investigation. You don't just let a man you shot lie there on the street when a nurse is asking if she can help. You call a -ing ambulance. You don't let the office who had to use his weapon in a lethal action disappear - you take him back to -ing headquarters.

The FBI getting involved was the best news possible, because at least they have some people with two brain cells to run together between them.



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#65 Aug 18 2014 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The FBI getting involved was the best news possible, because at least they have some people with two brain cells to run together between them.


I think I saw this in a book once as "Many people have no experience working with the FBI and wildly guess as to their institutional competence EG: ":The FBI getting involved was the best news possible, because at least they have some people with two brain cells to run together between them."
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#68 Aug 18 2014 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

If both kids were white they'd probably be alive


That's a fairly big factor.

"I don't think the gun was a big factor. If the cop had a feather duster, the other guy would probably still be alive"


Nah, the cop would have dusted him.
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#69 Aug 18 2014 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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He was black. He deserved it.


He tried to bum rush a cop and most certainly got what he deserved. Bet he was used to beating up on people that were smaller than he was.


...Yeah... because being black is against the law. By itself it is worth six shots in the face, at least. It is only that cop's good manners that he didn't use a bazooka.

Listen, in a weird way it is a good thing that it happened the way it happened. Do you know why? Because all of a sudden talking heads on CNN and even FOX news are talking about white privilege. The kid may have not been a good kid, he may have even be a ****, but there is a reason we have some protections built into the system ( and in case you are wondering: yes, those protections include not being shot in the back without a good reason ). Running away is not really a good reason after a random stop.

If you do not understand this, you are more stupid than me and that is kinda scary.
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#70 Aug 18 2014 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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Listen, in a weird way it is a good thing that it happened the way it happened. Do you know why? Because all of a sudden talking heads on CNN and even FOX news are talking about white privilege..
Seems they have also decided to talk about what a bad idea it is to over-militarize the police.
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#71 Aug 18 2014 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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Running away is not really a good reason after a random stop.
Why was he running away backwards?
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#72 Aug 18 2014 at 5:05 PM Rating: Default
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Running away is not really a good reason after a random stop.
Why was he running away backwards?


Well, the recent NY case proved that you can't just walk away when you are black; backwards or forwards.. not while black.
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#73 Aug 18 2014 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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The FBI getting involved was the best news possible, because at least they have some people with two brain cells to run together between them.


I think I saw this in a book once as "Many people have no experience working with the FBI and wildly guess as to their institutional competence EG: ":The FBI getting involved was the best news possible, because at least they have some people with two brain cells to run together between them."


If they are actually more incompetent than the Ferguson PD, then it's going to have to set some kind of record.
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If they are actually more incompetent than the Ferguson PD, then it's going to have to set some kind of record.

They could **** up a one car funeral and then lose the drag race it turned into. Here's what will happen when the FBI is involved in this case:

1. They'll take the investigation away from people who have first hand knowledge of the principals and the area.

2. The section chief will use it as a reward for his underlings who will compete to work on it based on career ambition, not any aptitude for the task required.

3. The underling who wins the political battle will be desperately trying to generate an outcome that will make this a career case, regardless of the facts.

4. Probably some sort of civil rights complaint that may or may not be ******** will wind it's way through the courts.

5. Some innocent bystander's life is probably destroyed.

That's usually how it goes. Oh, and obviously, sex workers will see an increase in business in the area as more FBI agents show up.
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So bumrushing the cop doesn't count as being an immediate danger?

While the cop is *in a car*? No, it doesn't count, unless the guy doing the bum-rushing is that rhino guy from Spiderman.

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