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#202 Feb 10 2015 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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I hadn't noticed. But now that you informed me that is all I will hear from now on.

Edited, Feb 10th 2015 10:42am by TirithRR
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#203 Feb 10 2015 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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I got to about 14 seconds before I had to stop listening so I'll just have to take your word on it.
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#204 Feb 10 2015 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Edit - speaking of ethical musicing, apparently Tom Petty gets royalties on Sam Smith's Stay With Me (song of the year) because apparently the music is the same as Won't Back Down.

Good news for Tom Petty's weed supplier.
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#205 Feb 10 2015 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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AV Club had a pretty good two-part article about songs that go way past homage to other songs and just frankly sound like them. I could hear the similarity most of the time, really couldn't on a few. "Stay with Me"/"Won't Back Down" was the gold standard.

What struck me was the obvious: big-hook earworm songs were more likely to be appropriated. The Kinks and Tom Petty were well represented on the stolen-from side, for example, because that's the kind of single they released for radio play.
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#206 Feb 10 2015 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Okay, enough of the false interest in the Grammys. How about some false interest in the whole Brian Williams "scandal" and the collective holier than thou attitude the rest of the media reporters are adopting?
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#207 Feb 10 2015 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Based on 3 minutes of searching, she's only been nominated for best album twice. She did lose both times to white people. Beck has also lost twice to a white person. Haven't checked on other nominations beyond Best Album.

Beck seems like a nice guy. On the other hand he's a Scientologist, so he's either a closeted *** or a crazy person.
Well, in that case, it could also be that those crazy Scientologists have infiltrated the Grammys and are promoting their people. It wouldn't be the most psychotic thing they've done.


Hmm, wonder when /b/ and anonymous are going to charge the gates! Smiley: lol

Haha, dated reference!
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#208 Feb 10 2015 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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It's poorly written a statement.

Pot, meet kettle! Smiley: lol

Irrelevant. Though, if one of my poorly written statements could be perceived as being derogatory and offensive to a race of people, I'd correct it and move on.


The fact that you wrote a poorly written statement to decry what you perceive to be a poorly written statement is quite relevant with regards to the pot meeting the kettle.
Down boy. I didn't 'decry' a poorly written statement.

I merely said that the statement in question was poorly written and could be misunderstood. I'm a horrid writer. I've never claimed otherwise.


Well, your poorly written statement implies a poor reading comprehension, which, to my poor reading comprehension, implies a lack of ability to understand the original poorly written statement.

But I could be wrong, as I am a poorly written stupid monkey. But man do you stink up this forum with your poorly written statements.

At least you give me a reason to come back, you are a very prolific poorly written statement poster.
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#209 Feb 10 2015 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know if I have much of an opinion on Williams. In real terms, if he lied about being in he helicopter (and he says as much), it's more of a silly ego thing than spreading false information such as falsified service records for Bush or doctoring videos to attack ACORN or paint mid-level Dept of Agriculture bureaucrats as racists.

On the other hand, if it blows his credibility then it hurts his employer to keep him at the desk. Credibility is more important for a newscaster/journalist than for most people who tell stupid-ass lies just to make themselves seem more interesting or important.

Edited, Feb 10th 2015 11:41am by Jophiel
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#210 Feb 10 2015 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know if I have much of an opinion on Williams. In real terms, if he lied about being in he helicopter (and he says as much), it's more of a silly ego thing than spreading false information such as falsified service records for Bush or doctoring videos to attack ACORN or paint mid-level Dept of Agriculture bureaucrats as racists.

On the other hand, if it blows his credibility then it hurts his employer to keep him at the desk. Credibility is more important for a newscaster/journalist than for most people who tell stupid-ass lies just to make themselves seem more interesting or important.

Edited, Feb 10th 2015 11:41am by Jophiel

From what I understand he made up stuff about Hezbollah firing missiles at them. I suppose one could make the claim that Williams or even NBC were falsely trying to put a negative spin on Hezbollah.
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#211 Feb 10 2015 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:


At least you give me a reason to come back, you are a very prolific poorly written statement poster.

I'm glad I can do my part, but it's a bit frustrating when everyone simply ignores the message cuz it's more fun to attack the messenger.



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From what I understand he made up stuff about Hezbollah firing missiles at them. I suppose one could make the claim that Williams or even NBC were falsely trying to put a negative spin on Hezbollah.

I'll admit that I'm pretty ignorant of exactly what was claimed. I don't watch much TV news (essentially none) so the Williams thing didn't get much interest from me besides "Well, that was dumb".
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#213 Feb 10 2015 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:


At least you give me a reason to come back, you are a very prolific poorly written statement poster.

I'm glad I can do my part, but it's a bit frustrating when everyone simply ignores the message cuz it's more fun to attack the messenger.


For me, at least, that had nothing to do with it

ETA poorly written message on my part

Edited, Feb 10th 2015 10:51am by stupidmonkey
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#214 Feb 10 2015 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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I don't watch much TV news (essentially none) so the Williams thing didn't get much interest from me besides "Well, that was dumb".
I'm really less interested in the details than I am the scramble almost everyone else is doing to protect what they think is their own credibility.
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#215 Feb 10 2015 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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...it's a bit frustrating when everyone simply ignores the message cuz it's more fun to attack the messenger.
How is gbaji posting from Elinda's account?Smiley: confused


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I'll admit that I'm pretty ignorant of exactly what was claimed. I don't watch much TV news (essentially none) so the Williams thing didn't get much interest from me besides "Well, that was dumb".

I don't know either, but Nexa tells me he was in some sort of convoy when what he claims happened, but to a different helicopter. Then she asked me if that seemed plausible, and I replied that no, in my experience, people don't process PTSD by remembering events in the way that makes them seem the most heroic. Then I told her to make that damn chicken stop squeaking and it turned out she smothered a baby. Good times.
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Jophiel wrote:
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From what I understand he made up stuff about Hezbollah firing missiles at them. I suppose one could make the claim that Williams or even NBC were falsely trying to put a negative spin on Hezbollah.

I'll admit that I'm pretty ignorant of exactly what was claimed. I don't watch much TV news (essentially none) so the Williams thing didn't get much interest from me besides "Well, that was dumb".


Dumb, yes. Probably the result of re-telling a story over and over and it gradually changing over time. And yeah, a bit of "exaggerate my own personal part of it to make my story more compelling". Not shocking by itself, but it's interesting to watch the process over time. Basically, in the early versions he was very clear to state that he didn't come under fire, but that helicopters ahead of his did. Later versions played a version of the pronoun game: "*I* was in a group of helicopters and *we* came under fire, two of the helicopters were hit with RPG and AK fire, and *we* were forced to land" (I'm paraphrasing here just to illustrate the point, not actually quoting him). All technically true, but vague enough not to preclude the possibility that he personally was fired at. The most recent bit was where he just kinda lost track of the facts and actually said that his helicopter came under fire. Ooops.


While the directly false claim is just wrong on its face, for me it highlighted a more troublesome trend in journalism. I almost get the sense that journalists are so afraid of making a false claim that they tend towards specifically vague statements that could mean a broad number of things, and thus can't directly be called false. They then imply the facts rather than stating them clearly. The problem with this is that you can easily make the public accept a false claim without ever actually saying it directly (which I suspect is where he went wrong because he failed to see the line he crossed until he crossed it). Also, it leads to a strange situation where the media deliberately avoids presenting direct clear statements of fact to the audience, and the audience accepts this and adopts a method of interpreting the vaguely worded media reports as "fact".

Thus, despite him giving the vague version, which was technically true, but strongly implied to anyone hearing the story that he came under attack for many years, no one bothered to say "hey. Maybe you should be more clear that it wasn't your helicopter that was fired at". We basically accepted the implication either because we didn't research it to realize the implication was wrong *or* because if we did we accepted that the vague statement didn't directly make a false claim. Which, over time, probably contributed to him embellishing it further until he finally just made a direct false claim.


Yeah. TL:DR, whatever. I find this kind of process interesting is all.
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I'll admit upfront I know little of the Williams story beyond a few internet mentions, but going on what I've read here:

Let's say Grampa Bob was with Task force 17, which came under massive Japanese air attack at some point. Let us further say that the Japanese planes were targeting the carriers and Grampa Bob was on a fleet oiler.

If Grampa Bob is asked later if he was "attacked by Japanese planes" and his answer is "yes" I'd have no problem saying that he is correct.


That said, the few times I've ever watched Williams made me think he had the personality of an eggplant and wonder who gave him that job at all.
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I'll admit upfront I know little of the Williams story beyond a few internet mentions, but going on what I've read here:

Let's say Grampa Bob was with Task force 17, which came under massive Japanese air attack at some point. Let us further say that the Japanese planes were targeting the carriers and Grampa Bob was on a fleet oiler.

If Grampa Bob is asked later if he was "attacked by Japanese planes" and his answer is "yes" I'd have no problem saying that he is correct.
As I understand it, I think Williams was on a helicopter that came through an hour after the attack.
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The problem with this is that you can easily make the public accept a false claim without ever actually saying it directly
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While the United States Supreme Court has ruled that the desecration of the flag is protected free speech,
They weren't making a statement, they were throwing random shit out a window. Calling the FBI (hell, even cops) is a definite overreaction, but trying to imply what the kids were doing was exercising their freedom of expression is equally ridiculous.

Edited, Feb 11th 2015 10:35am by lolgaxe
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While the United States Supreme Court has ruled that the desecration of the flag is protected free speech,
They weren't making a statement, they were throwing random shit out a window. Calling the FBI (****, even cops) is a definite overreaction, but trying to imply what the kids were doing was exercising their freedom of expression is equally ridiculous.
If they had said "The kid got suspended", I wouldn't have even batted an eye. The FBI thing was what made it a story to me.
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