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#1327 Jun 26 2015 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Listen, you probably didn't get the memo, but all GOP policy positions are implicitly followed by "for other people". Wrestling coaches grabbing their students junk is wrong..."for other people". Trying to hook up some hot man on man mouthbanging in an airport shitter is wrong..."for other people". Living on state assistance is wrong..."for other people". You get the idea.

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#1329 Jun 27 2015 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just waiting for the mystery GOP health care plan that they were going to release after the SCOTUS ruling.
#1330 Jun 27 2015 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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BAM!! SSM is good.


What Joph said... is the best thing ever.
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#1331 Jun 27 2015 at 10:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Someone pointed out that if you wanted to, a couple of dashing homosexuals could tie the knot on the very steps of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I'm not advocating it, because if you're going to get married you should take it more seriously than a morning radio show stunt, but it's an amusing fancy.
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#1332 Jun 27 2015 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, you'd have to move fast. They'd have a legitimate trespassing claim if you were just hanging out on their property and refused to move along when asked.
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#1333 Jun 28 2015 at 5:15 AM Rating: Default
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First, I would like to take credit for coining "SSM". Second, while this is social progress, it is a little exaggerated with 36 states and DC already legalizing it. To be fair, some of those remaining states were probably never going to change and apparently counties within states that legalize it could "opt out". The irony is, while people are "fighting for equality", this ruling gets all of the attention but the Fair Housing Act gets none. No one is changing their Facebook picture rejoicing or even know that exists.

While this is huge progression for the LGBT community, mark my words, this is the peak. No one would have ever thought that in 2015 that there would be "Black Lives Matter" marches over the same stuff from 50 years ago. While there are people actually fighting for respect, many are fighting for social acceptance (for any progressive movement). This makes it much more difficult to discuss the legitimate issues when you are in a "post discrimination era". The "oppressing demographics" will reluctantly take criticism while there is blatant discrimination, but that will fade in the "post discrimination era". They will get fed up of being labeled as the bad guy and then try to flip the script and call you the 'xxx-ist", xxx-baiter, xxx-huslter as part of the "grievance industry" as Bill O'reilly puts it.

The solution is to focus on fighting for respect and not social acceptance and we've already failed at that by asking candidates if they would attend a same s3x wedding.
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First, I would like to take credit for coining "SSM".

Looks like it was me in November 2008. If we need to thank anyone though, we should thank the ZAM/Google filter.

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Second, while this is social progress, it is a little exaggerated with 36 states and DC already legalizing it.

Most of those states only had it legal due to the circuit court decisions that the conservatives were hoping to strike down with Obergefell v. Hodges. Eleven states had it legalized by legislative statute or referendum. Most of the rest had it legalized federal court decisions that would have been overturned had the ScotUS ruled that there was no protection. Four or five had it legalized via state court decisions that might have held (i.e. even if the US Constitution doesn't provide, the Iowa state constitution may).

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While this is huge progression for the LGBT community, mark my words, this is the peak.

I'm not sure what you mean by "peak". That this is as good as it gets for the LGBT community? Or that this is the pivotal moment where they have most of the cake and are just cleaning up the rest? SSM advocacy groups are going to shift to promoting equality and protection in housing, employment and other like causes. The goal will be to have gender preference be a federally protected class like race, sex, religion, etc. That might be as un-fun a road for conservatives as the SSM fight was if the kerfluffle in Indiana over their "religious freedom" law is any indication.

Edited, Jun 28th 2015 8:15am by Jophiel
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#1335 Jun 28 2015 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:

Looks like it was me in November 2008. If we need to thank anyone though, we should thank the ZAM/Google filter.
My bad. I could have sworn it was me, must have missed your reference.

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Most of those states only had it legal due to the circuit court decisions that the conservatives were hoping to strike down with Obergefell v. Hodges. Eleven states had it legalized by legislative statute or referendum. Most of the rest had it legalized federal court decisions that would have been overturned had the ScotUS ruled that there was no protection. Four or five had it legalized via state court decisions that might have held (i.e. even if the US Constitution doesn't provide, the Iowa state constitution may).
I should have clarified my position. This includes the opposition exaggerating the effect of legalizing SSM given that many states have already legalized it. In the words of Biden, it is "a big f'ng deal", but it's not like the US went cold turkey over night. There has been an ongoing transition.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "peak". That this is as good as it gets for the LGBT community? Or that this is the pivotal moment where they have most of the cake and are just cleaning up the rest? SSM advocacy groups are going to shift to promoting equality and protection in housing, employment and other like causes. The goal will be to have gender preference be a federally protected class like race, sex, religion, etc. That might be as un-fun a road for conservatives as the SSM fight was if the kerfluffle in Indiana over their "religious freedom" law is any indication.
I mean what I said in the rest of the paragraph. If advocacy groups focus on respect, i.e, housing and employment, then this is a major pivotal point for the good. However, if we do what we have historically done with every other civil rights group and fight for social acceptance, we will just end up in a circle where legitimate concerns (housing and employment) are saturated with illegitimate concerns. As a result, all concerns are dismissed because we are living in a "post discrimination era". Just like how it's women's fault for being paid less and blacks fault for living in poverty, it will be the LGBT community's fault for whatever legitimate concern they have if society is inundated with nonsensical bias. Since we've already started the "Would you go to a g@y wedding" as a political question for 2016, I don't have faith that we will focus on the legitimate concerns.
#1336 Jun 29 2015 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently there's a sequel to National Lampoon's Vacation.
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#1337 Jun 29 2015 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Less sexy but still noteworthy SCOTUS opinions before they all hit the beach for the summer:

Smiley: schooled Upheld Arizona's independent redistricting board, a blow to Republicans hoping to put the GOP legislature back in charge and redraw the lines to pick up a few more seats.

Smiley: schooled Shot down stringent emissions regulations from the Obama administration to power plants. The EPA failed to undertake a sufficient cost-benefit analysis prior to imposing the regulations in violation of the Clean Air Act. [Edit: Technically, the case was remanded back down to the DC courts where they can order the EPA to conduct the studies or other actions.]

Smiley: schooled States can not require proof of US citizenship when people register to vote in federal elections. Note that the federal form requires attesting to your citizenship under penalty of perjury, the lawsuit was about the state requiring additional proof on top of that. States can still set requirements for voting in state elections.

Smiley: schooled Upheld the use of a lethal injection drug being challenged on the grounds of being cruel and unusual.

Edited, Jun 29th 2015 12:33pm by Jophiel
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#1338 Jun 29 2015 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was just reading about lethal injection. If I were on death row and had the option, I'd ask for the alternative.

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#1339 Jun 29 2015 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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Solar power electric chairs. That should shut the hippies up.
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#1340 Jun 29 2015 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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#1341 Jun 29 2015 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was just reading about lethal injection. If I were on death row and had the option, I'd ask for the alternative.

Non-lethal injection?

"Just fill'er up with lemonade, Warden..."
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#1342 Jun 29 2015 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I was just reading about lethal injection. If I were on death row and had the option, I'd ask for the alternative.

Non-lethal injection?

"Just fill'er up with lemonade, Warden..."


Would a "lethal suppository" count as an injection?
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Guillotine, resharpen as needed.
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Apparently there's a sequel to National Lampoon's Vacation.


Cool, here's a link about it. Looks funny
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#1345 Jun 29 2015 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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That was #3 actually.
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#1346 Jun 29 2015 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Would a "lethal suppository" count as an injection?
Depends who you get for a cellmate.
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Looks funny.
More along the lines of a direct sequel.

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#1347 Jun 30 2015 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Sure. But the question is whether the value of each individual employees labor increased,

Nope, it's not.


Yes, it is. He argued that every single employee should get a raise. He supported that with the assumption that if the total value of the company increased, that meant that the value of each individual employees labor had increased, and thus they should get a raise commensurate to that total value increase.

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I didn't bother with the rest of your response, for reasons that I think I made fairly clear when I asked you not to respond.


Maybe if you bothered to read, you'd not make such basic mistakes?
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#1348 Jun 30 2015 at 6:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, you fucktard. I argued that AS A GROUP they increased the value of the company and that AS A GROUP they should be paid more.

Keep putting words in my mouth, you little weasel.
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#1349 Jul 01 2015 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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He's just proving the flaw in the whole "value based pay" argument he's been parroting. The owners can come up with an infinite number of excuses to devalue the work force's contributions to a company's increase in value. And if they don't like it, they can just go to the mine down the street who will just so happen to offer a fair wage.

Anyway, we're up to 13 GOP candidates. Who was it that was saying Chris Christie wasn't going to run? You've got some "told you so"s to eat. Too bad he rapidly became a shmuck, I actually liked him at first.

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#1350 Jul 01 2015 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a little depressing how often "refreshing honesty" eventually reveals itself as "boorish narcissism".
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#1351 Jul 01 2015 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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His slogan is "Telling it like it is", but he couldn't give a straight answer on whether or not he is running for president. That is clear indicator that he is as just as deceptive as any other politician on topics that informed voters care about. If it came down to Christie and a "not HRC" Democrat, I would probably vote for him.
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