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#1 Feb 04 2015 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Following the release of a video showing the torching of a Jordanian pilot by ISIS (or the Daesh?) King Abdullah ordered that two ISIS prisoners be hanged. So, they were.

Will this deter the capture of future Jordanians, or is it simply 'pay-back'?



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#2 Feb 04 2015 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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Will this deter the capture of future Jordanians,
Not bloody likely.
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Will this deter the capture of future Jordanians,

Of course. As everyone knows "all these people understand is violence," so now they will just pick softer targets, being careful to free Jordanian fighters and providing them safe conduct to the border. You know, just how Israel's hard line with Hezbollah has resulted in that situation being all sunshine, rainbows and puppy dogs. Missiles. Also the occasional missile. Oy, ven you make an omlet?
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I just never took Kind Abdullah as being a vindictive kind of guy. He's always seemed like one of the more 'softer' ME rulers.

Maybe that's just his guise though.

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I just never took Kind Abdullah as being a vindictive kind of guy. He's always seemed like one of the more 'softer' ME rulers.

hahha. Holy ****, you don't know Abdullah. It might be because they execute people who are critical of him in Jordan, so he enjoys pretty good PR. Also, his wife is good at feeding starving children in front of cameras before having them beaten for looking at her later.

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#6 Feb 04 2015 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Well, generally a hanging is more humane than a burning.
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#7 Feb 04 2015 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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It is.

Also the two hanged peeps were known terrorists. The burned guy was just a pilot.
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Also, his wife is good at feeding starving children in front of cameras before having them beaten for looking at her later.

Also, hot.
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#9 Feb 04 2015 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
It is.

Also the two hanged peeps were known terrorists. The burned guy was just a pilot.


"Just a pilot"

You mean someone who rained fire from the sky in a technological terror?

Perspective.

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Elinda wrote:
It is.

Also the two hanged peeps were known terrorists. The burned guy was just a pilot.


"Just a pilot"

You mean someone who rained fire from the sky in a technological terror?

Perspective.


I know. ... and the 'terrorists' are martyrs.

I was thinking the same thing, or at least a similar thing, as i was writing it. Images of burning humans brings out the worse in me (I didn't see a picture of the hanging people).

Hey here's a question: In the article I was reading about the burning pilot they shared a bunch of responses from many Jordanians. They were saying stuff like "ISIS needs to be destroyed". Wouldn't total ISIS destruction be genocide?






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Images of burning humans makes me want to break out my Richard Pryor albums.
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Also, hot

True, she is a hot piece of *** as queens of sadistic iron fist ruling regimes go. Oh wait, Nexa keeps trying to get me to use more politically correct language. "A *person* who is a hot piece of ***".
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Hey here's a question: In the article I was reading about the burning pilot they shared a bunch of responses from many Jordanians. They were saying stuff like "ISIS needs to be destroyed". Wouldn't total ISIS destruction be genocide?

That word only ever applies to losers of wars. Surely you learned that in school. When victors do it, you record that the slaughtered demographic welcomed them as heroes. Probably have a turkey to celebrate or something. I'm just spit balling here.

You mean someone who rained fire from the sky in a technological terror?

Don't be silly, the height of bravery and warrior spirit is killing a faceless enemy from miles away.
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That word only ever applies to losers of wars.


Or to populations that were totally annihilated, if you're a member of a certain subset of the GOP.

In other news, I had no idea that the Jewish population of Europe is now zero.
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They've finally all retired to Florida.
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Elinda wrote:
It is.

Also the two hanged peeps were known terrorists. The burned guy was just a pilot.


"Just a pilot"

You mean someone who rained fire from the sky in a technological terror?

Perspective.


I know. ... and the 'terrorists' are martyrs.

I was thinking the same thing, or at least a similar thing, as i was writing it. Images of burning humans brings out the worse in me (I didn't see a picture of the hanging people).

Hey here's a question: In the article I was reading about the burning pilot they shared a bunch of responses from many Jordanians. They were saying stuff like "ISIS needs to be destroyed". Wouldn't total ISIS destruction be genocide?


Edited, Feb 4th 2015 7:51pm by Elinda


From my sources, they chose burning for the pilot because one of their guy's brother(not sure if they meant blood related or "brother") was burned alive in an airstrike. It's fairly irrelevant though, still gotta shell em into compliance for a diplomatic solution.
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Will this deter the capture of future Jordanians,

Of course. As everyone knows "all these people understand is violence," so now they will just pick softer targets, being careful to free Jordanian fighters and providing them safe conduct to the border. You know, just how Israel's hard line with Hezbollah has resulted in that situation being all sunshine, rainbows and puppy dogs. Missiles. Also the occasional missile. Oy, ven you make an omlet?


Yeah. Cause not using violence of any kind against people who do things you don't like has such an amazingly good track record of success. Lol!

I get that this is a hard concept for the PC obsessed to grasp, but in the history of the world, the one thing that has by far the most proven rate of ending violence has been... wait for it... opposing violence. Escalating violence even. And no, it's not because "that's all those people understand", complete with some kind of implication that anyone who adopts the "opposing violence" position is somehow bigoted because of it, but because, by and large, while it's not the only thing people understand, it is the one thing all people understand. There's a pretty long list of wars that only ended when one side was sufficiently defeated militarily that they had no choice but to surrender, yet, only the most simple minded would suggest that this was because "that's all those people understand". What a ridiculous cop out.
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I get that this is a hard concept for the PC obsessed to grasp, but in the history of the world, the one thing that has by far the most proven rate of ending violence has been... wait for it... opposing violence.

Wow, what a wonderful little bit of conservative bumper-sticker thinking Smiley: laugh

A hammer is an essential tool for home remodeling so obviously the best way to remodel a home is to run around the place, swinging a hammer around wildly. Shit, hold a hammer in each hand and flail them about for double the remodeling!
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Shit, hold a hammer in each hand and flail them about for double the remodeling!

This is how crafting in most games works.


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#21 Feb 05 2015 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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So who exactly is the "PC obsessed" that he's referring to? I mean besides the generic boogeyman he resorts to when he really wants to make a point but there's no real example to make it off.
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Everyone who can't condense their philosophies down to one pithy phrase or less, I imagine.
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Murderer. Not that that's anything new.

ISIS burns a pilot alive. Jordan's response is to execute two ISIS prisoners.

I'm all for killing evil people with guns to protect others that don't have guns. This eye for an eye crap is stupid. They're just feeding ISIS.

To Jordanian's their pilot is an important person and this is a tragedy. To ISIS Jordan just martyred 2 of their solders and sent them to heaven as a reward for their service, service which has come to an end because they are captured combatants and as such are useless to their cause. Jordan just did ISIS a favour..

You're not defending anyone by killing unarmed prisoners, that's called murder. Isn't there some Geneva convention thingy that says you can't kill captured enemy combatants? Or does that not apply because ISIS isn't actually a nation state and as such can't really have a "war" in the traditional sense.
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There's a pretty long list of wars that only ended when one side was sufficiently defeated militarily

The British occupation of India? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Or did you mean the way we left Iraq? I'm confused.

One of us has studied military history and one of us has no fucking clue what he's talking about. If force alone was enough to solve problems, the world would be a utopia. That people are still stupid enough to think so is sort of amazing. I guess it's all some people are capable of understanding.
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I just never took Kind Abdullah as being a vindictive kind of guy. He's always seemed like one of the more 'softer' ME rulers.

hahha. Holy ****, you don't know Abdullah.

Hey, we don't all go out for cocktails with royalty like you do.
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I get that this is a hard concept for the PC obsessed to grasp, but in the history of the world, the one thing that has by far the most proven rate of ending violence has been... wait for it... opposing violence.

Wow, what a wonderful little bit of conservative bumper-sticker thinking Smiley: laugh


It also happens to be correct.

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A hammer is an essential tool for home remodeling so obviously the best way to remodel a home is to run around the place, swinging a hammer around wildly. Shit, hold a hammer in each hand and flail them about for double the remodeling!


Um... Except I was the one responding to a post claiming the equivalent of "hammers are useless for home remodeling". I am not in any way saying that any single specific violent response is always the right one, but that some form of violent response often is the correct one, and that it's moronically stupid to simply reject a response purely because it contains violence. Say "this particular response is a poor choice in this situation" if you want. But just declaring a violent response wrong because violent response didn't work in some other situation is just what I said it was: A cop out.

By Smash's logic, no pitcher should ever throw a fast ball because there's a greater than zero number of home runs that have been hit off fast balls. Dumb, right? But if you fail to actually compare the choice at hand with other choices and make a decision, but instead just single out the choice you don't like and point out past failures of said choice, you aren't making a good analysis, you're just spouting BS. And not even very good BS at that.

Edited, Feb 5th 2015 3:22pm by gbaji
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