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#77 Jun 26 2015 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, does anybody honor the Germanic tribes who fought off the barbarians, so that their descendants could emigrate to America 1000 years later? (Or ditto for whatever European ethnicity you descend from.) Nobody honors Blorg who bravely took a woolly mammoth tusk to the gut so that his family could survive. I know the "honoring confederate soldiers" line is actually just cover and is bullsh** in the first place, but as time progresses it become increasingly bullsh**. They get more fake remembrance in the South than WW1 soldiers do.

To be fair, if you leave out the part about wanting to own other people so you could force them to work for you and beat and rape them, it's a pretty romantic story. Picket's charge and all that. The South's story in the Civil war, especially Lee's is one of amazing military talent almost triumphing over impossible odds for a fairly long time. The Union's story is primarily Grant saying ********** this, send more men, our casualties are irrelevant".
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To be fair, if you leave out the part about wanting to own other people so you could force them to work for you and beat and rape them, it's a pretty romantic story.

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#79 Jun 26 2015 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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You also need to leave out the "We'd have won if only the North sold us more ammo" part.
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#80 Jun 26 2015 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I like Shelby Foote's take on the odds of North vs. South: the North fought with one hand tied behind its back. Never really needed to impress troops, no one with any means really *had* to fight. Had things really gone worse, the North had comparatively limitless resources.

The thing that always bugged me, maybe because Vietnam was still a recent memory when I was first learning about the Civil War, is how much more effective guerrilla warfare would have been for the South. Forget standing in lines and shooting at each other, that's never gonna work when you're that heavily outnumbered.

Anyway, neither here nor there.
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How long will it be until it's totally fine to NOT "honor and respect" the brave soldiers who fought in the confederacy?

Supposedly, it stems from Lincoln's policy after the war that we should re-welcome our brothers and all that. So there was an usual level of acceptance for the South honoring their soldiers and their cause. I guess I'm not really qualified to say for sure, but I can't think of any other nation where past civil unrest and rebellion are romanticized the same way.
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#82 Jun 26 2015 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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The thing that always bugged me, maybe because Vietnam was still a recent memory when I was first learning about the Civil War, is how much more effective guerrilla warfare would have been for the South. Forget standing in lines and shooting at each other, that's never gonna work when you're that heavily outnumbered.

To be fair, the South did a fair bit of this (Mosby, etc). The problem is, this is an effective strategy in demoralizing an invasion force, or removing an occupation, it's wildly less effective in stopping Sherman and 60,000 troops from ******* your crops up and burning your house down. Once it became clear that Lincoln had found the right guy in Grant, who was seemingly completely fine with just obliterating half of the nation in order to win, there wasn't much the Confederacy could do, regardless of tactics.
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No, you're right. It would only have prolonged the inevitable, if that (no opposing army means Sherman hits Atlanta that much sooner). I just got frustrated at the outdated tactics.

For the same reason I have always had a hard time reading about WWI.
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For the same reason I have always had a hard time reading about WWI.


It really was a pretty boring war, honestly. On the other hand it probably lead to giant revolutions in art and philosophy. All for the relatively cheap cost of the meaningless deaths of a few million.

Have you read Seveneves? I gave up on it halfway through. So disappointingly dumbed down.
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I haven't read that. I'll see about borrowing it on Kindle for a couple of weeks, see if I can slog through it. I find that borrowing books makes me actually read them, since I'm a procrastinator by nature and a deadline helps me focus.
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The Western front isn't exactly dynamic, but plenty of interesting stuff is going on elsewhere. Vorbeck's guerilla campaign in East Africa is pretty interesting reading, and phenomenally successful given his situation. Killed millions and devastated the region, of course, but I'm sure it's fine now.

Also filed under 'those crazy Germans', Germany successfully weaponises a short bald man to take out an entire country, proving that Lenin is more damaging than a nuke against the forces of regressive imperialism.

And people laugh when a spearman takes down a tank in Civ.
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#87 Jun 26 2015 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that ****'s just funny.

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"Where does it end?" doesn't really resonate when it's private companies acting in their own best public relations interest. It "ends" when Google decides that its image is safe and secure and it's staying profitable.

Edit: Also, that article is about Apple, not Google but the point remains the same. It also says that Apple is reinstating apps that are educational, historical and other like uses. So I'm not ready to start the hand-wringing just yet.

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I am genuinely annoyed with this line of argument. Apple could be cutting its users by balls for a small fee and I am sure there would be people queuing around the block to get the newest shiny iballs. They would be profitable regardless. And its another reason the little episode with Tay Tay Swizzle was a surprise to me.

Still, the fact that they are private companies is not an excuse to me; not when half of the population does not know how to install anything outside the control of their walled gardens.

My point is really simple, they should not have been banned to begin with. The fact that they started to reinstate those is barely a consolation prize.
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Well have fun being mad over nothing, I guess.
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#90 Jun 26 2015 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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They didn't selectively distribute them, and they went ahead and reversed their decision. I couldn't meh harder.
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No one cares, everyone (who would care) knows it's the battle flag, yadda yadda. People call it the Confederate flag because it's just easier.

Also, I called it the "Stars & Bars" in the title despite that actually being the nickname for the CSA flag with the three large stripes. I have been sort of surprised that no one called me on it earlier and decided not to rock the boat by preemptively acknowledging my error.
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#93 Jun 27 2015 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Well have fun being mad over nothing, I guess.


I can't get too worked up as other annoying stuff was happening this week on national stage. Locally, next week we will have regular showdown between Rauner and Madigan. Now that will be fun to watch.
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#94 Jun 28 2015 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Seem like half of politics is being angry about nothing. The other half is people who haven't yet realized that no one cares what they think.
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#95 Jun 29 2015 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Some of it is making people angry or scared.
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The Ku Klux Klan will hold a rally at the S.C. State House next month to protest efforts to remove the Confederate flag from the Capitol grounds.

Any group can request to hold a rally at the State House as long as its grounds are available, said Brian Gaines, a spokesman for the S.C. Budget and Control Board.

The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan requested the rally from 3 to 5 p.m. on July 18, Gaines said. The Klan is expecting 100 to 200 to attend, according to a copy of its state event form.

Huh. I thought that white supremacists only liked Nazi flags and skulls.
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#97 Jun 30 2015 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I'm glad that the klan is doing their part to get the flag removed.
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I thought that white supremacists only liked Nazi flags and skulls.
Figures the liberal believe that racists are all the same.
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I'll admit, KKK members all look the same to me.
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#100 Jun 30 2015 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Definitely a problem with an organization who enjoys theatrics but not costume designers.
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The other aspects of the Confederacy tie back to slavery. State's rights? Slavery. Economic issues? Slavery. Government intrusion? Slavery.


Slavery was the issue of the day, so yeah. If it had been about whether people should wear purple or green hats, then you'd be arguing that the battle flag represented the evils of wearing a particular color hat. Sometimes, you have to step back and realize that the specific issue at hand isn't the whole picture.

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The articles of succession for the various states often state in explicit terms that they hold the black man to be an inferior species.


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I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.


I'll grant you that, I suppose. Again though, it's just the specific social issue they were dealing with at the time. And at the risk of cross thread shenanigans, it's similar to the SSM issue in that in the course of fighting for a given "side" on said social issue, you can sometimes tread on important freedoms that are lost along the way. In the case of the Civil War, that was the turning point where federal power trumped state power (a trend which continues to this day). In the case of SSM, it's a radical change of the definitions of liberty and rights themselves. Those things last long after the issues which cause them fade away. I think it's important to recognize that at some level.


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This whole "Well, it wasn't really about slavery" nonsense is revisionist bullshit by a bunch of people who want to paint over the horror of their ancestors with some mythical Camelot story of antebellum nobility and honor against a terrible foe. It was about slavery. Get over it.


Again. It was about the balance of federal vs state power. The issue at hand was slavery. It really is important to see a distinction between those.
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