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#277 Oct 16 2015 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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No one is trying to deny that Southern Democrats were not Racists. Before the passage of the CRA, no good old boy in the Confederate states would think of joining the Party of Lincoln. The Civil Rights Act, force busing and fear of violence, were all used by the GOP to bring conservative voters into their fold. By the time Nixon ran against Humphrey, the middle of country was beginning to feel ignored.


Again though, the GOP had been winning ground in the south well before the passage of the CRA. While the Dems were still running on "segregation today, segregation forever" the GOP was gaining districts and electoral votes in the south, running on an economic prosperity platform. GOP gains in the south had *nothing* to do with race. If anything, people flocked to the GOP because they weren't the party of racism and they wanted to distance themselves from those who were (ie: the Democrats). You don't honestly think that everyone just magically forgot what the Dem politicians were doing and saying just a year before the CRA was passed? And you can't possibly think that passage of that act just magically caused all the Dem politicians to abandon their positions?

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Then you only have history that you find that supports your version of history. I actually lived through all of this and the images of police dogs being unleashed on Civil Right protesters is etched in my memory. I had to live during all of this and due to a very visual memory I haven't forgotten how ugly those years were.


Yes. Police dogs released by police appointed by Democratic politicians, in Democratically controlled cities, in Democratically controlled states. It was only the gradual shift of power from the Dems to the GOP that trickled down (yeah, I'll use the phrase here, sue me!) to the city level and the abuses and refusals to comply with the CRA finally stopped. You do remember that the greatest violence occurred *after* the CRA was passed, right? The rioting in 1968? You do remember that, right?

That was the last gasp of the old guard Democrats trying to cling to their racist policies in the face of a new paradigm. It was absolutely not newly elected Republicans appointing racists to positions of power and suddenly enacting new racist policies that people needed to riot against. It took nearly a decade for the effects of the CRA to ripple through the south. And one of those effects was the shift of power from the Dems to the GOP. Not because the GOP adopted racism, but because they were the party that wasn't racist. If you wanted to get rid of the corrupt racist police and DAs, and whatnot, you had to elect Republicans to office.

To the degree that racial politics had anything to do wit it. that's why the GOP gained ground in the south. The southerners were sick of the racists running things and picked a different party. The idea that the racists shifted to the GOP is just plain ridiculous.
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#278 Oct 17 2015 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes. Who was a Democrat prior to that, and was a Democrat after that.

And who wasn't a Democrat during the election that actually mattered since it plainly showed where the interests of the voters lay.
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And again, you are arguing the exception and not the rule.

Every election after the signing of the CRA is the "Exception"? Well... ummm... whatever you need to tell yourself?

Look, it's great that you looked up some NRO blogs and stuff but maybe you need to read something besides Republicans trying to console themselves that they're not really racists and it's all the mean ole Democrats spreading lies about them. You know, maybe take some ownership for the past fifty years? Just a thought. I'm sure that "blame Democrats" is easier though.
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#279 Oct 17 2015 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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So, if not then, when *did* the GOP become the party of racism?
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#281 Oct 19 2015 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
You know, maybe take some ownership for the past fifty years?
Personal responsibility is for other people to take.
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Of course, all of this leads to the obvious question: So why do minorities so disproportionately vote Democratic? Which gives interesting answers ranging from "Democrats have tricked 90% of blacks for fifty years" to Romney's "Minorities all want to vote for Santa Claus and get free stuff" reasoning.

Hey, wait, I think I discovered part of the reason why they vote disproportionately Democratic!
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#283 Oct 19 2015 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Of course, all of this leads to the obvious question: So why do minorities so disproportionately vote Democratic? Which gives interesting answers ranging from "Democrats have tricked 90% of blacks for fifty years" to Romney's "Minorities all want to vote for Santa Claus and get free stuff" reasoning.

Hey, wait, I think I discovered part of the reason why they vote disproportionately Democratic!
I'm busy crafting a joke about the GOP and dancing lessons, but it needs work before I can post it.Smiley: frown
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#284 Oct 20 2015 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looking probable that Ryan will be the next Speaker. He's gone from "No" to "Ehhh... no" to "Maybe" to saying he'll run but he won't negotiate to do it to now saying he's placing conditions on the conservative House "Freedom Caucus".
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#285 Oct 20 2015 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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More amusing is Trump vs Bush on Twitter over George and 9/11.
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I do like how the "Bush kept us safe!" mantra always conveniently begins on September 12, 2001.
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#287 Oct 20 2015 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like Carly "Crazy Eyes" Fiorina is losing support. Live by the crazy, die by the crazy.
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Jim Webb is dropping out of the race. Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley are presumably scrambling to lock in the 0.5% of the vote Webb was commanding.
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#289 Oct 20 2015 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Of course, all of this leads to the obvious question: So why do minorities so disproportionately vote Democratic? Which gives interesting answers ranging from "Democrats have tricked 90% of blacks for fifty years" to Romney's "Minorities all want to vote for Santa Claus and get free stuff" reasoning.

Hey, wait, I think I discovered part of the reason why they vote disproportionately Democratic!
I'm busy crafting a joke about the GOP and dancing lessons, but it needs work before I can post it.Smiley: frown


Wanna dig out MCRove?
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#290 Oct 20 2015 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Jim Webb is dropping out of the race.
Was he the one with the "I eat babies" smile?
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#291 Oct 20 2015 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Jim Webb is dropping out of the race.
Was he the one with the "I eat babies" smile?


Can you narrow that down a little?
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#292 Oct 20 2015 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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If it is who I think it is, he's the one that answered the "do you have any enemies" question with a "probably the guy I brutally killed" answer.
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#293 Oct 20 2015 at 2:10 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
I do like how the "Bush kept us safe!" mantra always conveniently begins on September 12, 2001.
How convenient. Even more convenient how Benghazi was bad for President Obama in his 2012 re-election because it happened under his watch.

Didn't the GOP blame Super Storm Sandy on President Obama?!Smiley: lol
#294 Oct 20 2015 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was going to be his Katrina, they said, all excited about impending disaster hitting someone else so they could score points.

The overlap between politicians and sociopaths must be close to a circle.
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Biden, unsurprisingly, will not run for president. A month ago, I would have been happy to see him enter the race but I (or he, it seems) can't really see a plausible path for him this late in and with Clinton on the rebound.

Also, Sanders was apparently right when he said that Americans were sick of hearing about Clinton's emails:
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A new Monmouth poll finds that 52% of the American public feels that Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account during her time as Secretary of State was mainly a matter of convenience compared to 33% who say this behavior suggests she has something to hide.

In addition, 59% of the public are tired of hearing about this issue while just 32% say the media should continue to cover it.


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#296 Oct 21 2015 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Feel the same about 9/11, but **** me if it isn't used in one form or another.
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#297 Oct 21 2015 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Feel the same about 9/11, but **** me if it isn't used in one form or another.



I know, right? 9/11, emails, Benghazi, cocaine abuse, attacking rabbit, Alzheimer's... man, we just get hold of one little flaw and worry it to death.
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#298 Oct 21 2015 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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In other news, I wonder what concessions Uncle Joe got from the viable candidates in return for not entering the race. It'll be interesting to see if he graciously accepts a cabinet post should the Ds win the election.
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#299 Oct 21 2015 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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He gets to keep the cot in the Oval Office where he spends most of his time napping.
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#300 Oct 21 2015 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Aw, that'll be nice. Maybe Jill will let him put it in his man cave.
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Feel the same about 9/11, but **** me if it isn't used in one form or another.

Perhaps you're unaware that 9/11 changed everything.
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