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#352 Oct 30 2015 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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It doesn't matter how it actually works. What's important is to manufacture outrage over it any way you can.
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#353 Oct 30 2015 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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And that speaks to the problem I have with all of this: information gathered in the immediate wake of a crisis is going to be incomplete and sometimes contradictory. That's not conspiracy, that's life.

Information gathered in the wake of an attack on a semi-covert CIA facility on the other side of the planet is going to be even more incomplete but, hey, people had the facts wrong on Day One so obviously LIES & COVERUPS!!!!
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#354 Oct 30 2015 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
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She could have babbled incoherently and drooled over herself for 11 hours, and your sources would have said she nailed it and was presidential, and whatever other superlatives they need to say to keep the lie going.


I like how nobody had more negative press than HRC for MONTHS and then all of the sudden it's "Media Bias!!" when she has one good week.
#355 Oct 30 2015 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, Gbaji is nothing if not consistent.
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#356 Oct 30 2015 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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She could have babbled incoherently and drooled over herself for 11 hours, and your sources would have said she nailed it and was presidential, and whatever other superlatives they need to say to keep the lie going.


I like how nobody had more negative press than HRC for MONTHS and then all of the sudden it's "Media Bias!!" when she has one good week.


Same reason the GOP candidates cried "media bias" and "gotcha question" when they were asked about issues they didn't want to/weren't prepared to discuss during the last debate.
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When your policy is based on nothing but what sounds nice, every question is a gotcha question.
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#358 Oct 30 2015 at 3:32 PM Rating: Default
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Same reason the GOP candidates cried "media bias" and "gotcha question" when they were asked about issues they didn't want to/weren't prepared to discuss during the last debate.
Similarly, they complain about "Fantasy football" questions, but avoid answering actual real questions.
#359 Nov 02 2015 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone wants politicians to be honest, but no one would vote for an honest politician.
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Everyone wants politicians to be honest, but no one would vote for an honest politician.
This. I've been stating this (to myself) that everyone pretends that they want a real candidate, until that candidate doesn't politically align with them on a singular issue. We basically force candidates to take particular positions to maintain a competitive career then deride them for selecting positions based on expediency.
#361 Nov 04 2015 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's all about public speaking. Honesty is a nice thing to have in your back pocket, but that **** doesn't get things done. That's not to say the **** that does get done is particularly good. Speaking of not getting things done and not having joked about this yet, apparently Jeb dropping to fifth place drawing 8% at the polls has decided to change their target demographic from the part of the population that can legally vote to my six year old daughter by copying Bob the Builder's slogan.
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#362 Nov 04 2015 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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It's all about public speaking. Honesty is a nice thing to have in your back pocket, but that **** doesn't get things done. That's not to say the **** that does get done is particularly good. Speaking of not getting things done and not having joked about this yet, apparently Jeb dropping to fifth place drawing 8% at the polls has decided to change their target demographic from the part of the population that can legally vote to my six year old daughter by copying Bob the Builder's slogan.

Hey, it worked for Obama.
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Ben Carson “told graduates during a commencement address in the late ’90s that he believed the pyramids in Egypt were built by the biblical figure Joseph to store grain, and not, as most archeologists contend, as tombs for pharaohs,” BuzzFeed reports.
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#364 Nov 05 2015 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Those gaudily dressed dead people were just left there to confuse bakers.
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The lack of any kind of easily accessible storage was intended to enforce rationing.
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#366 Nov 05 2015 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, wait, he came to that conclusion because as a kid his mummy made bread all the time. Wokka wokka wokka!
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#367 Nov 05 2015 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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And that speaks to the problem I have with all of this: information gathered in the immediate wake of a crisis is going to be incomplete and sometimes contradictory. That's not conspiracy, that's life.


Sure. But when the incomplete data is later filled in with data that is false, then it does lead one to question how false information got added to the mix. And when said false information just happens to deflect the narrative of the event in question in a direction that is politically beneficial for a President in the middle of a re-election campaign, it's not silly at all to think that there might be a political motivation for that false information and that it was inserted for the benefit of said President by people who knew it was false but wanted the people to believe it was true.

How did we go from day one where everyone in the know about the event knew it had nothing to do with the video, or protests in other locations, to 3 days later where the official story (written in an intelligence briefing no less) said it was a direct result of that video? That doesn't happen by accident. The claim was just so laughable even at the time that it's hard to believe any actual intelligence analyst generated it as a result of any data from the field. It had to have come from a political source. And yeah, fair or not Clinton is neck deep in the whole mess.
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Those gaudily dressed dead people were just left there to confuse bakers.


The ones that weren't actually left there? That must have been confusing to them. All expecting mummies and not finding any. One of the more interesting theories for the great pyramids (well, aside from the whole "landing pads for alien spacecraft" one), is that they were super elaborate housings for Osiris boxes. Boxes which held Osiris shaped forms of earth and grain that were watered to grow (barley typically), thus symbolizing rebirth and regeneration (the aspects of Osiris). Ironically, this could be the source of the idea that they were granaries, because the boxes actually did hold grain.
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#369 Nov 06 2015 at 3:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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There is no source. It was a mistaken, inconsequential comment made more than a decade ago. I once spent about five minutes trying to remember how to spell "ready". I think it'd be silly for someone to attempt to use that against me twenty years from now, but it'd be even more absurd for anyone to bother defending it.

Egyptians believed materiel goods could be taken to an afterlife. There were weapons left in tombs. They were not armories. There were slaves left in tombs (though never Hebrew ones despite the claims of some). They were not residences. Alcohol and food were left in tombs. They were not wineries or granaries. No one not trying to force everything to be connected to the Bible would think otherwise.
#370 Nov 06 2015 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Wait. Are we actually debating as to whether or not the purpose of the pyramids was grain storage? Is that's what's going on here because that's what it looks like.
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#371 Nov 06 2015 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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But when the incomplete data is later filled in with data that is false,
Usually provided by you.
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Good use of what little time you have, analyzing and defending over a throwaway joke.

Edited, Nov 6th 2015 10:01am by lolgaxe
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Only Gbaji would put effort into defending a GOP candidate claiming that the pyramids were granaries.

If Carson had said that aliens built the pyramids, Gbaji would be typing a couple paragraphs on how it's totally possible that's what happened.

FWIW, I don't care so much about the statement -- there's a trillion better reasons why Carson is a poor choice -- but rather it struck me because it made me remember playing Civilization and the benefits of the Great Pyramids wonder (granary in every city).

Edited, Nov 6th 2015 9:02am by Jophiel
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#373 Nov 06 2015 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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there's a trillion better reasons why Carson is a poor choice
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#374 Nov 06 2015 at 9:26 PM Rating: Default
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The guy is embarrassing.
#375 Nov 07 2015 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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The guy is embarrassing.


I'd really hate to be a republican right now. Every election has had its share of laughable candidates but it has never been quite this bad.

I'm really kind of hoping it comes down Ben Carson next year so my wife's family, who has been screeching at us-- saying we only voted for Obama because he was black, watch in bewilderment when we don't support their black candidate. They will then proceed to not vote in the election at all because of their candidate's race, followed by a great deal of loudly crying about how unfair it all is.
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#376 Nov 09 2015 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'd have a better chance at the Presidency than Carson.
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