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#1 Apr 12 2016 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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I reckon it's time to consult the elders again. I'd put this in the OoT but let's be real that place is haunted.

I'll keep this short. Wife went to school and busted her *** and is now officially a registered nurse-- about a year ago this happened. Thing is, now she's stuck working at nursing homes instead of in a hospital like she wants. She hates her job intensely, but no one is calling her about better jobs. She thinks it's because of her felony she got back in 2003-- but everyone I've talked to about this says it shouldn't matter if it was that long ago. All I'm thinking is-- if a nursing home will hire her, why not a hospital?

She only has about 9 months work experience as an RN, and she needs to spend a couple of hundred dollars renewing her ACLS and BLS certifications-- I'm thinking that's all it is. She's ready to resign herself to the doom of working with old people all her life instead of delivering babies like she wants to. She says all her applications ask her if she's ever been convicted of a felony and she has to say "yes." I can imagine maybe she's right, but I really have no idea. I am fortunate enough to have never been arrested for anything on account of having spent my whole life hiding in my room, so I wouldn't know.
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In this age, it's very common for certain things to just filter out applicants... often before a human even sees them. I could easily see "felony" being one of them where, even if it was 'minor' and she's a model citizen, etc it's still easier to go on to the next application than to spend time determining if this person's criminal record is a concern. I would imagine (well, hope) that any position like neonatal nurse would involve a background check so lying about it would be a bad idea since it'll come up anyway.

My best recommendation would be that she try and get a better position through networking -- actually knowing medical people who could potentially vouch for her if a position comes up or at least let her application/resume get a fair viewing.

Of course, without knowing how many jobs she's applied for, how in demand they are, how far she got in the process etc it's hard to say for sure why she was turned down. She could have simply not been as qualified as another applicant.
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I know many people that work with the elderly in assisted living. At least here locally, it's one of the best paying positions for nurses and caregivers. My grandmother was an RN for ages, and moved on to in home care, and eventually opening her own adult foster care facility. With only a couple clients, more of a "family" setting. Now after she is retired she still does in home care for clients who trust her. Including some very wealthy old folk who pay well.

I'm sure it's not for everyone, having to clean up after old people and deal with various forms of incontinence, dementia, and death, but it's workable.

But, what Joph said about networking. Nepotism is your friend when job applications work against you.
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She's ready to resign herself to the doom of working with old people all her life instead of delivering babies like she wants to.
Well, registered nurses are technically not authorized to deliver babies. It's not like if all that's available is an RN that they'll just let the baby fall on the ground or anything, but they're not exactly in the room to do the actual delivery either. If your wife wants to deliver babies she'd need to get into a speciality like certified nurse midwife or labor & delivery nurse. And having a specialty is always a good thing to have on your resume. I asked about the felony but it's never come up at the hospital my wife works at so she doesn't know specifics, and even if it did she really wouldn't know about it anyway since it has little to do with her.

Best thing to do is for her to ask about the CNM courses, since they'd know best. Not gonna get the most accurate answers from a bunch of third party observers and anecdotes, but I'll third and fourth the whole networking things. It really is the most important skill to have.

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Kuwoobie wrote:
All I'm thinking is-- if a nursing home will hire her, why not a hospital?
I'll speculate at this, because that's what we do here right?

Hospitals (such as the one I'm at) are crazy paranoid about anything that could be even remotely considered to be a threat to patient security and privacy. The potential liability drives a lot more of the processes than most will willingly admit to. As silly as it might be for a hospital to deny someone a job based on an old conviction there's a lot more crazy stuff that happens off the record in the name of preemptive damage control. Some kind of liability in a class-action lawsuit for an employee leaking patient information is a hospital's worst nightmare, and they'll do things that are immoral and even illegal (with lower potential consequences) just to avoid the potential for a disaster.

On the other hand, bluntly, people don't care as much about what happens to old people; to the point where elder mistreatment isn't as uncommon as one would hope. The potential for misuse of someone's information is lower (they'll be dead soon), and other stuff.

Smiley: tinfoilhat

My sympathy though, my sister-in-law worked at a nursing home for a couple of years and hated every minute of it as well. Smiley: frown

Edited, Apr 12th 2016 5:21pm by someproteinguy
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Nepotism is awesome! Except when the rest of your family sucks and work there too.
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#7 Apr 12 2016 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Yes. I seem to remember now she did say something about not making any connections like the other students did while in nursing school. She's a lot like I am when it comes to people. Very unfriendly and avoidant of social interactions.

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On the other hand, bluntly, people don't care as much about what happens to old people;


That's exactly what she said. Smiley: frown

If I'm to believe the things she complains about daily, the place is a dump. The equipment is broken and the building is in shambles. The CNAs are a bunch of junkies and they are grossly understaffed. The management is incompetent on a level that leaves us wondering how that place is able to stay up and running at all. --but I guess as long as there are people willing to pay absurd amounts of money to keep their old folks locked up it doesn't matter much.

She's been getting emails with offers from hospitals in far away lands, like Alaska. It seems likely either way we'll end up moving somewhere that is desperate enough for RNs to hire her, so there's no telling where we might end up.
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Alaska is a bit of a hike but she may wind up paying her dues at some low income hospital or medical center to get the experience to move on up the food chain.
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She could try asking the places that don't hire her. Seriously.

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South Dakota is freakin desperate for RN's. Have her apply here and move.

ALSO: The cost of living is quite low compared to most of the rest of the country.

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Jophiel wrote:
Alaska is a bit of a hike
-- and they thought Palin was a good idea.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Alaska is a bit of a hike
-- and they thought Palin was a good idea.
Hey, be fair.

They were probably all methed out of their gourds.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Alaska is a bit of a hike
-- and they thought Palin was a good idea.
Hey, be fair.

They were probably all methed out of their gourds.
In Alaska's defense lots of things from Idaho look like a good idea at first, before the inevitable happens.
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Has anyone said anything about getting her record expunged yet? Cause you should see if that is possible.
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Has anyone said anything about getting her record expunged yet? Cause you should see if that is possible.
I was going to mention that but wasn't sure if you could do that on felonies or just on misdemeanors.
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#18 Apr 14 2016 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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You can't expunge your record here, but you can seal it. A quick google search shows in other states you can so best to just look it up and if so get a lawyer. Because one unified set of rules and standards is too restrictive.

Edited, Apr 14th 2016 9:44am by lolgaxe
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I was going to mention the expunge option as well. Obviously, it varies from state to state, but I do recall reading something recently about it. The process is specifically so that people with old felonies can avoid having to check that box on an application form, which is exactly what you're looking for.

If people networking is difficult for her, then this is probably her best option. If it's available in your state. If not, then you might think about either moving, or working on that whole networking thing. Go back and take some refresher courses (which it sounds like she has to do anyway), and make a point of getting to know others in the class, taking the tests, whatever. It seems cheesy, but there's a massive benefit to social interaction. Everything else being equal, you'll hire (or recommend) someone you've met, even briefly, over someone who's just a name on a file. Doubly so if that random name has the felony box checked.
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