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#52 May 23 2017 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Russia isn't actually the sworn enemy of Israel.



Nobody is anybody's sworn enemy. What's your point?
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Russia isn't actually the sworn enemy of Israel.



Nobody is anybody's sworn enemy. What's your point?



Except for you and me! Smiley: tongue

Edited, May 23rd 2017 4:49pm by stupidmonkey
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#56 May 23 2017 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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Russia isn't actually the sworn enemy of Israel.


Nobody is anybody's sworn enemy. What's your point?


I'm pretty sure India and Pakistan are sworn enemies.

But regardless, my point is that Israel and Russia actually have pretty good relations; Russia buys arms from Israel, they have some degree of intelligence sharing, and polling stations for Russian elections are set up in Israel. Putin especially is pretty pro Israel.

They also have visa free travel.

Edited, May 24th 2017 12:38am by Timelordwho
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What's 2,000,000,000 between friends?
Those dollars are all illegally in the country so they don't count.
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#58 May 24 2017 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Russia isn't actually the sworn enemy of Israel.



Nobody is anybody's sworn enemy. What's your point?



Except for you and me! Smiley: tongue

Edited, May 23rd 2017 4:49pm by stupidmonkey



Wait, are we? Have I been neglecting my sworn enemy duties?
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#59 May 24 2017 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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What's 2,000,000,000 between friends?
Those dollars are all illegally in the country so they don't count.
Let's compromise and count them as 60 cents each.
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#60 May 24 2017 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Israel is probably less concerned (though not happy) about Russia having the intel than they are about the very probable chance that Syria and Iran -- two bona fide Russian allies and enemies of Israel -- now have said Israeli intel.
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#61 May 24 2017 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Beyond that, they can probably trace where that intel came from and someone's contact is about to have their family murdered.

Which bodes well for future partnerships. Smiley: rolleyes
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#62 May 24 2017 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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Samira wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Russia isn't actually the sworn enemy of Israel.



Nobody is anybody's sworn enemy. What's your point?



Except for you and me! Smiley: tongue

Edited, May 23rd 2017 4:49pm by stupidmonkey



Wait, are we? Have I been neglecting my sworn enemy duties?


No, I just like being contrary.
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Turns out that Sessions had a number of previously undisclosed meetings with Russian officials. Man, those Trump people sure have trouble remembering their Russian contacts, huh? Kushner, Flynn, Sessions, Manafort... Total coincidence, I'm sure.

Edited, May 24th 2017 6:54pm by Jophiel
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#64 May 25 2017 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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Obviously it's normal.
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#65 May 25 2017 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, Trump has promised to prosecute leakers who reveal counterterrorism related information to the fullest extent of the law. I truly believe he doesn't get the irony.
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Honestly, it's more part of his whole "It's not the sins of the administration that matter, it's the dirty leakers talking about them!" messaging strategy.

We've already seen its effectiveness on select forum members.

Not that the administration had anything to do with the bombing and the people who leaked in this instance likely were in the wrong but Trump cares less about that and more about driving home the overall narrative that people leaking from inside the administration are the real problem, not the administration itself.
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#67 May 25 2017 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Especially after months of praising leaks. The damage control is doing more damage than the actual actions they're trying to spin.
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#68 May 25 2017 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Especially after months of praising leaks. The damage control is doing more damage than the actual actions they're trying to spin.



It's like having a minor fire, followed by massive water damage.
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#69 May 25 2017 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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We have the best water damage in the world. It really is amazing how much we have.
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#70 May 25 2017 at 11:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh deary me, I'm confused.

When nasty fundamentalist cnuts are asploding concerts and killing children in my country, it's reassuring that we have intelligence sharing agreements with our allies to covertly track down and accelerate the arrest of the individuals and cells responsible.

So if one of the more pivotal nations appears to handle intelligence data like Bobcat Goldthwaite treats vowels, it's a bit of a worry, no?

Within hours of the Manchester bombing, when the police investigation was starting to trace potential collaborators, the US media starts spouting the perp's name, giving those mischievous little terrorists a good head start to go to ground. The next day, photos appear of bomb components, again in the US press. Both sources apparently came via the US security services (no hints of denial) leaking like a soggy paper cup.

Is anyone in charge? It strikes me that whoever's at the top of the tree (I don't know, say, the Head of State, Commander in Chief or something like that?) is either incompetent or complicit. Evidence suggests the former. Little clues like him telling the Ivans "Don't tell anyone I told you, but..." and blowing the confidentiality of intelligence sources of an allied state?

Seriously, his response has been to condemn the murdering bastages as "Losers". Losers? What sort of playground language is that? I assume Al-Q'aeda are "Doody-heads" and ISIL are "Weiners".

He's apparently apologised to Mother Theresa (the handbag-wielding hag who currently looks after our island on behalf of Her Maj).

FFS Yanks. Sort yer selves out will you? Our children are dying here.

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#71 May 26 2017 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is anyone in charge?


A narcissistic trust fund manbaby with symptoms of dementia* is "in charge". His non-sycophant handlers are few and limited.

I'm so sorry. WAY sorrier than I was about Dubya.


*Short-term memory changes, loss of vocabulary, repetitive behavior, confusion, et.... uh, something. Something very, very good, very good, the best.
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#72 May 26 2017 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Oh deary me, I'm confused.
The most foreseeable consequence of a twenty-four hour news cycle, reality television, and almost two decades of fear mongering instead of politics.
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#74 May 26 2017 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously, his response has been to condemn the murdering bastages as "Losers". Losers?
Alpha males say alpha male things.
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FFS Yanks. Sort yer selves out will you? Our children are dying here.

Momma May hasn't fixed it yet? What'd you all give her the job for?
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And it seems Trump has backed out of the recent climate deal. That means the USA, Nicaragua, and Syria are the 3 countries not signed up for it. We're in good company at least. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, May 31st 2017 8:07am by someproteinguy
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#77 May 31 2017 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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#78 Jun 02 2017 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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All I can think of is that episode of Seinfeld where George decides to do the opposite of whatever normally works or makes sense and it all worked out somehow. Maybe this administration actually has it all figured out and we just don't know it yet.
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Well, George did the opposite of what George would usually do. He didn't do the opposite of what common sense would dictate.
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And it seems Trump has backed out of the recent climate deal.


You can't back out of a deal that you weren't actually in in the first place. Like the Kyoto Accords, this agreement was yet another feel good piece of paper that had no actual value except for people to pat themselves on the backs and claim it did. And, like the Kyoto Accords, had the US actually ever complied with the terms, would have actually resulted in increased total global pollution (greenhouse gasses in this case).

And (once again, since this is like a freaking broken record for such silly agreements/accords/whatever), it did not measure pollution in terms of units of productive output, but rather lumped countries into categories based on perceived size, industrial level, wealth, etc, and applied different rules to each category (well, except for China, by far the worst offender, which got a pass because... well... no reason I guess except the feel good need to get them to sign on, so we can all congratulate ourselves for "doing something" about climate change).

And, like the Kyoto Accords, it's yet another such silly thing that was "agreed to" by a Democrat president, knowing full well he had no authority or power to actually comply with the agreement due to the whole "no chance this will ever be ratified" problem, but so he can collect accolades for being so environmentally conscious regardless of the absolute absence of tangible benefits, and leaving it to the next GOP administration to be the "bad guy" and be a rational adult about the whole thing and call it what it is (a complete BS waste of paper and time). And yeah, calling Trump "rational" is painful to start with, but that's where we're kinda at here.

Seriously. It's the same freaking thing we went through nearly 20 years ago, just with a different label. The world demand for "widgets" doesn't change if you demand that the US reduce its domestic pollution generation by X percent. Thus, the most likely way to meet such a demand is for widget production to move from the US, where the pollution per widget rate is very very low, to some other country, most likely one where the rate is very very high. Ergo, more global pollution, not less.

It's always amazing to me how people who claim to be thinking globally fall into this same trap every single time. If you want to actually do something about global pollution (of whatever pollutant we're talking about), the only way to do this is to apply the same rules to every country, everywhere. Same rate of pollution per unit of production must exist, or the system will not work. Yet, despite this very obvious fact, we still get the same ridiculous cherry picked accords/agreements instead. And the same numskulls rave about how great it is, and how important it is for global cleanliness or whatever, and the same horrified response when the adults in the room tell them that it wont actually work.


I'll say the same thing about this agreement that I said about Kyoto. It had nothing at all to do with global pollution, the climate, saving the earth, or green anything. It had everything to do with using those things to push for economic outcomes that those involved wanted. It's a global form of class warfare, where the "rich" must pay to help the "poor". The US is "rich", so it must suffer penalties. It's as simple as that. If you think it's at all about the environment, then you've been totally snowed.

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Trump handed China a huge gift with his announcement to withdraw. Honestly, Trump has been the best thing America has done for Russia & China since Edward Snowden. Russia is able to expand its influence without any US hassle and China is poised to clean up on the pacts and agreements we're abandoning.

Edited, Jun 4th 2017 9:19pm by Jophiel
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Well, he said he was going to make America great. He just didn't say who he was making it great for.
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#84 Jun 05 2017 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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And it seems Trump has backed out of the recent climate deal.


You can't back out of a deal that you weren't actually in in the first place.
Which is why I'm assuming he's going with the agreed-upon means of exiting the treaty with has us fully withdrawing after 4 years? Smiley: dubious

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Like the Kyoto Accords, this agreement was yet another feel good piece of paper that had no actual value except for people to pat themselves on the backs and claim it did.
Which, more or less, is why I'm a bit mystified by his actions. There's very little to be gained by withdrawing from it. This picture does a good amount to put it in perspective, the projected difference is minimal. The agreement has always been rather lackluster, and pretty far from the pie-in-the-sky goal of 1.5C. Also worth pointing out that the U.S.'s contribution is assuming "business as usual" if we don't sign up, which is unlikely to be the case. Given our recent natural gas bonanza we'll do decently well in reducing emissions anyway, which makes me wonder why not just stay in and play nice with the other 98% of the world?


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which makes me wonder why not just stay in and play nice with the other 98% of the world?

Either because the Trump administration is desperate for a win and this plays towards the Fortress America base or because Trump legitimately believes that pretty much any prior agreement is "bad for America". I'd lay equal odds on each (or a combination of both). Trump had voices on both sides of the issue in his circle trying to sway him but he went with the "Jobs before silly treaties" rhetoric.
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had voices on both sides of the issue in his circle trying to sway him but he went with the "Jobs before silly treaties" rhetoric.
Someone had to save the asbestos market and the Model T.
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which makes me wonder why not just stay in and play nice with the other 98% of the world?

Either because the Trump administration is desperate for a win and this plays towards the Fortress America base or because Trump legitimately believes that pretty much any prior agreement is "bad for America". I'd lay equal odds on each (or a combination of both). Trump had voices on both sides of the issue in his circle trying to sway him but he went with the "Jobs before silly treaties" rhetoric.
Yeah, that was more-or-less how I read it as well. The treaty was basically a way to secure political points without much effort. For other 1st world nations that means signing up and tossing a few bucks towards some minor feel-good things; for us that means withdrawing with little consequence so we can toot our "you're not my mom so you don't get to tell me what to do" horn. Smiley: rolleyes

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which makes me wonder why not just stay in and play nice with the other 98% of the world?

Either because the Trump administration is desperate for a win and this plays towards the Fortress America base or because Trump legitimately believes that pretty much any prior agreement is "bad for America". I'd lay equal odds on each (or a combination of both). Trump had voices on both sides of the issue in his circle trying to sway him but he went with the "Jobs before silly treaties" rhetoric.


Or because he's doing everything he can to dismantle anything that might be construed as Obama's legacy.
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Come on, people. You have to understand that as a businessman running this country as a business the best course of action is to completely isolate us from the world and insult as many world leaders as possible.
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Ideally yes, but only if you have enough conflicts of interest. Smiley: thumbsup

Edited, Jun 6th 2017 9:10am by someproteinguy
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Comey's upcoming testimony has the Trump administration shitting their pants. Trump is planning to live-Tweet retorts during the testimony and an allied group is running ads on CNN and Fox News trying to discredit Comey.

Edited, Jun 6th 2017 2:44pm by Jophiel
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Trump is planning to live-Tweet retorts during the testimony
Smiley: popcorn

I mean, seriously I'm not sure there's better popcorn material than that. Twitter + major potential scandal + Trump? It's like a made-for-internet movie. Odds that he says something that'll come back to bite him later? Smiley: rolleyes

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Comey's upcoming testimony has the Trump administration shitting their pants. Trump is planning to live-Tweet retorts during the testimony and an allied group is running ads on CNN and Fox News trying to discredit Comey.

I'm kinda surprised Comey hasn't fallen victim to an ill-conceived assassination attempt yet. dropped dead of a totally unexpected but not in any way suspicious heart attack.
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Trump is planning to live-Tweet retorts during the testimony
Smiley: popcorn

I mean, seriously I'm not sure there's better popcorn material than that. Twitter + major potential scandal + Trump? It's like a made-for-internet movie. Odds that he says something that'll come back to bite him later? Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Jun 6th 2017 2:19pm by someproteinguy


I swear to Allah, may he sow discord for many millennia, Trump is the only thing that keeps Twitter alive. How the **** they stay afloat is beyond me.

But yeah, bring out the popcorn.

Edited, Jun 6th 2017 11:20pm by angrymnk
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an allied group is running ads on CNN and Fox News trying to discredit Comey.
I'd like to say I feel bad for everyone that spent so much energy praising Comey during the election now having to demonize him but I really don't.
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He's been off them since Palin.
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Senator McCain is off his fuckin' meds.
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There's a Viagra joke in these somewhere.


That's what she said! [:boom:]
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