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#927 Feb 02 2018 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
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So, stupid opo-opo, what's the current news on the daughter?
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#928 Feb 02 2018 at 1:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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She turns 18 the end of this month.

Her grandmothers sister (Great Aunt) saw my video, and reached out to me. She and her other sister are also estranged from my daughters grandmother, as the crazy runs deep in that side of the family.

She was able to give me some information on what her life has been like, as well as info on her grandmother, but I had most of that info already.

My private investigator is searching for her grandfather, who may know where they are.

Most of this happened in the last week.
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#929 Feb 02 2018 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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#930 Feb 02 2018 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
I read that one. He's different, he must be from somewhere else!!!
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#931 Feb 02 2018 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, Gbaji, you absolutely cracked the case. I didn't post about it here because I was afraid of making "my side" look bad in front of, uh, Lolgaxe, Bijou and maybe SPG. Way to solve that mystery, Slylock Fox.
logaxe isn't capitalized, Jophiel.

You all ain't ee cummings. You get your names capitalized like you learned in first grade.

Ironically, Wikipedia writes it as E.E. Cummings so even he isn't exempt
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#932 Feb 02 2018 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I suppose at least part of the philosophical issue here is that conservatives tend to believe that the federal government shouldn't be doing anything that's "non-essential" in the first place. And yeah, from there it gets progressively more contentious.
Which is ironic because in theory the military and veterans programs are like 60% of the "non-essential" spending. That's one of those distinctions that seems rather arbitrary at times (the definition of "discretionary" and "non-discretionary"). I don't have anything against the theory of setting budget priorities and whatnot in theory, but these seem like manufactured crises to try to force issues that are super important to a political base ("the wall", DACA, etc with the current round), but that the general public isn't really overly concerned with.
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#933 Feb 02 2018 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, "the memo" is released it seems. From what I gather it seems people were generally aware that there was politically-motivated and funded information being fed into investigations into Trump. Of course, since it's basically a one-sided document it'll be interesting to hear the other side.

Politics never ceases to entertain. Smiley: popcorn

Edited, Feb 2nd 2018 10:51am by someproteinguy
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Except the House GOP voted to block the official Democratic response to the memo
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#935 Feb 02 2018 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd imagine there's a distinctly different opinion there on how essential the information Steele provided was to getting the FISA warrant, or an argument about how the facts aren't being disputed, just the source. Dunno, it's all entertaining, but it seems like a bit of a side show with Trump vs Mueller about to go on stage in the main tent here shortly.

Also timeline stuff, which makes the whole mess a little more understandable.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2018 11:32am by someproteinguy
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#936 Feb 05 2018 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Which is a pretty significant difference.
Because they're not conservatives. We already know the "significant difference" to you. You don't need to pretend you have some deep altruistic reason for your behavior.
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Which is ironic because in theory the military and veterans programs are like 60% of the "non-essential" spending.
My future vacation home is essential. Smiley: motz
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#937 Feb 05 2018 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which is ironic because in theory the military and veterans programs are like 60% of the "non-essential" spending.
My future vacation home is essential. Smiley: motz
Don't worry, they always exempt you guys anyway. There's always money to buy beachfront condos for brave soldiers, and provide those hungry orphans in 3rd world countries with much needed ammunition. It's the kind of thing we take pride in as Americans.

Edited, Feb 5th 2018 9:13am by someproteinguy
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#938 Feb 05 2018 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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It is almost as if he and Ajit decided to compete over who is the bigger *******.

I debated posting it outside Trump section, but.. dunno, changed my mind.

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#940 Feb 05 2018 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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"Drain the swamp"
Find the body
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#941 Feb 06 2018 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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"Drain the swamp"
Gotta make sure those ivory towers have sturdy foundations before building, don'cha know.
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Also, "the memo" is released it seems. From what I gather it seems people were generally aware that there was politically-motivated and funded information being fed into investigations into Trump. Of course, since it's basically a one-sided document it'll be interesting to hear the other side.

Politics never ceases to entertain. Smiley: popcorn

Edited, Feb 2nd 2018 10:51am by someproteinguy



And now! Ladies and Gentlemen! It's the FONT SIZE Tango!
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#943 Feb 06 2018 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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#944 Feb 06 2018 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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NeVeR qUeStIoN a MaN aBoUt ThE sIzE oF hIs FoNt.


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Edited, Feb 6th 2018 12:06pm by someproteinguy
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#945 Feb 06 2018 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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They should have just let the Democrats release their own version. At this point all we can really do is speculate about what in the memo has been spun politically, which does them no favors.
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#946 Feb 06 2018 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Again, it happened over a weekend. I personally barely post on the weekends (****, I go days between posting during the week). There's a tiny handful of people who still post here as opposed to 2013. If you need to jerk yourself off by comparing the two events, go for it.


Sigh... The week leading up to the shutdown, there was a ton of news about it, and during that week or so, you had no way of knowing it would only be a three day shutdown. Yet, during that week, just in this thread, we had someone post about asking Trump about Wakanda, speculation about Bannon's testimony, comments about an extremely fringe group wanting to split California, me spinning off on a tangent about RT and the "russian meddling" report, you spinning off on a tangent about reading said report, both of us spinning off on a tangent about Haidt's book (which spanned two different threads), and an argument about what exactly a "derogative" is (and I suppose what the definition of "liberal" is).

During this time? Not one mention of what was presumably the most talked about news story that week, the upcoming potential shutdown. So yeah, silly me, I'm going to comment on this "odd" absence.
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I don't feel like going back and reading through relevant threads from back then, but I'm reasonably certain that we had discussions about the shutdown, and the potential of a shutdown, well before the actual shutdown occurred


"I don't know it for a fact, I just know it."


Or... I'm pretty decent at being correct with my vague memories of things that happened in the past. Not perfect, mind you, but in this case, there are at least two threads created in the week or so prior to the actual shutdown, speaking directly about shutdown related topics. There were at least two other threads around that time period talking about the shutdown, but which were created after it happened, so I'm not including them. It's also possible that I missed some that occurred earlier, or that went off on tangents and continued to be posted long after the shutdown ended (ordering of the threads is based on date of last post, so it can be tricky to find "post on topic A, started before date B").
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someproteinguy wrote:
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I suppose at least part of the philosophical issue here is that conservatives tend to believe that the federal government shouldn't be doing anything that's "non-essential" in the first place. And yeah, from there it gets progressively more contentious.
Which is ironic because in theory the military and veterans programs are like 60% of the "non-essential" spending.


How do you figure that? Here's where the scope of legislative power (and thus, legislative funding) is defined. Note, that there are 6 different items listed which touch on aspects of maintaining a military, from dealing with piracy on the seas, to declaring wars, to funding an army, and a navy, a militia, etc.

No mention of funding healthcare, or providing assistance for the poor, or housing for the homeless, or education funding though. So explain to me how you are deciding what is essential and what is non-essential?

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That's one of those distinctions that seems rather arbitrary at times (the definition of "discretionary" and "non-discretionary"). I don't have anything against the theory of setting budget priorities and whatnot in theory, but these seem like manufactured crises to try to force issues that are super important to a political base ("the wall", DACA, etc with the current round), but that the general public isn't really overly concerned with.


Ironically, most non-discretionary funding is for things that aren't actually listed in article 1 section 8 of the constitution. One might suspect that is specifically because in the absence of special legislation mandating such funding, it would likely not otherwise be funded (cause it's not actually in scope). This is the result of decades of significant expansion of government funding over time though, and there's a whole historical aspect to this.

As to the point you were making though, you're correct. In this case, it's pure politics. There's nothing specifically budgetary about the issues being fought over here. Immigration reform is a subject all its own, and should be treated that way. There's no reason why passage of a budget bill should be held hostage to issues on immigration.

Now, in the context of immigration itself, it's perfectly legitimate to compromise. So one side wants DACA recipients to get permanent visa status, then they have to give something up. And, honestly, in this case, it's not even an arbitrary "give us something unrelated that we want" deal. There's a certain logic to balancing out granting permanent visa status to folks who are here because their parents brought them through our porous border security as children with some sort of effort to tighten that security up so that we don't have the same problem in 10 or 15 years. If you had a bad alignment on your car, and it caused your tires to wear unevenly, you'd certainly see the need to replace the tires that are about to blow out, right? But you'd be foolish not to also fix the alignment so that you aren't right back with pre-maturely worn out tires in a few months, right?

You fix the problem that created the condition as part of treating the condition itself. Doing otherwise is foolish. If we all agree (and I hope we do) that the current condition of DACA recipients is harmful to them (stuck in an illegal status, through no fault of their own, and often with no ties to their nation of origin), then we should all agree to work to prevent the same condition happening to more people in the future. What's strange is that the Dems don't seem to want to do this. It's almost like they want to make sure there is a steady supply of victims of our broken immigration system available for them to trot out and use for their own political agenda. But that would just be crazy talk, right? Right?
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Except the House GOP voted to block the official Democratic response to the memo


Not remotely true. More like Schiff had a tizzy, went running to any newsperson with a microphone to demand that his memo (which he hadn't finished writing yet), must be released as well. The correct version is that the Dems did everything they could to prevent the memo from being released at all, then when they realized they couldn't stop it decided to write their own memo, all the while complaining that their's hadn't been released yet (well, more that their version of events wasn't in the official memo, but they'd make sure to write one with their point of view in it, just wait...). Um... I'm reasonably certain that the total time from finished memo to release will be shorter for the dem counter-memo than for the original.

So lots of BS on this. Or maybe whining.

I'm betting that the dem memo will contain a lot of finger pointing and name calling, and lots of claims of debunking this or that, but little if any actual facts to refute what's in the official memo. I'll also predict that most of the media outlets will dutifully report on the claims in said memo, while failing to address what facts (or lack thereof) are contained within.

It's kinda hard to get around the Deputy Director of the FBI being quoted as saying that without the Steele Dossier, there would have been no FISA warrants. Pretty much the whole shebang falls from there. Fruit from the poison tree, right? The entire Trump/Russia collaboration investigation ultimately rests on this one piece of political opposition research laundered through a few sources to the FBI, even then requiring those at the top of the FBI (and possibly folks at DoJ) to look the other way and just kinda not mention the fallacious source when going forward with said investigation. The whole point is that the people behind this knew that it was all BS from the start, but went forward anyway.

Which is somewhat problematic.
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Are we talking about a tire and alignment shop where the five hundred thirty-five employees fight and bicker and it takes them eighteen months and twenty meetings to decide on all-weather or winter tires?

Because, in that case, I might be happy to just get my tires and get the **** out rather than waiting a decade on that wheel alignment before I see my car again.
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