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#1727 Sep 14 2018 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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The allegation dates back to the early nineteen-eighties, when Kavanaugh was a high-school student at Georgetown Preparatory School, in Bethesda, Maryland, and the woman attended a nearby high school. In the letter, the woman alleged that, during an encounter at a party, Kavanaugh held her down, and that he attempted to force himself on her. She claimed in the letter that Kavanaugh and a classmate of his, both of whom had been drinking, turned up music that was playing in the room to conceal the sound of her protests, and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand. She was able to free herself. Although the alleged incident took place decades ago and the three individuals involved were minors, the woman said that the memory had been a source of ongoing distress for her, and that she had sought psychological treatment as a result.
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#1728 Sep 14 2018 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mark J. Bird, 69, was charged last month with discharging a gun within a prohibited structure, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and possessing a dangerous weapon on school property, court records show. He was found bleeding from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his arm about 8:15 a.m. on Aug. 28 outside a bathroom in the Charleston campus K building.

Inside the bathroom, campus police found a $100 bill taped to a mirror along with a note that said, “For the janitor,” according to Bird’s arrest report. On the floor of the restroom was a black-and-white, .22-caliber pistol and one spent shell casing.
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While waiting for authorities to arrive, Bird said he had shot himself in protest of President Donald Trump, police noted in their report. The report did not elaborate.

This is like cutting your nose to spite your face except then your face just laughs at you and tweets "SAD!"
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#1729 Sep 14 2018 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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And, despite the triple posting, I would be remiss to not mention that Manafort will be cooperating with the Mueller investigation as part of his plea deal. It's suspected that Manafort had already given testimony before the grand jury before the deal was made public to prevent a pardon disrupting the cooperation. Plus the cash/property forfeitures in the plea agreement are civil in nature (unable to be pardoned) and many of the crimes are able to be charged at the state level if necessary.

Edited, Sep 14th 2018 11:11am by Jophiel
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#1730 Sep 14 2018 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Canada would like to offer the United States some lovely maple syrup to go with all of those pancakes you keep flipping.
#1731 Sep 14 2018 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe Gbaji will swing by in a few days to explain why this totally doesn't count as a flip because it doesn't follow his specific criteria.
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#1732 Sep 14 2018 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe Gbaji will swing by in a few days to explain why this totally doesn't count as a flip because it doesn't follow his specific criteria.

Haven't seen him around in awhile, thought maybe he got swept up in the investigation.
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#1733 Sep 14 2018 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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This is like cutting your nose to spite your face except then your face just laughs at you and tweets "SAD!"
Then again, I wish more people would shoot themselves to protest things instead of other people. A Thich Quang Duc vibe.
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#1734 Sep 14 2018 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
And, despite the triple posting, I would be remiss to not mention that Manafort will be cooperating with the Mueller investigation as part of his plea deal. It's suspected that Manafort had already given testimony before the grand jury before the deal was made public to prevent a pardon disrupting the cooperation. Plus the cash/property forfeitures in the plea agreement are civil in nature (unable to be pardoned) and many of the crimes are able to be charged at the state level if necessary.

Edited, Sep 14th 2018 11:11am by Jophiel


Someone on Twitter commented, "Cue the piano solo from 'Layla'" when this news broke. Smiley: laugh


Oh, what the hell.



On a side note, I never knew that J.D. Souther, Glen Frey and Don Henley wrote this song.

Edit: cause stoopid.

Edited, Sep 14th 2018 8:25pm by Samira
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#1735 Sep 15 2018 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Mueller investigation is also operating in the black after the seizure of $30 million. Who knew prosecuting white collar crime was so economical?
#1736 Sep 16 2018 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was a seizure of about $46 million. The cost of the investigation to date is about $30 million.

Somewhat alarming: Trump is now characterizing the investigation as illegal, which it patently is not.
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Trump is freaking out because support for the investigation and faith in Mueller is increasing with every successful conviction and witness flip. Over the summer, it was deteriorating because it was just Trump saying what a sham it was and silence from Mueller's office. Now it's Trump whining about it being a sham and concrete results from Mueller's office and people do love a winner.
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#1738 Sep 16 2018 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Senator Flake (R-Retiring) says that the Judicial Affairs Committee shouldn't vote to move Kavanaugh to the full Senate vote without first hearing the testimony of Christine Ford, the woman accusing Kavanaugh of attempted rape. Flake is one of the votes on the Judicial Affairs Committee which is split 11-10 so his saying "No" would halt the nomination for now. Senator Corker (R-Also Retiring) also says that the nomination shouldn't progress until Ford is heard from.
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#1739 Sep 17 2018 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Easy to have principles when there aren't any consequences to worry about.
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#1740 Sep 18 2018 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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A woman has come forward to say that Ford told her about the alleged Kavanaugh assault last year while women were sharing their stories during that pesky #MeToo thing. I'd consider it a no-win coin toss for Kavanaugh and the GOP right about now. Wouldn't be surprised to see it go either way and neither way is going to be much of a victory for McConnell & Co.
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#1741 Sep 19 2018 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Looks like they're in the negotiation stages of getting both parties to face each other in a Thunderdome.
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#1742 Sep 24 2018 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Maybe Gbaji will swing by in a few days to explain why this totally doesn't count as a flip because it doesn't follow his specific criteria.

Haven't seen him around in awhile, thought maybe he got swept up in the investigation.


Nah. Just been busy and frankly bored of the same retreaded and predictable posts around here lately. I can pretty much just tune into MSNBC and know exactly what the folks on this forum will be talking about, what angle they'll have and in many cases the exact language they'll be using/repeating.

And Joph? If "specific criteria" for it to count as a "flip" is "actually flipping on someone" (presumably Trump in this case), then yeah, guilty as charged. It's funny because you're like a broken record on this. How many times now have you defined any and every single plea agreement or cooperation agreement as "flipping" (on Trump), when, as I've pointed out each and every time, the far more likely reason to do those things is to get a reduced sentence for yourself in return for the plea/cooperation.

The assumption that said plea agreement or cooperation must include "provide critical information to proving Trump did something illegal" is your own. Well, and the folks at MSNBC. Most people hear "plea deal" and assume "cop to a lower charge to avoid the cost and pain of a trial and the risk of being found guilty of a greater penalty". They similarly assume that the offer is made by the prosecution to *also* avoid the cost of a trial and the potential of the defendant not being found guilty of anything. You know, how such things normally happen every single day in courtrooms all over the country. By all means though continue to believe that "this time", it'll be the nail in Trump's coffin or something.

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to actually state the federal statute they think someone has violated and upon which this investigation is supposed to be based. You know, like such "special prosecutions" are actually supposed to have in hand prior to being initiated, but which is suspiciously missing in this case? Not surprising that such an investigation will veer off into random directions when it doesn't start with an direction in the first place. Also more than a bit alarming to have an investigation to basically "figure out what crime might have been committed". Um... That's not how our legal system is supposed to work.

But then, there's a lot of that going on right now. Right? I mean: Make the defendant testify before the accuser? Who thinks that makes any sense at all? Ignoring the whole "turning the basic fundamental foundation of our legal system upside down", how can anyone actually ask meaningful questions of the defendant if they haven't first received testimony from the accuser? Kinda common sense there. But sense seems to be less and less "common" every day, especially on your side of the political aisle.

Edited, Sep 24th 2018 6:57pm by gbaji
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#1743 Sep 24 2018 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to actually state the federal statute they think someone has violated
Trump?

Rape of an 13 old girl.


Or...did you mean something else?


Rape of his own (then) wife?


Or... did you mean something else?



Shorting payments for services rendered?

Or... did you mean something else?


Refusing black tenants in his properties?

Or...did you mean something else?


Trying to run the United States as an dictator?

Or...did you mean something else?


Working with a foreign government to suborn the vote process in our country?

Or...something else?




There is so much to chose from. Can you narrow it down?
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#1744 Sep 24 2018 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to actually state the federal statute they think someone has violated and upon which this investigation is supposed to be based. You know, like such "special prosecutions" are actually supposed to have in hand prior to being initiated, but which is suspiciously missing in this case?

Oh, that's easy:
28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a) wrote:
The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

ORDER NO. 3915-2017 APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL wrote:
The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
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(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

Despite your mistaken assertions, there's no need or cause to name a specific statute in naming the investigation. The law providing for the appointment of a special counsel clearly states that they will be "provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated" which in this case is investigating "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" as well as any other criminal matters Mueller may find along the way and any matters that come directly from his investigation such as perjury or obstruction.

Whoever told you that you needed to name a statute in the appointment misled you. I hope it wasn't all that MSNBC you've been watching; that would be embarrassing.

Edited, Sep 24th 2018 11:23pm by Jophiel
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#1745 Sep 24 2018 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Nah. Just been busy and frankly bored of the same retreaded and predictable posts around here lately. I can pretty much just tune into MSNBC and know exactly what the folks on this forum will be talking about, what angle they'll have and in many cases the exact language they'll be using/repeating.

You watch NBC, we'll watch Fox and never have to bother coming back here.
Who are the MSNBC personalities anyways? Is that...Maddow? I don't watch TV for news unless it's local NYC, like PIX 11 or something.
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#1746 Sep 24 2018 at 11:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Nah. Just been busy and frankly bored of the same retreaded and predictable posts around here...


You should stop reading your posts if you feel that way.
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#1747 Sep 25 2018 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The assumption that said plea agreement or cooperation must include "provide critical information to proving Trump did something illegal" is your own. Well, and the folks at MSNBC. Most people hear "plea deal" and assume "cop to a lower charge to avoid the cost and pain of a trial and the risk of being found guilty of a greater penalty"

I guess they do if they get their news from nowhere. People who actually bother to learn something will know that a plea deal and cooperation are two different things. Seriously, this is some world class whistling past the graveyard where you're telling yourself "Oh, well, he's cooperating with the investigation but, uh, that means nothing!"

If they just wanted a plea deal to push the case out the door, they wouldn't include a cooperation agreement. People accept plea deals all the time without knowing anything and the prosecutor not wanting anything from them but a hasty resolution. The fact that these deals DO include a cooperation agreement means that the defendant is offering to trade knowledge for a lighter sentence and the prosecutor thinks that knowledge is valuable enough to bargain. The fact that Manafort's plea deal was structured in a way to not be nullified by a pardon would strongly suggest that the information/cooperation in question is (a) about Trump and (b) valuable enough that Mueller wants to be sure he has it.
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#1748 Sep 25 2018 at 7:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Nah. Just been busy and frankly bored of the same retreaded and predictable posts around here...
Thanks for doing something and not posting those same retread and predictable posts for a while, then. It was nice while it lasted.
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#1749 Sep 25 2018 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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If they just wanted a plea deal to push the case out the door, they wouldn't include a cooperation agreement. People accept plea deals all the time without knowing anything and the prosecutor not wanting anything from them but a hasty resolution. The fact that these deals DO include a cooperation agreement means that the defendant is offering to trade knowledge for a lighter sentence and the prosecutor thinks that knowledge is valuable enough to bargain.


Right? This stuff is like "Law & Order" 101.
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#1750 Sep 25 2018 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is a tough hurricane, one of the wettest we've ever seen, from the standpoint of water.
Remember in 2014 when 45 tweeted how we needed a President that wasn't a laughing stock to the entire world? And then he made a speech in front of the UN today and the world literally laughed at him?

And speaking of legal, Bill Cosby has been found to be a violent sexual predator. I guess he wrote about all his attacks in his calendar.

Edited, Sep 25th 2018 2:03pm by lolgaxe
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And speaking of legal, Bill Cosby has been found to be a violent sexual predator. I guess he wrote about all his attacks in his calendar.


Right? This stuff is like "Law & Order: SVU" 101.
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