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#802 Sep 11 2017 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting angle on what Odin's objective was here. As Roy mentions, if he actually wanted the world destroyed, he could have just voted "yes". He didn't. If he had not delivered the prophesy, Durkon would not have left the Dwarven lands in the first place, not become vampirized, and thus not returned to force the vote to result in the Dwarves all dying and going to Hel.

Of course, that misses a bigger piece of the puzzle. Redcloak's plan would have gone forward anyway. Without Durkon joining the Order, it's possible that they would have failed to prevent that plan (so far anyway). Of course, the risk there is a sequence of gates being destroyed (just as they have), which puts the Dwarves souls in danger (hence the prophesy). But if he doesn't do this, then the alternative is the Dark One being able to move a gate from the prime material plane to any other plane (like where the gods are). He plans to use this threat to get concessions, but the reality is that this would cause the snarl to cease to be something that just threatens the world of mortals, but now threatens everyone, everywhere. It's been pretty clearly established that the gods were safe on their home planes. Now they would not be.

Which is by far the worse outcome. In order of terribleness:

1. The gods destroy the world to prevent the snarl from escaping and unmaking everyone. Everyone on the world dies, but their souls go to their respective afterlives. And the Dwarves go to Hel. So... bad.

2. The gods don't destroy the world. The last gate is destroyed and the snarl escapes and unmakes everyone. Worse.

3. The Dark One succeeds, and shifts the gate to other planes. The snarl proceeds to eat the gods if they don't do what DO wants. Much worse.

4. The Dark One succeeds, and shifts the gate to other planes. Turns out he can't control the snarl, and once released in any fashion, it proceeds to eat the gods, and no longer stuck on one plane, proceeds to go on a muti-planar eating spree. Everyone and everything is unmade, everywhere. Not just "worse", but literally "the end".


Odin may not be acting like a jerk here, but taking a risky action that provides the best chance of avoiding that worst case scenario. Heck. It's entirely possible that he lied about what would actually happen, knowing that this lie would set in motion a series of events that will result in things "almost" going sideways, but turning out ok in the end.

From a meta storytelling point of view, it's clear that the gods aren't actually going to unmake the world, so Hel's plan will be foiled somehow (kinda got a whole book left to go here, right?). So the "prophesy" will somehow not be fulfilled (or will be so in a way that doesn't result in that end). But if, along the way, Odin's prophesy set in motion a series of events that allows the OOTS to foil both Xykon and Redcloak's plans, then it was the right call for him to make. At least that's my guess.

The one element that's missing is that the fact of being vampirized and returning home in this manner has to somehow be a key factor to the OOTS succeeding. Otherwise, why bother? Presumably Roy would have found some other willing cleric to join him on his adventures if Durkon hadn't been available (cause he never left the Dwarven lands). So it can't just be "having a decent cleric along for the ride" as the only effect of Odin's prophesy. Something has to come of this entire plot section that has a direct effect on the ultimate conflict between the OOTS and team evil. No clue at all what that may be at this point though.
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#803 Sep 12 2017 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Adding link to new comic because gbaji dropped the ball.Smiley: tongue
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Edited, Sep 12th 2017 10:12am by Bijou
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Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.
#805 Sep 12 2017 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wrote all that, and the very next page answers most of it.

Odin isn't the only Allfather-tier deity. You've got at least the Asgardians, the Babylonians, and Olympians. So wouldn't they all know the prophecy and what's going to happen afterwards, if not also have their hands in pushing destiny along?
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#806 Sep 14 2017 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, the Olympians are dead (or unmade, I guess) so they're probably not doing much. And Odin is an Asgardian. I'm guessing you meant to include the Chinese Zodiac critters?

Probably Odin had a more direct line because it involved the mechanizations of Hel within his own pantheon and part of the Stickworld (northern region). At least, that's how I'd handwave it.
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#807 Sep 14 2017 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm guessing you meant to include the Chinese Zodiac critters?
Probably. I just remember there are multiple pantheons and just posted the first three to show up on their wiki. It's really the same problem I have with Marvel and DC comics. There's multiple pantheons, with "equal" leaders, but only the Asgardians/Olympians (Marvel/DC) are discussed in any meaningful way. At least in OOTS it's one storyline and one writer so it isn't as annoying.
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#808 Sep 18 2017 at 10:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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#809 Sep 19 2017 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Should have given Mr Scruffy the Elixir of Fire Breath..
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#810 Sep 19 2017 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Should give Bloodfeast the Greater Magic Fang potion, preferably after dispelling the Dire Polymorph effects.
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Should give Bloodfeast the Greater Magic Fang potion, preferably after dispelling the Dire Polymorph effects.
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#812 Sep 19 2017 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Should give Bloodfeast the Greater Magic Fang potion, preferably after dispelling the Dire Polymorph effects.


Or just give him the potion, and wait for a vampire to cast dismiss to get rid of it. Hilarity will then ensue!
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#813 Sep 19 2017 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Should give Bloodfeast the Greater Magic Fang potion, preferably after dispelling the Dire Polymorph effects.


Or just give him the potion, and wait for a vampire to cast dismiss to get rid of it. Hilarity will then ensue!
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#814 Sep 19 2017 at 11:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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But then the allosaur's fangs won't be magic. Vampires in 3.5e have Damage Reduction (10) against non-magic/silver weapons so Bloodfeast as an Allosaurus would be barely doing long sword damage without the potion.
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#815 Sep 20 2017 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I said that hilarity would ensue. Not necessarily effective hilarity.
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#816 Sep 26 2017 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Vampiric Litterbugs.
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#817 Oct 04 2017 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hah! Queue horror music.

Actually didn't see that coming. Nice!
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#818 Oct 05 2017 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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It was a nice twist, but I'm also annoyed that it's going to delay the plot by another two or three pages minimum.
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#819 Oct 05 2017 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's a whole lot of castings of "Hasten Vampirism", which I assume isn't a 1st or 2nd level spell. I guess maybe Durkon taught it to the Exarch and two other vampires but that'd be a tight schedule.

On the other hand, Durkon & Co went to find a place to meditate for new spells so maybe it doesn't really matter how many spells they cast previously.
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#820 Oct 17 2017 at 4:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well...this is a thing.
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#823 Oct 17 2017 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Time for everyone to reveal their origin stories.
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