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#27 Nov 01 2013 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Are you really going to be focusing on a few decimal places. Smiley: dubious

And Page never even remotely had a chance to do anything with the character. Which is my point. The writing and direction of the film was just horrible. She had so few lines to begin with, and the writing for the ones she did have was just bland and uninteresting. She was essentially treated as a stock character. Had you handed me the script with the names blacked out, I NEVER would have guessed those lines belonged to Kitty Pryde.
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Are you really going to be focusing on a few decimal places. Smiley: dubious

Again, I have no idea what you're arguing here. I said all of the X-Men films did better than double their production cost. They all did. What on earth are you on about with "a few decimal places"?

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And Page never even remotely had a chance to do anything with the character.

Hey, if you say so. I don't think she has the chops for it based on the movies I've seen her in but that's not something I can prove short of her actually being being the lead in a superhero movie.
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#29 Nov 01 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wasn't there a planned spin-off about Gambit with Taylor Kitsch? I have not seen enough of the actor to judge him but Gambit has a pretty decent backstory. Althought the whole Marauder/Murlocks/Sinister/Sabretooth deal would be hard to implement this late into the series.
#30 Nov 01 2013 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, if you say so. I don't think she has the chops for it based on the movies I've seen her in but that's not something I can prove short of her actually being being the lead in a superhero movie.


Watch Super (directed by the dude who's directing Guardians of the Galaxy & who directed the awesome Slither). Her sidekick character rapes the male lead (Dwight from the Office) & is pretty crazy & amazing.

X-2 is still the best X-Men film & if you disagree, you're wrong. Fassbender Magento was AMAZING in First Class, but a lot of the other stuff in the movie wasn't.

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 2:23pm by Omegavegeta
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Her sidekick character rapes the male lead (Dwight from the Office) & is pretty crazy & amazing.

Haven't seen it so I can't comment on her overall performance but this doesn't seem like all that much of a bar to hurdle.

Also, Wiki says that Super cost $2.5mil to produce and raked in an astounding $327,000 at the box office Smiley: laugh
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#32 Nov 01 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
I thought it was direct to Video/On Demand/Netflix, lol. Has Kevin Bacon, Merle from TwD (& Slither, & Guardians of the Glaxy) & Liv Tyler in it too.

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 2:44pm by Omegavegeta
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#33 Nov 01 2013 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Her sidekick character rapes the male lead (Dwight from the Office) & is pretty crazy & amazing.

Haven't seen it so I can't comment on her overall performance but this doesn't seem like all that much of a bar to hurdle.

Also, Wiki says that Super cost $2.5mil to produce and raked in an astounding $327,000 at the box office Smiley: laugh


Audiences love a dominant female lead.
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#34 Nov 01 2013 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
Besides the scene I mentioned above, there's another pretty out of nowhere seen with her in it too. If you liked Kick ***, you'll like Super.
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Besides the scene I mentioned above

Wait, you're saying she actually (within the movie) rapes him? I thought you just meant she seriously out-acted the guy. Hence my "low bar" comment.

I was thinking about Woody Harrelson and how he can be entertaining in the sort of role he played in Zombieland and Natural Born Killers*. Not that I know of a superhero who would fit that personality but then thinking about Kick-*** & Super made me remember that he was in that terrible quasi-hero film Defendor. Granted he wasn't a "real" super hero in that film. Also, I think it was written by a committee. Of monkeys. On laudanum.

*While Natural Born Killers is incredibly tedious to me as a whole these days, Harrelson still did a good job with the role. Also (just to be recursive), Robert Downey Jr's performance is still fun watching.

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Besides the scene I mentioned above

Wait, you're saying she actually (within the movie) rapes him? I thought you just meant she seriously out-acted the guy. Hence my "low bar" comment.


It's not rape if a hot girl does it. Smiley: sly
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#37 Nov 01 2013 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, you're saying she actually (within the movie) rapes him?


Yes. She gets really turned on by costumes, apparently.
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#38 Nov 01 2013 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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If your goal is to build a franchise, and your first two movies are the only ones with decent returns, you have a problem. Wolverine was something of a recovery, but even their "reboot" attempt performed badly.


I'll second the questioning of labeling of this as "performing badly". The X-men franchise has done quite well. And frankly, they've focused on Wolverine, because that's the character people like the most and Hugh Jackman has done a very good job playing it. Giving fans what they want isn't usually a mistake.


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I think Ellen Page has proven that she could have easily carried Kitty Pryde into the spot light if they gave her the chance.


Honestly, I don't think the problem is with Ellen Page (I also have no opinion on whether she can pull a lead off well). The problem is with the character. Kitty Pryde just isn't that popular/interesting a character to carry a feature. She never has been. There are reasons why certain characters have had solo books, and others have not. We can debate what those reasons are specifically, but it's clear that there are characters that for one reason or another capture the interest (and money) of fans, and others that do not. Wolverine has had multiple solo titles. Spider man has as well (arguably the most solo titles in the Marvel universe). Gambit did for awhile. Punisher has had a few titles. Thor has. Hulk has. Iron man has. Captain America has (seeing a theme when it comes to the Avengers?).

Want to know who hasn't? Kitty Pryde. Storm. Cyclops. Actually, I don't believe *any* of the main X-men characters has aside from Wolverine and Gambit (and Gambit only briefly IIRC). They all work well as ensemble characters. As part of a team, they fit and fill out a book. As solo characters carrying a title by themselves? Not strong enough. That's why Wolverine has been the focus within the X-men franchise. Fair or not, he connects the stories and brings the money in.

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#39 Nov 01 2013 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
Kitty Pryde's return & arc across Whedon's run of Astonishing X-Men was pretty Kitty centric. Focused a lot on Cyclops & Colossus too. Granted he basically did Buffy with the X-Men, but still, it was pretty great.

She would not carry a movie. Fassbender Magneto already has & should. I would give Holloywood all of my dollars for a prequel to first class called Eric Lensher: **** hunter.

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#40 Nov 01 2013 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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I would give Holloywood all of my dollars for a prequel to first class called Eric Lensher: **** hunter.


Didn't they already make that?
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#41 Nov 06 2013 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
As for Kitty Pryde being a teenager, we have no clue when the future portion of this movie takes place. Is it the year after Last Stand, or is it a decade? You can tell Iceman has aged a fair bit - mid 20s at least. I have no clue, actually, how old he was supposed to be in The Last Stand. I'm going to guess he was 18, though, or nearly there. And the movie came out 8 years before DoFP.


Doesn't matter how old Kitty is in the future. The time travel works by sending a person back to their own body at that point in time. Kitty would not be able to go back to a time to when Xavier and Magneto were young men, because she hadn't been born yet. There would be no Kitty body to travel to.
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Watch Super

If I ever meet you, I am going to punch you in the neck so very, very hard for telling me this.

Dear God, that was a terrible movie.
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#43 Nov 06 2013 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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If I ever meet you, I am going to punch you in the neck so very, very hard for telling me this.

Dear God, that was a terrible movie.


Not quite what you were expecting, was it? I love to be surprised by movies, but I found myself wondering WTF i just watched after viewing.
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If I ever meet you, I am going to punch you in the neck so very, very hard for telling me this.

Dear God, that was a terrible movie.


Not quite what you were expecting, was it? I love to be surprised by movies, but I found myself wondering WTF i just watched after viewing.


And you just had to share that experience, didn't you?
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Want to know who hasn't? Kitty Pryde. Storm. Cyclops. Actually, I don't believe *any* of the main X-men characters has aside from Wolverine and Gambit
They've all had solo books.
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#46 Nov 06 2013 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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And Kitty has definitely been a pretty major character recently. Particularly with Ultimate Comics, where Wolverine is dead and she's pretty much the leader of the group.
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#47 Nov 06 2013 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Not quite what you were expecting, was it?

Actually, it had the same general tone as Defendor so that part wasn't a surprise. The fact that it sucked that much was a little surprising though. Especially since you presented it as evidence for an Ellen Page superhero vehicle.

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#49 Nov 09 2013 at 6:29 AM Rating: Default
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
As for Kitty Pryde being a teenager, we have no clue when the future portion of this movie takes place. Is it the year after Last Stand, or is it a decade? You can tell Iceman has aged a fair bit - mid 20s at least. I have no clue, actually, how old he was supposed to be in The Last Stand. I'm going to guess he was 18, though, or nearly there. And the movie came out 8 years before DoFP.


Doesn't matter how old Kitty is in the future. The time travel works by sending a person back to their own body at that point in time. Kitty would not be able to go back to a time to when Xavier and Magneto were young men, because she hadn't been born yet. There would be no Kitty body to travel to.


Initially I was thinking that was a really stupid way of time traveling, less "Back to the Future" and more "Quantum Leap" like. After thinking it over, I guess it removes the possibility of having two versions of yourself at the cost of very limited time travel. Unless I was planning on trying to change a specific moment in my life (which I gather is the plot of the movie), I wouldn't want to warp to relive a time in my life.
#50 May 23 2014 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
It's good, go see it. It's a good movie in its own right & its the first satisfying X flick since X-2. The action is well done & unlike first class, there isn't a huge gap between very good scenes and cheesy ones. Most of its very good and sometimes its exceptional (Quicksilver is ******* AWESOME).

You have to stay until the VERY end of ALL the credits to get a teaser of the next flick. I won't discuss spoilers yet, but it resolves the original trilogy pretty well and continues the story of the First Class characters excellently. Thumbs up.
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#51 May 23 2014 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Oops... I forgot there was a thread about this already... In short this was a good movie, certain things had to be retconned in order to work but it was for the better. It was far better than the trilogy, first class and both wolverine movies. Should go see it.
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