Grrr, I was xping in the Den of Rancor (entrance j-7 of Yhoator Jungle) for about 45 minutes with two other bst when a party shows up and camps just ahead of us in the tunnel.
We cannot continue since if we XP as normal, we would release our pet Puck which would aggro their party and probably cause them grief.
My question is "if a regular six member xp party was there instead of us, would you have camped on them as well?".
Edited, Thu Oct 13 10:05:18 2005 by VanyalRagnarok
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Too camp or not to camp on top of a bst party?Follow
Although I do not know any of these individuals personally, my answer would have to be probably. Although I consider it highly rude to camp on top of another party, or even to take parties mobs if the area can not support more than 1-2 parties, I have felt recently like I am the only one that feels that way. Sorry you had that experience.
My party had 2 bsts in Bibiki the other day pulling Catoblepas RIGHT OVER/PAST us with the Tragopan we needed to exp off. True, we could have used gobs(and did for awhile). But then they started standing basicly next to us, DCing our RDM and BLM twice individually, and causing our NIN to relog.
But yeh, I don't think parties should be camping on top of each other ina reas like that.
But yeh, I don't think parties should be camping on top of each other ina reas like that.
I feel a bit better now after a few hours has gone by.
The reason we went to the Den of Rancor was because Bibiki Bay and Boyahda Tree were crazy crowded.
When I checked to see how many people were in the Den, there was a total of two people. So when me and the rest of my bst party got there, we increased the number of people by 150%.
I usually go to the Den so I don't have to worry about hindering other parties or other parties hindering me etc. When I XP solo, I would usually give up a camping spot to a regular xp party if they appear after I have used up the free 1k xp from the empress band. So far, I have given up the camp twice in two days when I was soloing there. Once to a blm75/rdm who was soloing those crazy and dangerous monkeys and the second time to a mid60s party who told me to stay and XP ~ but I decided to give up the camp, wave goodbye and tele out of there >>> so being polite and nice will sometimes pay off.
The main reason why I will usually give up a camp (when I was there first) will be because the other party is friendly and polite....I can always find something else to do like crafting, so XPing isn't usually a big deal for me.
The reason we went to the Den of Rancor was because Bibiki Bay and Boyahda Tree were crazy crowded.
When I checked to see how many people were in the Den, there was a total of two people. So when me and the rest of my bst party got there, we increased the number of people by 150%.
I usually go to the Den so I don't have to worry about hindering other parties or other parties hindering me etc. When I XP solo, I would usually give up a camping spot to a regular xp party if they appear after I have used up the free 1k xp from the empress band. So far, I have given up the camp twice in two days when I was soloing there. Once to a blm75/rdm who was soloing those crazy and dangerous monkeys and the second time to a mid60s party who told me to stay and XP ~ but I decided to give up the camp, wave goodbye and tele out of there >>> so being polite and nice will sometimes pay off.
The main reason why I will usually give up a camp (when I was there first) will be because the other party is friendly and polite....I can always find something else to do like crafting, so XPing isn't usually a big deal for me.
To be honest when that happens to me, i continue as usually. If my mob after release aggroes and kills them, too bad.
They decided to camp on top, why should bst limit their xp or change their strategy because of an inconsiderate party.
Its not mpk if they camp on a spot you release your mob and you warn them not to camp there.
Happens in GC all the tiem when you fighting bombs in the tunnel solo.
They decided to camp on top, why should bst limit their xp or change their strategy because of an inconsiderate party.
Its not mpk if they camp on a spot you release your mob and you warn them not to camp there.
Happens in GC all the tiem when you fighting bombs in the tunnel solo.
Camping etiquette has seem to gone out the window lately. I'm all for sharing camps when possible with whoever, but I can honestly say, yeah had you been a regular party, it probably would have still happened. Last few times I was at a camp with a regular party that could only comfortably hold one party we've had other parties come camp on us after we had been there all night minding our own business forcing us to either move or break party.
But I'm sure it's worst for BST parties. People seem to think BSTS have a wider array of options open to them and don't like sharing space with the job for some reason. I've been in parties who did not want to share prey and kept pulling the pets of BST duos who were leveling nearby. I've also been in parties that accidently pulled released pets of BST parties nearby, mainly because there is an adjustment for normal parties when sharing space/camps with BSTs. Many just aren't up for it and would rather drive them out to another area so they don't have to deal with it.
I know I'll be taking up the job soon and am hoping to be creative with where I go to fight just to avoid people who tend to have some sort of bias against people who want to level the job and not be willing to share space as they would with other parties. Sorry you had to go through it.
But I'm sure it's worst for BST parties. People seem to think BSTS have a wider array of options open to them and don't like sharing space with the job for some reason. I've been in parties who did not want to share prey and kept pulling the pets of BST duos who were leveling nearby. I've also been in parties that accidently pulled released pets of BST parties nearby, mainly because there is an adjustment for normal parties when sharing space/camps with BSTs. Many just aren't up for it and would rather drive them out to another area so they don't have to deal with it.
I know I'll be taking up the job soon and am hoping to be creative with where I go to fight just to avoid people who tend to have some sort of bias against people who want to level the job and not be willing to share space as they would with other parties. Sorry you had to go through it.
its widly known that 6 person parties HATE bsts, b/c they think that bsts steal "their" mobs, when bsts are exping just the same as they are, and i admit, i don't like partying near a bst either, but sometimes its hard not to, Garliage, Boyhada, Cape Terrigan sometimes as well, i say that depending on the bsts(if its a party of bsts or just a single) tthey should bow down and leave, if its a party of bsts, then it all depends who was there first, imo
My feeling on the matter is this:
If the two groups concerned can party in the same area without causing either one to be threatened by the other, then it is acceptable.
If one group moving in later on an established group causes the first group's exp to drop to an unacceptable level (due to closeness of fights, reduction in pullable mobs), then whoever arrived later may be asked to leave. They don't have to, but they will not endear themselves to othe players if they don't.
If one group moves in later and deliberately threatens the other group's party or does not seem to care (e.g. Garlaige Citadel basement, party camping at bones side fighting bats/beetles, BST moves in using bats vs. hellmines and dragging them both ways along the tunnel), then I would deem that unacceptable, and grounds for a GM call on account of "griefing" the established group.
If I was in VanyalRagnarok's place, I would have warned the party that moved in that "I have been here for 45mins, will continue to exp as normal which may cause aggro mobs to be released close to you, as you chose to come and camp here when you knew there were 3 BST at this camp [presumably your search comment stated where you were] then your group is at fault if you die.", and if they disregarded the warning, then let them face the consequences.
I would similarly warn any BST(s) [or powerleveled people I have started noticing, even 50+ now] that moved into an established camp and deliberately pulled the mobs we were exp-ing on, that it could be considered griefing and may result in a GM call if it becomes unacceptable.
I almost did this a few weeks ago but the person was kind enough to leave (48MNK being powerleveled at Gustav Tunnel, valkurm side).
I have zero time for people that are powereleveled post-35 - if you can't get a party for ANY reason (not just that you're not an "in-demand" job), then maybe it's not just the job you're playing that's the problem.
I see BST(s) as just another person wanting to level their job themselves (or in a duo/trio as it may be) - they have every right to the camp as you do if they got there first.
I know the "we got here first nya nya you gotta leave" doesn't always hold true for some people, but for me it does. If someone has even a modicum of intelligence they can check search comments to find out where people are partying, and if they move in on that camp they can expect a backlash.
Short version:
Group B moves in on Group A after 45mins - Group B should be expected to relinquish camp to Group A.
Group B moves in on Group A and deliberately threatens them - Group B should expect a GM call.
If the two groups concerned can party in the same area without causing either one to be threatened by the other, then it is acceptable.
If one group moving in later on an established group causes the first group's exp to drop to an unacceptable level (due to closeness of fights, reduction in pullable mobs), then whoever arrived later may be asked to leave. They don't have to, but they will not endear themselves to othe players if they don't.
If one group moves in later and deliberately threatens the other group's party or does not seem to care (e.g. Garlaige Citadel basement, party camping at bones side fighting bats/beetles, BST moves in using bats vs. hellmines and dragging them both ways along the tunnel), then I would deem that unacceptable, and grounds for a GM call on account of "griefing" the established group.
If I was in VanyalRagnarok's place, I would have warned the party that moved in that "I have been here for 45mins, will continue to exp as normal which may cause aggro mobs to be released close to you, as you chose to come and camp here when you knew there were 3 BST at this camp [presumably your search comment stated where you were] then your group is at fault if you die.", and if they disregarded the warning, then let them face the consequences.
I would similarly warn any BST(s) [or powerleveled people I have started noticing, even 50+ now] that moved into an established camp and deliberately pulled the mobs we were exp-ing on, that it could be considered griefing and may result in a GM call if it becomes unacceptable.
I almost did this a few weeks ago but the person was kind enough to leave (48MNK being powerleveled at Gustav Tunnel, valkurm side).
I have zero time for people that are powereleveled post-35 - if you can't get a party for ANY reason (not just that you're not an "in-demand" job), then maybe it's not just the job you're playing that's the problem.
I see BST(s) as just another person wanting to level their job themselves (or in a duo/trio as it may be) - they have every right to the camp as you do if they got there first.
I know the "we got here first nya nya you gotta leave" doesn't always hold true for some people, but for me it does. If someone has even a modicum of intelligence they can check search comments to find out where people are partying, and if they move in on that camp they can expect a backlash.
Short version:
Group B moves in on Group A after 45mins - Group B should be expected to relinquish camp to Group A.
Group B moves in on Group A and deliberately threatens them - Group B should expect a GM call.
Windblade wrote:
My party had 2 bsts in Bibiki the other day pulling Catoblepas RIGHT OVER/PAST us with the Tragopan we needed to exp off. True, we could have used gobs(and did for awhile). But then they started standing basicly next to us, DCing our RDM and BLM twice individually, and causing our NIN to relog.
But yeh, I don't think parties should be camping on top of each other ina reas like that.
But yeh, I don't think parties should be camping on top of each other ina reas like that.
So they DCed because the BST? lmao man...
IMO, Beastmasters has the same rights as for the rest. If you see BST PT in a camp, you should act like if you see a normal PT there, which is find another place to exp or another camp to go.
If you want respect, first respect us.
Personally, if I go to a camp and it is occupied by BSTs, I find another camp.
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My party had 2 bsts in Bibiki the other day pulling Catoblepas RIGHT OVER/PAST us with the Tragopan we needed to exp off. True, we could have used gobs(and did for awhile). But then they started standing basicly next to us, DCing our RDM and BLM twice individually, and causing our NIN to relog.
Over and/or Past does not translate to ON TOP of all the time. I've exped in Bibiki Bay before doing exactly what you just mentioned and no pt has ever complained to my duo or I. If the added graphics force you to d/c, that's your problem, not mine, Get a better computer.
Also, BST need to use Tragopan as pets, so either accept the fact that if a BST is there you aren't going to have every single bird in the zone to yourself, or go back to Boyahda Tree.
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its widly known that 6 person parties HATE bsts, b/c they think that bsts steal "their" mobs, when bsts are exping just the same as they are, and i admit, i don't like partying near a bst either, but sometimes its hard not to, Garliage, Boyhada, Cape Terrigan sometimes as well, i say that depending on the bsts(if its a party of bsts or just a single) tthey should bow down and leave, if its a party of bsts, then it all depends who was there first, imo
If I'm soloing in a spot and you ever show up and expect me to leave so you can exp, you'll be the one bowing down so you can see read my taru lips when I reply "Over mine and my pets dead bodies."
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its widly known that 6 person parties HATE bsts, b/c they think that bsts steal "their" mobs, when bsts are exping just the same as they are, and i admit, i don't like partying near a bst either, but sometimes its hard not to, Garliage, Boyhada, Cape Terrigan sometimes as well, i say that depending on the bsts(if its a party of bsts or just a single) tthey should bow down and leave, if its a party of bsts, then it all depends who was there first, imo
1 bst exp'ing = 1 party. Period.
If that bst were there first, then they were the party that was there first. If they decide to move, then they are doing you a favor, not the other way around. Just as if a party moved for you. Personally, I wouldn't move for you if you told me too. That's just me.
Since a bst has far more control over the mobs they are fighting in the area you would have wandered upon (closer to the mobs levels, can charm not only the pets, but likely the prey too), you will find it quite hard to outcompete any good bst. I don't think many bsts will feel inclined to "bow down" to a party 10 levels below them.
I guess a good rule is, try talking to them. I myself am more than willing to work with a pt if they are respectful to me or my bst party. You might find that a bst over your shoulder is a very wonderful thing when your pt gets links or pops. Beastmasters are not the plague.
I'm with Shuffles on this one.
Personally, I've had enough of people coming to camp on top of me, -after- I'd been there a few hours already, then telling me to **** off. I've had enough of people abusing me in /tells, /shouts, /say. I've had enough of people threatening me when I refuse to leave, just because 6 people apparently have priority over 1, even if the 1 was there much earlier. I've had enough of parties killing my pets in the hopes I'd die or leave.
I've had enough.
In that situation, I'd just continue EXP'ing uninterrupted as if nothing had changed, -after- warning them of potential danger from aggro pets. In the event they camp on top of me nonetheless, and someone gets aggro, or their party zenmetsu... That's just too bad.
I won't even slow my XP by stopping and wasting MP on Raise.
Personally, I've had enough of people coming to camp on top of me, -after- I'd been there a few hours already, then telling me to **** off. I've had enough of people abusing me in /tells, /shouts, /say. I've had enough of people threatening me when I refuse to leave, just because 6 people apparently have priority over 1, even if the 1 was there much earlier. I've had enough of parties killing my pets in the hopes I'd die or leave.
I've had enough.
In that situation, I'd just continue EXP'ing uninterrupted as if nothing had changed, -after- warning them of potential danger from aggro pets. In the event they camp on top of me nonetheless, and someone gets aggro, or their party zenmetsu... That's just too bad.
I won't even slow my XP by stopping and wasting MP on Raise.
Bst75 here,
I won't leave a spot if I was there first, unless there are friends in the other pt. But usually if there are friends in the other pt they find another spot..
I also wouldn't hesitate to release aggro-mobs that I use as pets, I warn the other pt and then it's their problem as they choose to camp there.
I won't leave a spot if I was there first, unless there are friends in the other pt. But usually if there are friends in the other pt they find another spot..
I also wouldn't hesitate to release aggro-mobs that I use as pets, I warn the other pt and then it's their problem as they choose to camp there.
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