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Well as far as Christmas, it's a paegan holiday anyway. Most biblical scholars agree that Christ was born in the spring, not the dead of winter, given the position of the stars and other contextual references. I personally think celebrating Dec. 25th as the birth of Christ is pretty sacriligious. I have a Christmas tree up in my house, but I refuse to put a star or angel on top or a nativity scene underneath. I have a Santa on top (I call him the Christmas Warlock, since he's holding a staff of sorts), and a village/train underneath.

Being fair and nice to everyone doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your own opinions about what's right or correct in your private/personal conduct, it just means that public interactions should take diversity and civility into account. Some of being P.C. is more semantics than anything else, but I fail to see how it hurts you to be considerate of others (and I mean that as a general "you", not you specifically Ayaz). Free speech, sure, I'm all for it. But that doesn't mean you have to be a jerk either.

Very thought provoking; Your post brings to mind that old John Lennon song - "Imagine" . One of my favorites, however that's probably not going to be until 'heaven' or whatever that is we believe, if we believe in life everlasting; lol.

Putting any political affiliations or inclinations aside, I find the whole White House Christmas card fiasco amusing, but totally, 100% right on as far as we are are in society today. We have gone so far out of our way to defend what should be simple human, individual rights that we literally stumble over other rights. It's just funny.

I belive in the right to fee speech, to worship whatever *god* I or anyone else choose to believe in, to allow all men and women to live, love and marry whomever they choose and to not be racist or discriminatory. I judge people by their own self and actions and how they treat me and others.

That being said, (and I know I rambled) I believe in differences! I love difference - that's why we have men and women; cats and dogs; why I chose Mithra instead of hume...hehe

I want to enjoy my right to have my own personal beliefs and free thinking mind and not to be a conformist; but I also want to keep my personal beliefs separate and not always let them influence my actions that could hurt others.

So, I would say thank God first of all for creating creatures who can think for themselves with free spirit and will, and then for placing us all in a free society such as America.

Why do we suppose our *creator* did that?

/em wishes Holiday Cheer!

Loki, looks like it's your turn for me to pick on you :)



Do you even know why we celebrate Christmas in the US? Better question, do you know why Federal buildings and banks close on Christmas? It's because Christmas was made into a federal holiday by none other President Ulysses S Grant and ratified by Congress.

"Why?" you may ask? Because the entire country was founded on the teachings of Jesus Christ. Christmas was made into a federal holiday to honor Him and the effect that He had on the founding and creation of this country. So what if 80% of our country considers themselves to be Christian? It's meant to honor the person who's teachings lead to documents such as the Declaration of Independance and the Bill of Rights.

Sorry if this sounds sacriligeous, but to me celebrating Christmas is no different than honoring Martin Luther King on Martin Luther King Day, Abraham Lincoln/George Washington on President's Day, war veterans on Veteran's Day, or any other federal holiday aimed at honoring an individual or a group of individuals.



Now forgive me if I'm wrong...but how does this relate to **** Germany or Soviet Russia exactly? If memory serves me right, those two dictatorships were based on exclusionism. No one in the US *ever* said that you *have* to celebrate Christmas. The way it looks to me, it's the people who try to get holidays like Christmas removed that are practicing exclusionism. That puts *them* in league with **** Germany and Soviet Russia than a Christian wishing to practice their faith.

The fact is, if you were an American citizen you could talk to your state/local/federal repreentatives to get it done. They can put it up for a vote. From there, it's the will of "the people" to get it passed or denied.



You've got it wrong, it wasn't the pagans. They also weren't trying to displace other cultures. Suprisingly, the date was moved in an attempt to gain a bigger following than...of all people...the Mithrans. Christians and Mithrans were both upcoming, competing religious sects at the time. In order to get a following greater than the Mithrans, they changed the date of their "holy day" to December 25th...the date of the Mithran holy day. Eventually, Christianity came out ahead and the Mithrans became extinct.



I find it odd that you should say that.

Canada has prided itself on becoming increasingly liberal compared to America, but it always seems to bite them in the butt. With Vietnam, they touted their open borders and opposition to the war...yet complained when Americans fled there to avoid the draft. Over the past few years, they've touted lower drug costs compared to America...but complained that the costs are rising because more and more Americans are buying drugs from Canada.

Loki, you may not like the direction that America is headed. That's perfectly fine, you don't have to agree with it. Just know that it's headed that way because the people WE elected are making it head that way. If the country is heading in a direction that we don't like, WE are able to change it by voting. In other words, don't weep for them. Encourage them to get off their lazy asses and do something about it.

I think people are a little too pc but then again where do you draw the line between edgy and inappropriate you kind of have to know someones limitations but I think people need to lighten up in general

I read somewhere a while back that certain elementary schools were removing the word "loser" from school sports and academic activities. I don't remember that the replacement word was, but that's not the point. Which do you think hurts a kid more:

1) Never being called a loser so your feelings can never be hurt, or

2) Never realizing that it's possible to lose...until you get into the real world

Greatness never came from trying to be just as good as everyone else.

I would have to agree that the school scenarios take P.C. to absurd extremes. My basic argument is for treating people with respect. There is no reason not be truthful or honest when dealing with others - it's just how it's presented. Bragging or insulting others is the quickest way to lose my respect. To the extent that kids are calling others "losers" and putting "L"s to their foreheads, if I were a teacher or coach I'd discourage that behavior and try to get them to understand what beeing a good winner is about (just 'cuz you won doesn't give you the right to talk down to someone else). But I wouldn't try to hide the fact that someone lost a game. Losing is part of life. The lesson to be learned is that losing once in a while doesn't make you a worthless person. I know plenty of quotes about failure being the opportunity to try again or make yourself better in some way. If your child feels bad because other kids are smarter than him/her, use that as a jumping off point for challenging them to strive for the honor roll themselves, and do what you can to help them succeed.