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Vana'diel Bestiary: Mee Deggi the Punisher  

Family:Yagudo
Found in:Castle Oztroja
Job:Monk
Level:35 - 36
Flags:
  • Notorious Monster
  • Aggro
  • Linking
  • Detects by Sight
  • Based on Wind
  • Weak against Ice
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Updated: Sun Jun 6 00:39:17 2010

Mee Deggi the Punisher Picture

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General Information

    • Respawn time is approximately one to six hours after its last Time of Death.

  • Susceptible to Bind, Gravity, Sleep, Stun, Slow, and Paralysis.

    • Mee Deggi the Punisher will always drop either the Impact Knuckles or the Ochimusha Kote, with a far higher probability of dropping the Impact Knuckles.

Mee Deggi the Punisher's Special Attacks

  • Double Kick - Single target two-hit physical damage with an additional Stun effect.

  • Feather Storm - Single target physical damage with an additional Poison effect.

  • Parry - Self target Defense boost effect (Effect can be dispelled).

  • Sweep - AoE physical damage with an additional Stun effect (Circle of effect originates from mob).

  • Hundred Fists - Self target potent Attack speed boost effect.

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Fairy's Bots
# Jul 17 2006 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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On Fairy I have seen a lot of people who camp this NM for gil,to use them, and gilsellers and their purpose. The upgrade that "Help" the fellow adventure trying to get the treasure didn't really help anyone at all. I recently tried on camping this NM again and I'm so disappointed on how Square Enix do a horrible job on trying to help us. Today I saw the worst thing you can possible see while camping this NM. There were one person in each side with the same Linkshell or no shell all /anon and no answer from them. When the NM pops they all some how target the NM and /autofollow it. Which I personally think is some sort of bot system or something. I would really wish SE would do something about this. There's no way all the people camping this NM can know that he poped and some how target and autofollow him. In the Auto history there's one named repeated 3-4 time in the kote and in the kyhanas.

I wonder if there's something done about this, but Square Enix doesn't learn until people complain for years. ~.~

I guess this could be a rant. I'm just real tierd of being beaten by bots/gilsellers. The price of these are around 4.2mil-3.5mil. I don't really know how to make lots of money in the game and I get all my good armor by actually camping the NM for it. This is the only one that has really been a pain.
Fairy's Bots
# Jul 27 2006 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me share my pain in the *** story. First of all, yes, the auto-follow is a bot. On Garuda we have 3-8 gilsellers camping Mee and Quu at any given time and they all use this bot.

I camped these guys for a month straight, only getting 11 claims on Mee and 10 claims on Quu. At that point I was totally pissed off and decided to give up. The night before last, it had been about a week since I had been there so I decided to do a search and see how many people were in the area. To my suprise there were ZERO gilseller. I stopped what I was doing right away and headed to castle oztroja. After 20 hours of straight camping (with a 4 hour break during maintenance for sleep) I had gotten 10 out of 11 claims on Mee and guess what...I STILL DON'T HAVE ANY @#%^ING KOTE!!!

Midway through the night the gilseller slowly started popping back in. This was the second time since I started camping Mee that the GMs "suspended" the botters for a period of a few days. WTF!!! If you have enough proof to suspend them you should be banning them FOR GOOD!!!

0/21 on drops is @#%^ing rediculous...almost as rediculous as suspending botters for 3 days out of every month and letting them come back. @#%^ YOU SE!!!

Edited, Jul 27th 2006 at 1:23pm EDT by GarudaCromax
Damn GS/RMTs
# Jul 10 2006 at 11:20 PM Rating: Decent
This is to everyone in Ifrit... there are exactly 7 of them camping this NM. Their names are Smoking, Soulli, Souli, Pens, Laxou, Sinobi, and Sinob. These effers have been there for more than 2 years and it's tough to beat em unless you know the pop pattern. Everytime i got a claim it was because they either d/ced or it popped in front of me. (I always had help cause THF50/WAR25 can't solo this @$$) Anyone who wants to help me camp this NM send me a /tell anytime and i'll go, everyone who has helped me with camping has also gotten another drop, so everyone interested in beating GS/RMTs send my char Devasiddhi a /tell and we'll start to see a hell lot of progress in beating them after 2nd pop. Oh and btw the GMs aren't doing much to get rid of them so it's up to us to beat them. Ok everyone else... wish you all good luck and may the GS/RMTs be gone 4ever!!!


POWER TO THE REBELLION!!!!!!!!!!

Edited, Jul 11th 2006 at 12:22am EDT by Devasiddhi
durka durka
# Jul 07 2006 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure if this is true.. but it's worked every spawn I've seen. If you can establish a positive ID on the last ToD, wait about 1 hour and 20 minutes, and clear the room of all Yags. It usually will pop up anywhere from 10-30 minutes later. I've seen this done just about everytime I've camped it, and it's never failed. I'm not sure if they just changed the PH, or got rid of it, or if you actually have to clear the room to get to spawn. But I've never waited for it to pop longer than 2 hours by using this method.
durka durka
# Jul 25 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
There is no placeholder. For instance, Mysticmaker Profblix has no placeholder (but its a timed pop).

Mee Deggi the Punisher and Quu Domi the Gallant no longer have a placeholder but behave as before:

After death it won't spawn for 1 hour. Then it can pop as soon as the one hour ends or it can as long as eight. No yagudo need to be killed to get it to pop. If you feel that killing other yagudos will help then kill the other yagudo. You'll kick yourself being engaged when it pops.
What level?
# Jul 05 2006 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Could a 48 SAM/24 WAR Solo this guy? What about Quu? Thanks.
What level?
# Jul 14 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, you can solo both NMs without even using a 2hr at your level. Both NMs are 35-36. Good luck.
Botting!!!
# Jun 20 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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just got claim like 20 mins ago. seen The Punisher runnin around unclaimed so i'm like "oh ****!" and i cast a dia (DRG73/WHM36) i forgot my dia macro has an equip. change in it so i was hopin i'd get claim after delay. but i did. after i take em out (impact knuckles) i get accused of botting... how can i bot on the ps2? lol!
placeholder
# Jun 19 2006 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
i was told the placeholder is the yag that goes in the water around the platform

got claim once after camping for 4 hrs only got impact knuckles


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RE: placeholder
# Jun 25 2006 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
Molevolent wrote:
i was told the placeholder is the yag that goes in the water around the platform

got claim once after camping for 4 hrs only got impact knuckles


Before the update, the placeholder was the yagudo that walked on the water. Since the update there is no longer a placeholder. Nothing needs to die. Mee Deggi the Punisher will pop every 1-5 hours... and apparently as long as 8.


The update which this occured
FFXI wrote:
The conditions under which the following notorious monsters appear have been altered:
Castle Oztroja: Mee Deggi the Punisher, Quu Domi the Gallant
Sea Serpent Grotto: Pahh the Gullcaller, Worr the Clawfisted, Novv the Whitehearted, Zuug the Shoreleaper
Pop pattern
# Jun 12 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
I really need these gloves for my NIN but these damn GS/RMTs won't let me get the damn things...
I once made an alliance of 12 members and we didn't claim him!!! wtf is that!? i go back to try again and see this guy(non-RMT)beating them 4 times in a row on both Quu Domi and Mee and he didn't get drop once, so i ask him if he wants to team up with my 50 THF cause i have TH2 right and when i get invited he gets sent to Mordion Gaol!!! Those RMTs are a pain in the @$$!!! so i need someone to tell me the pop pattern this guy has cause i really need this drop. I'l greatly appreciate it.
Rare/Ex kote's?
# Jun 05 2006 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone on my LS has told me that SE has made the kote's rare/ex. I was extremely excited to hear this as i don't really want to farm for a month to get them. Anyways, just curious if this is true or not. Thanks in advance.
NOT 1-5 hours
# Jun 10 2006 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
i have now been in Oz for over 8 hours and mee deggi has not spawned once. i didn't miss the spawn, i'm positive, we have a team of three. last time i seem to be able to confirm a pop was 18 hours ago. having talked to people i know showed up in between my loggin off @ last spawn and sleeping for a few hours, they say they didn;t see him in that time...i feel liek a pathetic waste of space right now to say the least...domi however seem sto pop either 1:15 after death and up to 3 hours after death on the mark, and pops at exact 15 minute intervals between 1:15 and 3 hours...

EDIT: just spawned....and i got confirmation that it did indeed spawn right before i logged on. having pooled a lot of info from as many people as i could, Deggi has spawned EXACTLY 8 hours from ToD for about 32-40 hours now. not to say he's ALWAYS 8 hours, but that's been the case for almost 3 days now... they made an already gay ******* nm even gayer appoearantly... i'm dying for teh day this **** finally does get made r/e cause adding teh h.hote as an alternate has done absolute **** to stop the insanity that is Soulli, Pens, and Smoking on the Ifrit server for a year and a half now...

Edited, Sat Jun 10 01:02:02 2006
So popular
# Jun 05 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
I camped this guy for the first time the other day (3 hours and no pop) but there where 11 people there (not including my friend and me) camping this thing. IMO that's just crazy.

My friend and I were running around in circles around the island thing. Other than us, Not a person moved. My friend and I (in out boredom) decided to start shouting tying to get any responces, but didn't get a single one.

So popular
# Jul 07 2006 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Were you able to claim him? Did you also notice how there is 2 people in each corner with no linkshell, and all appear to be level 50 mnk/thfs with purple belt and very similar equip? Also notice when it pops by you, it practically pops claimed? And how all of them are on autofollow and on top of deggi within a few moments of it popping? Its pretty obvious. They are the Deggi botting gilsellers of siren, and they have deggi almost completely monopolized. I tried it for a while but I just couldn't get the claim. They got it every time.

There are also 3 more of the same group at quu domi, but sometimes it pops out of their sight range. I managed to get the claim once in that way.
No Placeholder
# Jun 03 2006 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
Mee Deggi the Punisher (as well as Quu Domi the Gallant) will pop every 1-5 hours. There is no placeholder.
New Spawn Conditions
# Jun 02 2006 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
I am understanding there is no longer a Placeholder? That Mee deggi and Quu the gallant will just pop randomly like HNM's do?
Observed Pop Conditions
# May 30 2006 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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The conditions under which the following notorious monsters appear have been altered:
Castle Oztroja: Mee Deggi the Punisher, Quu Domi the Gallant
Sea Serpent Grotto: Pahh the Gullcaller, Worr the Clawfisted, Novv the Whitehearted, Zuug the Shoreleaper


After camping Mee Deggi the Punisher and Quu Domi the Gallant, it appears they have been changed in the following fashion:

It will pop between between 1 and 5 hours after death (as before) but there is no longer a placeholder. That is, Mee Deggi the Punisher no longer depends on the Interrogator/Drummer (that walks on water) to be killed. Likewise the Herald/Oracle (that walks on water) no longer needs to be killed for Quu Domi the Gallant to pop.

Edit: Spelling Correction

Edited, Tue May 30 14:39:37 2006
New Spawn Time
# May 29 2006 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
I saw on Play Online that this NM has new spawn time can anyone tell me what it is I really want these gloves but don't wanna wait finding he is a 24 hour spawn
*nod* In the year 2000
# May 28 2006 at 7:04 AM Rating: Default
A bunch of gil sellers will go on vacation and Mee Deggi will instead be camped by monopolizers. After their vacation, the sellers will come back and say, "WTF, stop gil saving up, you're ruining the economy".
people quit complaining
# May 23 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
you know....everyone is getting upsept about the Gilfarmers and such. What you fail to realize is that all you people who are camping this NM to get the drop just to put in the AH and sell are doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale. So if you are one of those people stop complaining about the gilsellers and the 3rd party software. Let the people who NEED this camp it and you others who just wanna make gil STOP IT!
people quit complaining
# Aug 06 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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you know....everyone is getting upsept about the Gilfarmers and such. What you fail to realize is that all you people who are camping this NM to get the drop just to put in the AH and sell are doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale. So if you are one of those people stop complaining about the gilsellers and the 3rd party software. Let the people who NEED this camp it and you others who just wanna make gil STOP IT!


lol... No one "needs" it! It is a nice piece for hands but needed? No! If it would be "needed" to complete some kind of Mission or Quest...ok.
This is in fact a money NM and whoever wants to make some money should camp. I dont replay to the 3rd party tool because most of us use such tools anyway even if its just windower. Furthermore Gilsellers can be outclaimed/tricked or just MPK'ed (which i prefer) ;) Go ahead and take the challenge, SE will never change anything as long they earn enough money.

btw. Its True. After 1 hour, kill all Yags around, he will most likley pop shortly after! If no one kills, it can take hours and hours.
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people quit complaining
# Aug 06 2006 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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you know....everyone is getting upsept about the Gilfarmers and such. What you fail to realize is that all you people who are camping this NM to get the drop just to put in the AH and sell are doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale. So if you are one of those people stop complaining about the gilsellers and the 3rd party software. Let the people who NEED this camp it and you others who just wanna make gil STOP IT!


lol... No one "needs" it! It is a nice piece for hands but needed? No! If it would be "needed" to complete some kind of Mission or Quest...ok.
This is in fact a money NM and whoever wants to make some money should camp. I dont replay to the 3rd party tool because most of us use such tools anyway even if its just windower. Furthermore Gilsellers can be outclaimed/tricked or just MPK'ed (which i prefer) ;) Go ahead and take the challenge, SE will never change anything as long they earn enough money.
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Camping
# May 16 2006 at 6:55 PM Rating: Default
if you want to tell the diffrence between ph and other mobs the ph will be walking in tthe water the normal one wounlt theres like 2 ph before BAM he spawns when i went camping
Some real info
# May 10 2006 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
I read through here and saw lots of complaining and lots of sordid info, but nothing very definitive. Some people attempted to provide useful info, but it was very confused and poorly written. So I decided to go camp Mee Deggi and see what his WS list looked like.

As best I can tell, it looks like this:

Cutter
Cutter
Cutter
Cutter
Cutter
Cutter
Yagudo
Herald
Yagudo
Oracle
Yagudo's
Elemental
Yagudo
Interrogator/ Yagudo Drummer <---- PH
Yagudo
Lutenist
Yagudo
Zealot
Yagudo
Conquistador
Yagudo
Prior

Ok, so there's the basic list. Now, if other Yags share spawns like the Interrogator and Drummer do, then the list will always be a little different. But te key things to note are The 6 Cutters and the Yagudo Prior. The Cutters are all in the same place and the Prior is above the courtyard on the ledges; so no one kills him. If you pay attention to those spots you'll always note when either the Yag Drummer or the Yag Interrogator spawn.

Ok, so apparently the update also changed how Mee Deggi spawns. Each of the PH spawn roughly 5 in game hours after death. But Mee Deggi spawns differently. Once his cool down time is over, he can spawn at any time after the PH is killed, from 0 in game hours to 5. So, if you know that his cool down time is up, keep vigilant through the entire wait time.

And further it seems that his spawn window is 1-3 hours, not just one hour, putting the average at about 1.5 hours.

And of course it seems that his drop rate is quite low.

So, there's the info. Happy Camping.



RE: Some real info
# May 17 2006 at 2:18 AM Rating: Good
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This is how the people who whine about never getting claim camp. The best way to tell PH without Wide Scan: Watch the gilsellers. It is their JOB to camp Mee/Quu. After the 1st year or so, theyre just about professionals. Watch what they calim, why they claim it, what makes that mob special. Soon enough you will figure it out, as I have. I even shared it with the public, for those of you who use this page for INFO rather than WHINING. Thanks for the tips, though, as i am sure it will help newer campers. Keep posting helpful stuff, rate up^^
RE: Some real info
# May 15 2006 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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Awesome, thanks for the tip(s). I myself cannot use WS because I camp MNK/THF like the oldschool gilsellers did.lmao. But anyway.

Just to kind of confirm what you say here, I camped this evening. I did not even see him spawn, the gilseller started running behind me and by the time I could turn the camera, mee was claimed. So anyway. I waited an hour, started killing the PH every 5min. Nothing yet, couldnt figure out why.
2 hours now. The window has been open an hour now, its been 2since he died last. Nothing yet still. I went ahead and logged off for the night, but I plan to camp atleast a solid 5-7 hours tomorrow for my free time.

IMO, before this update it was not required for them to use claim bots because it was all about timing and numbers, just have enough characters cover the major spawn areas and everyone flee at the right time, you'd have high claim chances. Now it appears that since its too much manpower to constantly watch 5 minutes solid between PH spawns, that they've resorted to claim bots. Possibly speedhack.

I've been camping mee for a year now off and on, and I've never once believed these sellers used bots in any sort because I knew how they timed the flee macros and PH timers, etc etc. Now I am just completely outclassed, but they can sit there and cover every inch of the area and claim within seconds. Before, it use to be a matter of luck- I could claim if the spawn was on the same side of the area as me. I still had the spawn time so i could flee properly and know when he'd spawn. Now its a complete tossup, leaving me helpless. This has to be fixed...
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don't see the big problem
# May 09 2006 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
I camped this as a 42 mnk. ok a tat too low for here. aggro a bit but nothing I could not handle.
two other people camping as well in a party. NM popped I chi blast got the claim. he almost kicked my *** but I just killed him by a small margin. no drop. It is not impossable to beat other campers.

do what the sellers or smart people do. get a party together and fight for it.
solo?
# May 06 2006 at 7:06 AM Rating: Default
would i be ok to solo camp this as 52drg/22whm??
RE: solo?
# May 07 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Yes you can. Im a 53 mnk and I have no problems doing it. However, sometimes I have to 2hr if I get any links. Lots of people seem to be rude. I'll take links for anyone else if they claim the NM(cept gilsellers) but others are rude and just watch you die. I'd suggest Killing 2 or 3 yags, then go up top and kill the 2-3 on the central tower and using that as a resting area. (its the safest spot really).

FYI, most will be too weak to easy prey. Very low easy prey. Level 50 will get aggro from some oracles. Level 52 is aggro free but its still a nice lil challenge to stay alive. :)
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Warning--Rant.
# Apr 30 2006 at 7:56 PM Rating: Default
Well, first i'll start off with a tip. Be careful of ******** when you camp this NM.

Saturday night (4/29) I was camping Mee Deggi along with 3 friends. I have been doing this off and on since they modified his spawn, and figured out a good way to do things, so i've been using it. Saturday night i was lucky enough to snag a claim (67SAM/33WAR) and kill it. No drop. I return to Mee Deggi's area over an hour later after killing Quu Domi (again, no drop) and wasnt there for maybe 15 minutes, and i see the ...Now Loading... icon flashing in the bottom right corner of my TV screen. Note the TV screen, i play on PS2.

I think, "Wth, im nowhere near any zones." then the usual black zone screen. I appear, in Mordion Gaol. A few seconds later i am joined by a GM, who proceeds to tell me that i have been using third party software (on my ps2? O_o unusual?) and i got 3 days suspension.

It wouldnt have angered me so, if i hadnt been calling GMs for months to try and get Oldmen and Chinesedragon banned for using third party stuff, and they never did a thing. Now that Oldmen and Chinesedragon are gone after the recent update, people are calling foul on anyone that gets a claim, i guess. And even without proof, GMs are taking action. I would honestly love to know who called the GM on me..people, please don't immediately assume that someone is using other programs to cheat solely because they beat you to an NM. Not only is it impractical, its immature.

/endrant.
RE: Warning--Rant.
# May 03 2006 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
Dude using a 3rd pty on the PS2 isn't impossible, it's a hell of a lot harder to come by, install, and use, but you **COULD** do it...


I agree, probably some stupid newb reported you for getting 2 claims in a row. Honestly, I got 9 Deggi claims and 7 Domi claims w/ my friend yesterday, soooo we'll see if it happens to me.



PS. <Thank You.> To all of those who helped rid Leviathan of NM camping gil sellers (yes most of them are gone!)
UZGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
# Apr 26 2006 at 8:53 PM Rating: Default
I say these are overrated, specially if ur in seraph. gilsellers have these things at 5mill. i wouldnt pay 1mill for these. and camping; omfg. only 3 sellers that are known to be there 24/7(Jacobe, Lastmockingbird, and Inht) camp this. they obviosly use 3rd party and although they apear to play solo they party up after they cheat and get the claim. i also suspect Darkboy but he seems a lil more legit. unless u get a small army in there these things r terible to get. i call GMs explaining to em how unfair it is and how no human being can play for so long cause edventually humans need sleep to.. well i wont tell u what i said cause it was enough to overload their minds and they just gave me a goodbye and logged like the wussies they are. so until SE either 1) rids the gilsellers or 2) make these rare/ex i refuse to wear these.

and to the people who think im another ranter, go camp these and tell me how it went. :D

Edit: Darkboy is a seller to. he got rid of the other 3 but now hes got buddies there 24/7

Edited, Wed May 3 23:07:57 2006
RE: UZGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
# May 04 2006 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
Just thought i'd fill this in. If darkboy is a gil seller he sucks balls at it. Altho i'm pretty sure he has more then 1 char there. the other day i camped deggi for 1 spawn and i got the claim as a 60smn/30whm. I didnt even use dia. He popped in sight so i ran to him. Darkboy beat me there used charm but charm didn't claim. i sent carby in to attack and carby got claim. darkboy was also talking to me earlier because i had asked if deggi had spawned for the 30 mins while i went to eat dinner. and he truthfully told me no he hadnt. So. I mean maybe he does but maybe he doesn't. I dont remember the 2nd chars name i saw with him but only one of them would move at a time so i assume thats the same person logged on 2 accounts probably from same computer.
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# Apr 23 2006 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, this is an absolutely crappy change. From what I've seen so far, Mee's PHs still spawn at 5hrs7mins after death, but if Mee spawns, it can be at ANY time within that 5hr7min window.

So what does this do? It screws over any legit players that time the spawn to try to claim him over botters, making it a total crapshoot. So we have to keep running around looking/scanning the entire window. But does absolutely nothing to stop the botters from knowing exactly when he spawns. Wise, Dratiant, and Hamari still rule over Castle O. on Kujata ><
RE: ...
# Apr 29 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Default
"Botting" doesn't let someone know when something is going to pop. There's packet sniffing for that, but I haven't even seen anything that could be proven as more than keeping timers on the placeholders in the past.

It's not hard to note the time when each PH is killed so you know when to expect the next one. This makes it impossible to do it like that, and from what I've heard, it's elimintated GS from Oztroja from a lot of servers (mine included). Now, it's still possible to note the time and run around until the next PH, but it makes it difficult to know the exact moment the NM is likely to spawn. That gives 'legit players' a better chance of getting claim since they were obviously too lazy (or simply unable) to keep track of PH timers before.
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# Jun 01 2006 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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"Botting" doesn't let someone know when something is going to pop. There's packet sniffing for that, but I haven't even seen anything that could be proven as more than keeping timers on the placeholders in the past.

It's not hard to note the time when each PH is killed so you know when to expect the next one. This makes it impossible to do it like that, and from what I've heard, it's elimintated GS from Oztroja from a lot of servers (mine included). Now, it's still possible to note the time and run around until the next PH, but it makes it difficult to know the exact moment the NM is likely to spawn. That gives 'legit players' a better chance of getting claim since they were obviously too lazy (or simply unable) to keep track of PH timers before.


First off, there are no packet sniffers for ffxi. Bots can tell when and where a monster spawns. Don't correct someone if you have no idea what you are talking about....

Also, this patch definately made it harder for legit players to get the NM, because they don't have a bot that knows when and where it pops. Atleast, before you could know when it could pop. It didn't get rid of any gilsellers.
RE: ...
# Jun 24 2006 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
Goldensmoke:If a bot can tell when and where an NM is going to spawn, doesn't it *have* to be packet sniffing? I didn't know there was any other way of predicting that without directly messing with something server side. But instead of insulting me and rating me down, you could explain how exactly a bot knows when and where something is going to pop.

I've seen gilsellers mt a pop time 10 minutes in advance before in *game time*, which means they'd have to be tracking placeholder times. I've never seen a bot that worked this way before, but I guess there could be more out there that I've not heard details. On Gilgamesh, the most popular thing to see is a gilseller pos warping to the NM when it spawns, and supposedly used to DAT hack and make Mee Deggi look like Behemoth or something so it was easier to see from anywhere in the room.
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# Apr 30 2006 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, first off, isn't packet sniffing a type of botting? I consider botting any type of unfair advantage you get using a third party program. I don't know, I don't quibble over terms i have nothing to do with.

All I'm talking about is what I've seen with my own eyes: 24hr campers that are level 50MNK/THFs (so no widescan) stand in one spot, unmoving, not going after placeholders, not reacting in any way. Then, as soon as Mee spawns, they run right to him.

Then, after the last update, I witnessed the same thing at Quu's camp. 50mnk/thf, unmoving, not going after PHs. 3 or so mins after a PH dies, he shoots straight toward Quu, which was NOT visible/targetable from where he was standing. What's all THAT about then?

Thankfully, those three 24hr campers are gone, but there are two to take their place. They seem more active, but exhibit strange behavior when they claim the NMs: run to it, voke it, run to a clear area, then.... nothing. NM is beating on them, and it takes them 15-30 seconds to react and engage them.

All I know is, the only way to solve the garbage in Oztroja is to go the ra/ex route with the Kote.

Edited, Sun Apr 30 10:48:34 2006
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# Jun 24 2006 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
Botting is using third-party 'robot' software to automate things for you generally while you're away from the computer. Don't *have* to be afk for it to be botting, but that's normally how the term was used back in MUD days. Packet sniffing generally doesn't make your character do anything.

As for those people who sat there unmoving until the NM popped, they could have changed DAT files so that Mee Deggi pops with King Behemoth's model so he's visible from any place in the room. I've known a lot of players to do the same thing to help compete with gilsellers there and in other places. ._.

The biggest issue right now with gilsellers seems to be pos.exe warping. =\
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# May 02 2006 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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All I know is, the only way to solve the garbage in Oztroja is to go the ra/ex route with the Kote.


I hope they dont personally, when they did this last time, the prices doubled for the items.

However, making them available from a BCNM at same time as NM would be better IMO.
Weather based?
# Apr 19 2006 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently people there have been reports of mee spawning during weather effects now. Those who camp him a bunch try to find if this is true or not.
after update claim
# Apr 19 2006 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
well heres my story, im 0/75 on mee deggi and 4/69 on quu domi, after the update i spent about 3 hours tehre and only saw 1 mee spawn, GS were doin the usuall flee 5 hours after it was killed and look for pop, well PH was killed and then it was supposed to pop at X:51, it popped at about X:31, 20 mins b4 it was supposed to in vana diel time, i dunno if this helps anyone, but this was after teh update, also the mobs seem to be positioned wierd around the room. im gonna keep tryin to figure this one out, DOWN WITH GILSELLERS. so after update 0/1 MEE and havent seen quu pop yet.
update
# Apr 18 2006 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
Hmmmm....maybe this new update will make it easier for a nubile young 41 mnk like myself to get okote...


...or harder... *sigh*
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