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NPC sells this
# Aug 11 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
I've also found these for sale at the Tenshodo H.Q. inside Neptune's Spire in Jeuno. Amalasanda was selling them for 93 gil each at the time.

Edited, Aug 11th 2009 5:25pm by KilmasterRabbit
All the old posts on gilselling
# Jun 02 2007 at 5:11 AM Rating: Decent
This is how gilsellers are hurting everyone and jacking up the price.

In an effert to stop these gilsellers, SE had changed the loot tables so ppl get less drops. this has happened several times, and everytime it did ppl wanted to keep getting the same profit for time spent so the price goes up.
SE has done an exceptional job on getting rid of the Gilsellers thus far and I have seen these prices come dowm tremendously as an effect becuase farmers can get more of the items needed without competing with 60 other ppl. Prices are leveling out now because of SE's efforts and should say something about the gilselling vs ecomomy.
All and all if you want to make enough money in this game to buy the stuff you want try putting an effort toward it. Don't be lazy, because leveling isn't the only thing to do in this game. Thanks and I'm sorry I posted this here instead of where it was probably supposed to go.
All the old posts on gilselling
# Nov 26 2009 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
This may sound redundant. The ppl want to buy in game gil. They are willing to risk their gaming life to get it. SE spends countless resoarses in attempt to rid of "Rmt", yet they allow them to advertise on their sites. "The customer is always right" irl, so "Someone"(SE) had better get a grip and realize this **** style of oppression will bite you in the *** money wise. If there is a market, cater to it. Stop the insanity.
Provide POL based gil sales, and turn GM's into the delivery system. Seriously, its not that hard to figure out.
# Jan 31 2007 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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# Sep 20 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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lol, Im 62 WoodWorking and I HQ these out my *****
Always go in a pattern too:
One example I loves was; 33,33,33,33,66,33,66,33,66,66,66,66,66,99,99,99,33,33,33,33,33,66,33,66....
Yah The two nations were tied for the lead so I made a lot of these to sell in tool bags for 150k a stack
# Jul 29 2006 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
I feel sorry for all of you down the thread who have to pay 17-20k on a stack of these... 6k at jeuno AH on Siren... suddenly I don't feel so bad about not having any money... hehe

Btw these are the 2nd cheapest tool on siren. cheapest is tsurara at 3k/stack

Edited, Jul 29th 2006 at 6:37pm EDT by Elvaandude
Locations of Ominous Cloud
# Apr 08 2006 at 5:37 PM Rating: Excellent
97 posts
To make toolbags, find Ominous Cloud:
If Bastok is #1
Ominous Cloud Bastok Port L-8
If San d'Oria is #1
Ominous Cloud San d'Oria South H-9
If Windurst is #1
Ominous Cloud Windurst Woods H-10

Just trade him as many as seven stacks of tools at once, along with the corresponding number of winjruit.

Edited, Wed Apr 12 15:35:02 2006
RE: Locations of Ominous Cloud (he bags them)
# Apr 08 2006 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
97 posts
Pardon me, double post.

Edited, Sat Apr 8 17:33:01 2006
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 23 2006 at 8:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) DAMN WHOEVER DECIDED TO STACK BOLT HEADS/ ARROWHEADS TO 99.
RE: why stacks of 99? WHY!!
# Mar 08 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
Why don't you just level the craft that is required to make the bolt heads? Alot of people level 2-3+ crafts at the same time because eventually you'll run into a spot where you'll need a secondary craft. A good example is making some ninja tools that require cooking. Alchemy is my main craft, but I lvled cooking also. Same with WW for bast parchment. it's all about the level of commitment you are after.
RE: why stacks of 99? WHY!!
# Apr 08 2006 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
97 posts
Why don't you both post this kind of stuff under acid bolt heads, you are only cluttering up a thread about shihei...
# Feb 05 2006 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
just a note in case someone is asking, the person who bundles All ninja tools is called Ominous Cloud and he travels with the circuis. THe circuis goes to whichever nation is #1. so keep that in mind. also the person who bundles Arrows is the same thing. some mithran.

you will need a wijnruit from Mah and Pah shot in upper jeuno. for arrows u need a carnation. its one flower /stack so the max u can do is 7 stacks /7 flowers at one time

Edited, Sun Feb 5 18:34:09 2006
# Jan 18 2006 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
Just an update. On fairy server, cuttings go for 50k each and fire crystals go for around 20k a stack. a stack of these go for 17k-20k which means farming for 1 hour in rolan for cuttings got me about 12 stacks of these (I just bought the stack of bags). If you arent farming in this game then it's your fault. Games always increase with inflation as more and more money goes into the system. Blame yourself for doing quests and getting gil that way because you put more money out there for gil sellers to sell. whine all you want but your not any more inocent then they are.
# Jan 11 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
Yawn. Why is everyone arguing about the prices going up? This is really lame. The prices aren't going up on one thing. They're going up on everything.

What does this mean? This means that compared to everything else, they're still the same price. In other words, if you sell your 4 stacks of fire crystals (at 1k) to afford a 4k stack of shihei, then its the same thing as if you sell your 4 stacks of fire crystals (at 5k) to by your 20k stack of shihei. So whats the point of arguing. The prices aren't really going up. That's your perception, and its flawed.
RE: Yawn
# Jan 17 2006 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
You have to keep in retrospect not everyone farms the same way you do, nor do they have the opportunity to farm at various times. Some of us get gil more simplistically, and just because everything is going up, that doens't meant it's going up at an even scale.

Your concept seems biased towards the end of those who sell as opposed to those who have to buy. Crafting, for example, is now a massive pain in the *** with random utensils going up, and yet the product remaining the same. The silk thread crisis on Alexander is a good example of this (on a good day, you sold them for 40k, usually 32- It peaked at almost 90k with this inflation issue and hasn't gone down that far since).

No, complaining about prices isn't really going to help them go down, though it may entice people to find other means of getting what they need, which may help lower demand, thus the oversupply should go down in price to sell. But don't call us stupid because from your point of view, you can just sell some fire crystals to balance it out. Economics is alot more complicated than that.
SO ****ED UP!
# Jan 09 2006 at 10:23 PM Rating: Default
THIS IS SO ****ED UP after IGE {Lower the price?}{Down} this ****ing thing sells for 18k~20k
in ************
**** YOU WW !

Edited, Mon Jan 9 22:32:14 2006
SO ****ED UP!
# Jul 01 2006 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
this is what happens when you dont have a life
Fire Crystals
# Dec 28 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
for Fire Crystals on Fairy it is 13k per stack, just thought I'd put that in
you missed the point
# Dec 11 2005 at 3:56 AM Rating: Default
you guys seem to missunderstand.
IGE = gilsellers
gilsellers are people that sell gil, not bots, not nm campers
bots are a problem because they are not doing the work, the computer program does the work....which means they are not players
nm campers are not gilsellers, some maybe but camping nm doesn't make them a gs, however, it would be really nice if i could go camp an nm for the drop to use and not be beat by 10 people that just want to sell the drop
ABout gilsellers in general and just other players
# Nov 08 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
Ok well I read that long post about "I hate gilsellers" and wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I admit gilsellers are a nusiance, but hey, it's a game, smile, sit down, relax blah blah. If you're taking the actions of another player so damned serious then maybe YOU need to step away from the PS2/computer and get some fresh air. Now as far as AH prices go. The AH prices are sorta based on all of us, in my experience. If I got ahold of a Rabbit charm, I could walk into the AH, sell it for 1 gil, and make millions of profit. Same thing with Shihei. If someone was to start selling it for 1 gil, only about 1% of the players would know. Because everyone goes into the AH looks at price history and sets their bids/prices off that. So, here's a challenge, next time you see something that you want, try bidding 1 gil on it, then try 100, 1000, etc etc. I have done this before on some items and found soemone skirting the radar on prices and making a KILLING, all because everyone else sits there and assumes that if 20 people paid 9500 for something, that it's worth 9500. chances are someone priced it at 10gil and are about to make a 9490 profit.

Just to give everyone a quick lesson in price gouging. Hell the oil companies just did it to all of us Americans with gasoline.
ABout gilsellers in general and just other players
# Oct 07 2006 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
I love it when people complain about the oil companies. "I remember when gas was only 1$ a gallon." Yeah ok, but back then your 200k house was only worth 80k, an arcade game was only 25 cents to play, and minimum wage was 3.75$ an hour.
# Nov 01 2005 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
im lvl 69 wood and this is really pissin me off i hsould HQ a god amount like today i crafted on new mon dark and only got 1 HQ and 2 breaks on windday usally dont know moon phase i got no HQ but usally on wind and ice and dark i get aleast 1 i know i should get alot more anyone have suggestions?
# Sep 02 2005 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
you guys need to quit crying... I SPENT THE TIME to level woodworking and alchemy so guess what... i can make my own shihie for my nin and also profit off of it when im not leveling nin to buy other expensive things for other jobs.... funny how this whole crafting thing works.... almost like they put it in the game for a reason..

BTW for good amount of hq's you'll want woodworking to be 60-70ish i would assume higher is even better, but im stuck at 67 woodworking <damn demon arrowheads 120k a stack ; ;>

Edited, Fri Sep 2 07:24:12 2005
RE: hmm
# Oct 26 2005 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
So I asked a question, then let the page fully load and read the rest of the posts, one of which answered my question, which is not obsolete, and gone. Thanks for reading this, cause there's nothing more to it.

Edited, Wed Oct 26 12:14:21 2005
# Aug 28 2005 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
wat does ur woodworking skill need to be to hq=66 or hq=99

Woodworking=56 Bonecraft=8 and others
RE: craft
# Sep 18 2005 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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To get a good HQ rate you need to be 60+. You will be able to HQ some of the time starting at 40. (Before then HQ's will be rare). 80+ will get you the highest rates of HQ.
# Aug 27 2005 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
Where is the NPC do bundle these into toolbags?
RE: Toolbags
# Oct 22 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe it's the shady-looking Galka that follows Valeriano (sp?) around. He'd be in which ever town was currently in 1st place in conquest, and as I recall, he's usually leaning against a wall near the troupe.

If I remember correctly, his name is Ominous Cloud.
# Aug 19 2005 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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There is an elm log vendor in tavnazian safehold now, which has helped stabilize prices alot. You have to have beaten Diabolos to have the vendor open though. With wood60 and alch60, you will make incremental profit by making the ink and parchemnt, and have broken the 31 tier for some shehei HQs...
RE: Vendors
# Sep 10 2005 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, I have purchased elm logs before having completed Diablos. I'm assuming the only requirement you need to have is access to Tavnazian safehold.

Forgive me for correcting you.

One npc is Nilerouche at F-7 in the safehold. I forgot which one I purchased mine from, but I believe there could be more than one.
Heres a quick tip for getting shihei's cheaper
# Aug 12 2005 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
452 posts
To make Shihei's at a lower cost you will need the following
  • woodworking skill at least 45 for the Bast Parchment
  • alchemy skill at least 29 for the Bast parchment and Black Ink
  • fishing skill at least 30 for the Nebimonite
  • Bast Parchment*2 Craft them to lower your own cost
  • Black Ink craft this item also.
  • Composite rod equiped with crayfish ball
  • for the Nebimonite
  • hatchet's for elm and willow logs.
  • And lots of patience
  • You could also craft the rods and hatchets your self.

  • Check this link for good logging locations I got good results at Ghelsba Outpost.
    Shehei's are very good for making Gil I made close to 400,000 gil in a few days between me and my 7 mules posting on the auction house.

    And the Nebimonite's I fished up at a fare rate on the Selbelbina/Mhaura Ferry with Crayfish ball.
    Smiley: inlove

    Edited, Fri Aug 12 20:54:56 2005
    99 blm, 99 thf, 99 rng, 99 whm, 99 drg, 99 pld, 99 bst, 99 war, 99 nin, brd 99 , 99 rdm, 99 smn, 99 pup, 99 drk, 99 blu, 99 sam, 99 mnk, 9 cor, 61 dnc, 99 sch
    I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 23 2005 at 2:11 AM Rating: Default
    So now my NIN is lvl 12 and I got utsusemi and geuss how much these costs? 15k a stack -.- I hate u Gilsellers....
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 31 2005 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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    This has NOTHING to do with gilsellers, and everything to do with you, and your fellow players.

    You make it sound like gilsellers are out farming shihei, and jacking up the prices.

    I have never seen a gilseller camp the woodworking guild to buy the 1 or 2 elm logs in stock, and then sell them for twice their value.

    Other players do though.

    I have never seen a gilseller fish nebonites, then HQ black ink to sell.

    Other players do though.

    Face it, it's the people that farm/fish and raise the prices on the ingrediants necessary to make items. This price hike is then passed on to the end users.

    Don't like the prices? Then this is what you do. Go out and spend hundreds of thousands of gil and many many hours levelling woodworking and alchemy to 60, then farm for many many hours, and then undercut all the prices on the AH.

    Until you do that, then you have no right to complain.
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Aug 02 2005 at 8:25 AM Rating: Default
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    I have never seen a gilseller camp the woodworking guild to buy the 1 or 2 elm logs in stock, and then sell them for twice their value.

    I have... there's a few people on Bismarck that were camping the woodworking guild, making nothing but shihei, only to move to the Port Sandy delivery NPC, then back again. That doesn't mean other people aren't buying guild items for upmarking though...

    Gilsellers ARE moving into other fields of revenue, because NM camping for gil is pretty much dead.
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Aug 05 2005 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
    437 posts
    You absolutely CANNOT distinguish a normal player from a Gil Seller. Anybody could be a Gil Seller. I've seen people camp stores for days. They logout right after they buy out the item and are back the minute before shop opens again. You should not profile Gil Sellers as a separate "group" because players refers to anyone on the game. Gil Sellers are players in the game. So, neccessarily everyone causes prices to rise.

    I could put a whole paragraph on how Gil Sellers affect the game economy using my A+ in Economics, but I am tired and will use the Supply and Demand theory some other day. It's fun stuff and very useful. I suggest anyone playing this game to actually read up on Basic Economics and Psychology. It helps...ALOT.
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Aug 15 2005 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
    You should not profile Gil Sellers as a separate "group" because players refers to anyone on the game. Gil Sellers are players in the game.

    first off, gil sellers can be put into a different groups because of the fact that they raise the price so that ppl will have to buy gil from them or farm for hours and hours or try to camp NMs just to be beaten by gil sellers. second off, for you to even consider them as players is an insult >_>
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Sep 08 2005 at 6:21 PM Rating: Default
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    second off, for you to even consider them as players is an insult >_>

    This statment alone shows a lack of thought. How, by definition, are they 'NOT' a player. They dont actually play the game? False.

    Crafters that spend ALL their time crafting, and NEVER level also do these, yet some of the most rich players on each server are these type of people. These people, are players.

    The current Gusgen Mine group that are jacking up the price of Gold Ore annoy the hell out of me. But they must sit there and mine the point (bot or not) till it's no longer there. ANY player can rightfully mine over them, as many do.

    The other people that mine over them do almost the exact same thing they do, are these people not players? for reference, they are.

    While I dispise Gil-sellers, and I think the statment you made to counterattack the line was valid, To say that they are not players is blindly avoiding the facts.

    We 'wish' they weren't. But they are.

    Edited, Thu Sep 8 19:27:47 2005
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 18 2006 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
    all of the problems we face regarding gil is because of greed and ignorance in people that dont know how destructive what they do actually is.
    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 24 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Default
    574 posts
    now how is this to do with gilsellers? maybe i've got this wrong, but i'm sure it's normal players that log all the items for this and fish for it....hence the price, if the players want they can lower it.
    Tool Bag your NIN tools!
    # Jul 19 2005 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
    The NPC for bundeling your nin tools into stackable toolbags is near the same NPC that quivers arrows for you. In Sandoria it is Ominous Cloud (south sandoria just NW of the AH. I'm not sure if the city has to control a certain region or if they have to be in 1st. On my server currently sandoria is 1st and i can quiver arrows & bundle tools there so i imagine it's whoever is first.

    They are bundled by trading a wijnruit and 99 tools. These are sold by Areebah (Upper Jeuno G-6) as well as Dabih Jajaloh (Ru'Lude Gardens F-9)
    # Jun 21 2005 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
    67 posts
    All these crafters cheering that the price of shihei went up and talking about making money off it, while all the ninjas cry... I just got Utsusemi and I wanted to play my ninja (I stopped playing for a few months and shihei were around 4k then), but they're 8 to 9k a stack on Seraph and that's just ludicrous.
    RE: *sobs*
    # Jan 03 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
    16 posts
    You want to know something really messed up. I stop playing for about a year because of work and other things when I come back. Teleports are 2k-5k. Ya know I remember when they were only 500gil if that. Sometimes you would run into a free taxi. As for tools and such yes before I left you could pick up a stack of shiheis for around 3k not much profit in them and now they are 12k a stack and bundles are sitting around 150k to 200k. Good thing my crafting skills are high or I would be broke lol. Advice ummm....woodworking I know isn't cheap to lvl logs cost some serious cash after you pass lvl 40. And as for Alchemey lets just say it gives goldsmithing a run for its money. And good luck finding componates for alchemey at higher lvls. And if you magically do yeah your going to pay through the nose for it. Oh yeah....pots and eithers don't sell that well.
    RE: *sobs*
    # Jul 16 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
    This attitude toward crafters really annoys me! WHY SHOULDN'T WE MAKE MONEY?!? We spend countless hours gathering crystals, materials, etc. then more time actually skilling up the craft and when all's said and done, we're supposed to sell things without making a profit?!? No Thanks! If you're so steamed up about the cost of shihei, go out and lvl woodworking yourself.
    Shihei Price Scam
    # May 30 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
    Recently it has come to my attention that in jeunoian bazzar bot's bazzars they have shihei priced at stack prices of 4k a wandering passer by thinks ooh a stack of shihei in which they are only getting one at that price i have noticed this day by day and have made it to where that once i get my skills up i am going to have one of my 4 mules at jeuno with shihei at a better price to out sell the gil-sellers and the scammers that are wandering the streets these days. if you also notice this on your server please make a note that shihei singles are 50g-80g atleast on kujata.. thus at stack prices its a scam and a rip off

    *Kujata Guardian*
    prices insane on other severs?
    # May 23 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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    Well I see people mentioning the elm logs for the price on this, I don't know what the price of shihei was before I started nin, but when I was lvl30ish war (with a gimped sub.. lvl10...) I used to log elm logs for profit cause they were 17k each on midgardsormr
    I see people here saying it's 5-7k each
    Well on midgard it was 17k EACH for the longest time =P
    So yeah, there you have it :P
    On midgard now the price of shihei is 6-10k depending on how much you run around looking
    Elm Logs are around 8k (or at least that's what I usually get when selling it in sandy)
    bast parchments i'm not sure of price of

    As for the prices, I'm used to the price jumping up and down, it's not bugging me much as I'm rng and not nin, the prices i hate are the prices of stacks of arrow quivers...
    RE: prices insane on other severs?
    # Jun 02 2005 at 12:52 AM Rating: Default
    211 posts
    Midgarsormr has like the most inflated prices right now >.< Fire crystals going for 6k a stack in sandy AH <.< everything has shot up and it STINKS! stupid GS!
    RE: prices insane on other severs?
    # Jun 15 2005 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
    Yea I'm with Silent... A stack of Fire crystals in Bastok is 8k -.-... And the cluster was like 10k... Midgarsormr isn't a funny shopping world..
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