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Crimson Cuisses
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DEF:43 HP+25 MP+25
+20 +20 +20 +20
Movement Speed+12%

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These are nice for everyone.
# Aug 16 2007 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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For the small number of fights I actually still kite as a PLD, these legs are insanely useful. In my shell, PLDs and RDMs get a slight priority on these, but it's all point based, so if you work hard enough, it doesn't matter.

I went something like 1/16 Kirin fights where I was first to lot, and something like 5/50 fights total on droprate. Seems like it's about a 10% droprate for the W Legs Abj... :-/

I must admit though, these almost never come off unless I am straight tanking something fairly difficult, or fighting a demon type mob, or a mob with the Dragoon job.

As a unexpected side effect, I have also saved a small fortune on sneak oils. As a PLD/NIN, I can get to Fafnir with a single oil, and can get to most places in sky with no sneak oils at all. Being able to outrun almost everything and working the portals fast enough makes it possible.

Side note: Is it still possible to intimidate yourself wearing these assuming you have an item with the Dragon Killer ability? I have been told yes, but have been unable to do so with the few tests I have done...

Edited, Aug 16th 2007 11:18:02am by SeraphPDH
# Dec 29 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
RNG, DRG: nothing really lol
Rng for pulling +movement speed... Zippy comes to mind after shadowbind.
logical priority
# Nov 24 2006 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
1. PLD: HP+, MP+, Element defenses, speed up
2. DRK: HP+, MP+ [DRKs have Adaman]
3. RDM: MP+ [RDMs have Zenith]
4. RNG, DRG: nothing really lol [they have DD gears ;<.<]
drop rate
# Oct 29 2006 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
My HNMLS has fought Kirin 5 weeks in a row now, and these have not drop. But we are 3/5 on Osode. I just want to know if others are having a bad drop rate on these lately.
drop rate
# May 12 2007 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
Kirin does not drop these. It drops the Wyrmal Abjuration: Legs that can be used with Cursed Cuisses or Cursed Cuisses -1 to be made into the Crimson Cuisses or the HQ version called Blood Cuisses.
drop rate
# Apr 29 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
287 posts
...since you're into pointing out how stupid others are... it's implied, if you weren't so bent on being an ******* you'd know that. Or maybe you really are stupid enough not to have known that...? W.legs = crimson legs, not a very far stretch of the imagination to put the two together and know what he's talking about ya tard.
Cor and Blu
# Apr 18 2006 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
60 posts
Crimson can be worn by Blu and Cor now. Update when you can.
+25% Movment wootz ore
# Jan 23 2006 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent

Edited, Sun Jan 22 23:43:26 2006
PLD > RNG > everyone else
# Jan 14 2006 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
1,259 posts
That's how my HNMLS handles it. I got lucky and Kirin dropped 2 Abjurations a few weeks back, with only one PLD around to lot on the first one. These are insanely useful when fighting Deathberry and are pretty nice for Kirin also.
Confirmed Info on Speed+ Stacking
# Sep 10 2005 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
Confirmed: These Cuisses DO stack with Mazurka.

Mazurka + Flee = Flee speed only

Cuisses + Flee = Flee speed only

Basicly, the formula is this: Flee is the fastest you can go. Once you reach that "speed limit" you cannot go any faster than the speed of flee. However, gears with speed+ and mazurka DO stack because you have not broken the game's built in "speed limit."

Unfortunately, Mazurka + Crimson cuisses is NOT a good idea for tanking. As soon as you are attacked (if it makes contact, or it's a missed attack) Mazurka is cancelled. Also, as you know, Mazurka is no good "indoors."

They should have Mazurka II that works inside! ^^ Oh well, I can dream...
RE: Confirmed Info on Speed+ Stacking
# Mar 10 2006 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
516 posts
how can you be sure flee speed is the fastest you can go? someone should try "soul voice + mazurka + cuisses". once this is confirmed ill believe you. in fact im gonna get people to do that for me and repost here. must...go...faster
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2006 at 3:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You said, "Flee is the fastest you can go.".
The Flash
# Aug 18 2005 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
48 posts
I wish movement speed stacked... be RNG/THF equip this + strider boots + aketon have somebody cast Mazurka on you then use Flee. You would be almost as fast (if not more) as Cactuar Rapido lol.
the bad part
# Jul 18 2005 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
all the crimson/blood stuff is good but the only bad part about it is that it turns u into a drag.
for example sometimes if u have the crimson/blood equip and u try to cure a drag it will say "your name" is intmadited by "name of the dragoon you r trying to cure"
thats the onlu small downside to them
the bad part
# Nov 24 2006 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
It happens more often... I mean, Dragoon players, Dragoon mobs, Demon-type mobs... they all can Intimidate you... it's quite boring when exping off Imps :O
Movement + Does not stack
# Jun 01 2005 at 4:39 PM Rating: Default
Sorry to bust everyones bubble but Movement speed does NOT stack ; ; I have tested several different methods while racing others...

Flee = Speed of a Chocobo
I tested this 2 ways... once side by side race and another by auto follow someone on a choco while usin flee to see if the choco would pull away at all... Nope same exact speed

Flee & Strider = Do not stack
No change in speed at all...

Flee & (city) Aketon = Do not stack
No change in speed at all...

Flee & Strider & (city) Aketon = Do not stack
No change in speed at all...

Im not able to equip these Crimson Cuisses but i dont believe that these would be any exception to any other Movement + equip.

I have yet to try Chocobo Mazurka + Flee... but from what i hear Mazurka DOES stack with Movement + gear.
RE: Movement + Does not stack
# Sep 03 2005 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
You left out a combo that actually stacks, a friend of mine is a level 74 BRD and when he uses THF as a sub to farm he uses Flee and casts Chocobo Mazurka on himself, it's insane to watch him fly across the fields.
RE: Movement + Does not stack
# Jul 13 2005 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
40 posts
Well, if you feel like doing anymore testing, try and see how Hermes' Drink does with it. Drink effect + Flees should stack, but idk.
# May 29 2005 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
22 posts
isn't Flee like the "speed of light" in FF? meaning you can't go any faster than it? (w/ the exception of chocobo)... or in other words, wearing these and "fleeing" will not make you faster than someone who is "fleeing" w/o them.. ?
RE: speed
# Jan 13 2006 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
131 posts
Actually I believe Flee and Chocobo are the same speed. I've never actually tested this, so, I may be wrong.
RE: speed
# Aug 08 2006 at 2:20 AM Rating: Decent
i was ridinga chocobo and passed a friend of mine who happened to be athf running to jeuno. he used flee and said he was catching up to me until it wore, idk if he was BS or what, but further research might be useful.
# May 21 2005 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
625 posts
ou wear this and strider boots, omg...Flee + stiders + crimson legs O_o thats FAST @$$ RNG Right there!! think about it flee makes you fast as choco then w/ striders and legs your +24% d@mn you hit flee and your already to zone!!

Now do it in one of the cities wearing the nation's Aketon.


Or better yet, do this all as a ninja, minus the strider boots and with your AF feet on.
# May 18 2005 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
you wear this and strider boots, omg...Flee + stiders + crimson legs O_o thats FAST @$$ RNG Right there!! think about it flee makes you fast as choco then w/ striders and legs your +24% d@mn you hit flee and your already to zone!!
# Apr 20 2005 at 3:09 PM Rating: Default
122 posts
Wrong, sorry, but this armor is sublime for DRG/mage. Yes, you will loose about 15 HP per healing breath, but 25 mp goes a long way and more than makes up for it. Also, if things get out of control and you find yourself sprinting for a zoneline, 12% movement speed could mean a difference between life and death. I understand that kiters should have first dibs, and these are exceptionally good for many jobs, but... the boost this armor, the whole set even, gives DRG is unbelievable, even if you only equip at the battles beginning for buff mp.
# Mar 19 2005 at 2:17 AM Rating: Decent
778 posts
I want the whole crimson set for my drg/whm. Half for Style points(Since I'll be making my own cursed armor anyway) and half for the very nice MP boost. Doubt I would use it much if going after big mobs in a group, but I would love it for soloing around.
RE: Drg/Whm
# Mar 19 2005 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
116 posts
This is useless for DRG/mage. AF1 Pants (Wyvern HP +10%) > all else for DRG/mage. Wyvern Healing Breath is based on Wyverns TP and Wyverns HP.

Jobs that kite should have 1st call on these pants.
Ranger Priority >>
# Mar 05 2005 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default
148 posts
As far as our LS is conerned, we've fought quite a bit over who needs these the most. In the end, it is the Rangers. Red Mage it is utterly useless for if you're a good Red Mage. You should never have to run out of the way of AoE, come on >> you should be smarter than that~ Stay out of the range anyways. Paladin and Ranger are only ones it benefit of the jobs listed, all other jobs just like to show off in Jeuno. Paladin I don't think it needs it as much because....they barely ever kite. Ranger are the primary kiters vs Kirin in our group...and whoever said you need to kite Faust.. O_O
We have never kited him and yesterday we did him with 2 Ninjas, no PLD and had no problems. Risky, yes, but I don't even see the point of kiting him. The only time I'd find these to be useful for a Paladin is the King Behemoth fight, other than that, Koenig legs are better.

Oh, and no these don't stack with Strider Boots. ;;
RE: Ranger Priority >>
# Apr 14 2005 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
171 posts
heh, i wish i had these at KB so it was easier to get ahead of the tanks to toss out cures <_<
RE: Ranger Priority >>
# Apr 28 2005 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
4,324 posts
That's my arguement too, I'm slowly convincing people I think..either way it's true. When you're trying to cure people with Crimson Cuisses and Striders you need to be able to catch them.

Ideally you would be able to run in front of them to cure... However Kirin doesn't always save Astral Flow, Stonega IV and Deadly Hold for when it's "ideal."
# Jan 13 2005 at 7:58 PM Rating: Excellent
GilaVerde, PLD need this much more than RDM... and RNG's after that, IMO. It's not like PLD will use this when actually tanking things - they will just use it to kite things around (like Kirin and Faust), which is extremely helpful.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jan 14 2005 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Our linkshell don't kite too much. The last time our PLD kite was on AA GK during AAx5. We never kite Faust (who does that?), Genbu can be kite but really, how fast is that turtle?
RE: Umm.
# Mar 20 2005 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
Who kites faust? lol

A party of 5 can kite faust and kill within 12min. That's why people kite faust. Atleast thats why we do. I'll shutup if you straight tank faust with a pt of 5. :)

Why bring so many people to faust? Straight tanking faust is kinda noob to be honest. I'm sorry. If you have extra resource, send them off doing better things like scouting for other stuff or get curtanas. You're wasting yours and your LS's time.
RE: Umm.
# Feb 21 2005 at 4:09 PM Rating: Default
274 posts
Got my pants this weekend ^^.

I'm in the ninja party when fighting Kirin so I'm near ninja's and whm for refresh and gravity. I'm always chasing ninjas so in harms way.
Ninjas do their best to trade hate but its not always the case.

I'll work on the video of our LS fighting Faust without kiting. It can be done and with 6 ppl.
RE: Umm.
# Feb 21 2005 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
153 posts
RDM could benefit from these pants to move out of AOE

You shouldn't be in melee range to begin with.

if hate is lost we can run away quickly.

The last time I saw someone do this was in valkurm >_>
[i] Ho NOES!1 I pulled hate from pdl! ZONE!!!11one!

Edited, Mon Feb 21 08:37:36 2005
RE: Umm.
# May 26 2006 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
MFC wrote:
Ho NOES!1 I pulled hate from pdl! ZONE!!!11one!

That just made my afternoon. You actually typed out "one." I'm still laughing.
RE: Umm.
# Feb 21 2005 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
153 posts

Edited, Wed Apr 27 18:19:01 2005
RE: Umm.
# Mar 13 2005 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
2,071 posts
The very fact that you think that Faust needs to be kited in order to kill him shows how little you really know.

One PLD stand on teleporter pad and tanks Faust straight up. Healers use more frequent Cure II's to avoid hate and people nuke at him. Simple.
RE: Umm.
# Feb 26 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
66 posts
I didn't take a video but I did take a screenshot of the log parser information for the last Faust we fought (for obvious reasons, you'll see).


PT setup:
Bravus(me) pld75/war37
Rokar whm70/blm35
Riotz rng75/nin37
Metheny rdm75/drk37
Essifen whm69/smn34

Onimusha nin73/war36
Skooboy drg75/thf37
Hikaro sam75/nin37

I separated the bottom 3 because they didn't have much of a place in this fight. Melee dd are not really any good when you tank Faust because they end up becoming mp sponges, needing heals and not producing enough dd to justify it. Ninjas are out of the equation for obvious reasons, unless they toss shurikens I suppose. ^^b

When you tank Faust, rather than kite, you simply stand near one of those outcroppings in the teleport room so that you don't get knocked around while having the mages throw some cures at you. Everyone except the tank stands on the teleporter or otherwise far enough away from typhoon but in range for casting/ranged attack.

This was an atypical fight, going at him with 5 people. It took about 35 minutes because hate had to be managed enough so that Faust didn't run after the rng or mages, though it did happen a few times.

In my ls I/we always tank him straight up rather than kiting... though for the record I was in favor of kiting him that time... again, for obvious reasons.

Good for PLD?
# Jan 10 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
274 posts
Did Kirin over the weekend and got W. Abj legs to drop. The way our LS is set up is jobs with needs gets first lots. Our leader decided that pld should use this more then other jobs, mainly for kiting.

I'm a rdm and would like to get this instead of A. Abj legs. I personally don't think pld should use this. They're losing VIT and +Eminity for some speed.
I currently use my rdm pants during melee fights. Given that I'm a Mithra, rdm pants don't look good and the speed should go to mages. Just my opinion but like to hear what others think.

Edited, Mon Jan 10 14:57:39 2005
Good for PLD?
# Nov 24 2006 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
When I see "Genbu starts casting Waterga III" I always try to run far away from mages so if it isn't Stunned they don't get hit... when it isn't stunned it often lands, now I guess the C.Legs would let me outrun it...
IMO if I ever see a RDM in my alliance wearing this, I will run straight to him lol xD
just j/king -.^

Edit: forgot that there is Water Def +20 on it <.< that'd help on Waterga >.>

Edited, Nov 26th 2006 7:32am by Livsenjel
Do not stack
# Jan 09 2005 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
49 posts
Striders and Crimson Legs do not stack. The 12% movement speed makes your base speed 12% faster...so with flee or with chocobo mazurka song, anyone with striders or Crimson Leg will be a bit faster because their base starting point speed was 12% higher.
Even more speed.
# Oct 29 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
572 posts
I just thought of something. If you were a rng, you could wear these for +12% speed, and also the strider boots for 12% more to speed. So would that be +24% to speed? i think that its possible.
RE: Even more speed.
# Jan 07 2005 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
545 posts
can you be a speed demon??? flee + aketon + crimson cuisses + strider boots... that some major speed, you'd probably have a hard time controlling where your going
RE: Even more speed.
# Dec 16 2004 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
100 posts
Was told that effects of +% movement speed stack with the thief's flee skill.

Informed by someone wearing a Bastok Ankton using powder boots in B-town.
RE: Even more speed.
# Nov 22 2004 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
some 75s confirmed this is not possible, but yeah would be nice to have 24%.
RE: Even more speed.
# Dec 02 2004 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
Actualy...a NIN's AF3 (feet armor lvl 54) has Night: Movemnet Speed+25%
RE: Even more speed.
# Nov 18 2004 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
plus the aketons for specific kingdoms, like republic aketon for bastok...hmmmm
# Aug 15 2004 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
theres are Godly for Paladins who tank Kirin and King Behemoth or anything else that you kite. The scroll for these is dropped by the big guy Kirin himself.
RE: godly
# Sep 04 2004 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
722 posts
Hehe, they should be godly, considering you have to fight gods to get them. But Lionhart, are you sure about the Wyrmal Abjuration: Legs being dropped off of Kirin? MysteryTour lists it as only being dropped off of Fafnir and Genbu.
RE: godly
# Oct 28 2004 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
They only drop off Kirin. Mysterytour is wrong. I wish Genbu dropped W. Legs ;_;
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 25 2005 at 11:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) how bout reading b4 u post. Mysterytour doesn't list ANY W. Abjuration from Fafnir, and it's W.Abjuration:FEET off Genbu, not legs...
# Jun 01 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
well, after looking at the stats for this item i needed to clean myself off

once that was done i quickly came to the conclusion that indeed, this is one of the best items in the game for the jobs that are able to equip.

correct me if i'm wrong but these are leg slot items, not feet slot, so you could wear both strider and these if you were a rng? not that i care, as i am a rdm, never the less, i will strive to get this item one day

66 rdm
RE: hmmm
# Jun 21 2004 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
Yes you are right. If you were a ranger level 73+ to equip these bad boys and 20+ to equip striders. so if your really wanted to run "faster" i guess you could equip both but there are far better Foot armor out there for calibur of this level/player to get these Cuisses.
# Mar 22 2004 at 2:45 AM Rating: Default

Edited, Tue Feb 15 01:19:21 2005
# Apr 19 2004 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
428 posts
well, not sure where you got your info, but strider boots give 12% movement increase as well. They don't give the other huge bonuses that these boots do, but also keep in mind that the strider boots are equipable at lvl 20.

# Mar 23 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
209 posts
First thing to do is turn off your Caps Lock. ;)
Second, You won't see them at the AH going for 7 or 8 Million. This is because they are Rare/Ex. They are part of the Crimson Abjuration set (Western Abjuration). These are created by removing the curse from Cursed Cuisses, which requires getting a Wester Abjuration piece from Fafnir or Genbu. I believe I'm correct on that, but If I'm wrong please do correct me.

The Cursed Cuisses are Crafted:
Alchemy (Veteran):
- Dark Crystal
- Dragon Cuisses
- Revival Root
- Dragon Blood
Hiqh Quality Result: Cursed Cuisses -1

Removing the curse from the HQ Cursed Cuisses -1 will result in Blood Cuisses, which are the HQ version of Crimson Cuisses

Blood Cuisses: Lvl 73 RDMPLD/DRK/RNG/DRG Def 44
HP+27 MP+27 Fire+21 Lightning+21 Water+21 Dark+21 Movement Speed +12%

I've seen the Crimson Armour in game, but have never seen any of the HQ versions (the Blood Armours), so I'm not sure if the HQ is feasible, but the recipe and stats are in there. :)
# Oct 14 2004 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
104 posts
it's Wyrmal Abjuration, not Western! who ever heard of "western" armor being crafted out of dragon blood and dragon armor? but whatever, it's no big deal, it's just that for my level, i know WAAAAY too much about all the uncursed abjuration sets and i feel the need to correct every detail about them! ^^
# Jun 09 2004 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
28 posts
I would guess that in order to get the -1 Cursed Cuisses you'd need the +1 version of the Dragon Cuisses in the synth. Or maybe it's the same as just having the necessary skill/luck to get it. Only a speculation, any proof in either direction of how it really works will hold my attention.
# Mar 22 2005 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
I craft all the crimsion set on ragnarok server.First off u can not use a +1 in any synth, u must use what u know about crafting to have the best chance of producing a -1 or just get lucky like most. :)i sel the -1 body for about 4 mil legs 2-3 mil and feet 3mil
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